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Post by Novafan24 on Apr 21, 2005 23:29:58 GMT -5
1. Villanova- Nova's frontcourt is extremely underrated which is why I believe PUKONN will not know what hit them when they cannot handle Sumpter, Fraser, and Sheridan not to mention the fact that we have the best guards in the conference with Nardi, Lowry, Foye, and Aray.
2. UCONN- They will be a top 5 team next year but their freshman center is overrated and will be raw just like about every other freshman C in the country(like Hibbert this yr).
3. St. Johns - Darryl Showtime Hill along with a couple solid recruits make up the suprise team of the country in '06.
4. South Florida - THey have a solid coach and hot cheerleaders.
5. Georgetown- Mike Sweetney and the Junkyard Dog love each other and have set a date for their marriage some time during the summer. The guest list includes Ed Pickney, Kerry Kittles, and Tim Thomas.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 21, 2005 23:35:52 GMT -5
hahahahaha, interesting post ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 21, 2005 23:37:27 GMT -5
I'll turn this into a serious thread because it is an interesting question, and it is the offseason.
Here's my top 5:
1) Nova
2) UCONN
T-3) Louisville/GU
5) WVU
Also receiving consideration: SU and Cincy
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 21, 2005 23:41:33 GMT -5
1)Nova (depends on their very injury prone team)
2)Uconn
3 or 4)Georgetown
4 or 3)Louisville
5)Syracuse or Cincy
I agree with the GU/Louisville interchangeable idea. Might provide analysis later...
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 21, 2005 23:45:35 GMT -5
1)Nova 2)Uconn 3 or 4)Georgetown 4 or 3)Louisville 5)Syracuse or Cincy I agree with the GU/Louisville interchangeable idea. Might provide analysis later... Still no love for Beilein's YMCA All-Stars? |
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Post by Novafan24 on Apr 21, 2005 23:51:25 GMT -5
Louisville will flop in their first yr in the Big East, they are losing to many valuable assets on both the perimeter and inside. Cincy is losing one of their big leapers in Maxiell if believe so they may not reach the top 5. Gtown is a legit top 15 team next yr if they can earn some quality wins in the early going which is always dependent on the schedule. With that in mind they will be a 3 seed in the BE Tourney with a 3 seed in the NCAA's as well, but I dont see them being a serious contender to win the NC. The BE will have NOVA and UCONN in the Final 4 with Georgetown fallin in either the sweet 16 or elite 8 which is very respectable.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 21, 2005 23:53:13 GMT -5
Still no love for Beilein's YMCA All-Stars? Definitely not. Until they caught fire at the end of the year they were very mediocre. Also, losing Sally and Fisher will hurt a lot more than people think. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 21, 2005 23:54:47 GMT -5
I am not sold on UCONN for next season. I've read a lot of "addition by subtraction" and "Ewing Rule" kind of stuff with the loss of Charlie, and I just don't buy it completely. Additionally, AJ Price is a major question mark, so I don't like to factor him into my calculations. Nonethless, I think Calhoun is great at getting teams ready for the stretch, so I give UCONN an extra boost in my top 5.
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Post by Gtown4Life on Apr 22, 2005 8:09:33 GMT -5
Gtown is gonna be the 4 seed in the Big east tourney and be a five seed in the NCAA tourney...I wont just yet predict how far they will go in the NCAA's
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Post by YB on Apr 22, 2005 10:22:12 GMT -5
Hey Novafan- I have a question for you. I've been debating this with some other folks, that while GU and Nova are heated rivals, it's harder to hate each other bc we're not among the trecherous football group. Thoughts?
My top 5:
Villanova: You return everyone, you get this spot.
Yukon/GU: Whichever jells quicker.
Yukon/GU: whichever has worse luck.
This group will be a jumble:
WVU
L'Ville
SU
Cinci
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 22, 2005 12:37:33 GMT -5
I can't believe everybody seems to be picking the Hoyas that high for next year. To me a .500 BE season is a reasonable expectation considering the uncertainty on Bowman, the strong possibility that Owens will be gone, the lack of backcourt and rebounding strength and the addition of some strong new members to the BE. I believe we will be better if Bowman returns because one more year of experience will be behind the guys and we should be deeper, but 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the New BE, that's a little hard to imagine.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 22, 2005 12:45:05 GMT -5
I can't believe everybody seems to be picking the Hoyas that high for next year. To me a .500 BE season is a reasonable expectation considering the uncertainty on Bowman, the strong possibility that Owens will be gone, the lack of backcourt and rebounding strength and the addition of some strong new members to the BE. I believe we will be better if Bowman returns because one more year of experience will be behind the guys and we should be deeper, but 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the New BE, that's a little hard to imagine. Given what we know about the other teams and who is leaving, what would your top 5 be? Remember, we were .500 in the BE this season without getting much from DJ in the regular season. We add 4 guys who can play right away, and, at worst, lose DJ. Looking at the rest of the old BE... 1) UCONN - Lose CV, Kellogg. Add in good recruiting class. 2) SU - Lose three starters, including Warrick, Pace, Forth. Possible roster attrition with transfers and Edelin. Key PG recruit may be ineligible. Decent recruiting class otherwise, but not a world maker. 3) Nova- They are going to be wicked. 4) Pitt - Lose Trautman and Taft, possibly Krauser. Good recruits coming in, on par with GU's. 5) ND - Lose Thomas, Francis, and Latimore. They have decent recruits coming in, but they lose a lot. 6) WVU - See 007's points. I still say they do very well next year. The others are irrelevant, except SJU, who I see as a wild card. If you look at NBE schools, Marquette and DePaul are in trouble. South Florida will be lucky to win 25% of their conference games. Louisville is what it is, and I know less about Cincy. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 22, 2005 12:45:20 GMT -5
I agree with easyed. I expect us to be better (assuming Bowman returns), and I anticipate that the freshmen will be improved and that the new frosh will contribute, but still, this team has holes, and picking us third is way too optimistic (but thanks anyway, novafan ;D). If we come in 5/6, we will get an NCAA bid and should be very happy.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 22, 2005 12:49:46 GMT -5
I can't believe everybody seems to be picking the Hoyas that high for next year. To me a .500 BE season is a reasonable expectation considering the uncertainty on Bowman, the strong possibility that Owens will be gone, the lack of backcourt and rebounding strength and the addition of some strong new members to the BE. I believe we will be better if Bowman returns because one more year of experience will be behind the guys and we should be deeper, but 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the New BE, that's a little hard to imagine. I'm with Easyed. Maybe it is just the last few years talking, but I'm not completely sold on the resurgence yet. I feel like last year was the first year Georgetown actually overperformed since I started following them. I'm just kinda expecting a "sophomore slump" for III. I know there are good and logical reasons for us to get better (maybe losing 1 player, Jeff and the other freshmen's improvement, 'nother year in the system), but is it enough to get over the hump? Will anyone regress? Are teams like St. John's improving faster than us? |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 22, 2005 12:50:56 GMT -5
I dont know that its overly optimistic. I tend to think that Green and Bowman should be two of the top 10 players in the Big East next year(just at first thought without looking over every roster).
A bunch of teams lose some major pieces, especially Cuse and Pitt. I think anyone in the top 7 can fight for the title next year.
4th place in the Big East isn't overly optimitsic to me and I woudnt say that 3rd is out of the question, we just need things to go right for us.
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Post by LetsGoNova on Apr 22, 2005 13:16:20 GMT -5
From an outsider's perspective, I'd say you guys are right to be optimistic, assuming Bowman returns. There have been a lot of threads of this nature on various BE boards, and I have been pushing you guys. Not many buying thus far because of your late season swoon, but I see that as part of being a young team, not an indictment of your talent.
My top 5 entering next season would be:
1) Villanova - homer pick, but I really like our chances as we always play UConn well for whatever reason.
2) UConn - returns a very solid team, adds Bynum at center and AJ Price hopefully returning to add depth at guard. They'll be dominant in February and March when it matters.
3) Louisville - loses three important pieces of the Final Four team, but return some very good players and add perhaps the best recruiting class in the nation.
4) G'town - you guys know who you are.
5) Syracuse - they lose a lot in Warrick, Pace and Forth, but they have a couple very good frosh and G-mac can carry them in a lot of games.
After that, it's a free-for-all, IMO. WVU loses their two most athletic defenders, and they were mediocre last year before getting hot at the right time. I can't see them sustaining that for an entire season. Cincy will be good, but someone has to step-up to be the scorer. Notre Dame loses Thomas and could lose Francis and Latimore to the draft.
Pitt loses too much, as do DePaul and Marquette. Rutgers could surprise people and move into the top 9, as could SJU.
SHU, USF, Prov all watch the BET from home, along with either SJU, Rutgers or DePaul.
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Post by YB on Apr 22, 2005 13:34:18 GMT -5
Keep in mind fellas- if we had any depth THIS YEAR, we'd have been 11-5 (mitigating the late slide), and were 8-3 at one point this year. We have a ton of returnees and a good classs from whom we only need depth. If we don't finish in the top 4 of the conference this year, I'd be shocked.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 22, 2005 16:08:55 GMT -5
It don't know who the top 5 will be but I expect the regular season league leader to have 5 or 6 losses. More important is going to be who is 7,8 9 and 10 and how many tickets to the dance the ncaa is willing to give to one league.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 22, 2005 20:34:25 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 24, 2005 14:49:03 GMT -5
My two cents. This is assuming a Bowman return.
1. Villanova: Everyone back, great talent, good coach
2. UCONN: Loads of talent returns, HOF coach. Boone will have a breakout year with Charlie gone, and it doesn't get much better than Williams at the point.
3. Louisville: A lot of people leaving, but some nice players return for Pitino to coach up.
4. Cincinnati: Maxiell is the only player leaving, but he's not the whole team. Cincy will beat a lot of teams that aren't used to their style of play.
5. GEORGETOWN: I hesitated to put us in the top 5, because something tells me we're going to have to fight to get here. Our competition for this spot, in my mind, is WVU, Notre Dame, and Syracuse. I thought we were a better team than WVU last year, and we bring everyone back while they lose Salley. Notre Dame returns Falls and Quinn to shoot the three, but they're empty in the post. Syracuse returns McNamara to run the offense, but how effective are they going to be with no Hakim Warrick for him to pass to? Boeheim's a good coach, but not a miracle worker. The zone will have to be at its best for them to make noise next season.
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