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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2015 17:41:52 GMT -5
I think folks are selling him short, he's more than just a 3pt shooter.. He shot 53 of 86 from inside the arc during EYBL play & he grabbed 4 boards per game also..
Here's a write up from Scout's Rob Harrington..
Powell is a good shooter who also handles well for the wing and is a fine passer on the move. Albeit not a great run/jump athlete, he's a confident player who has challenged himself against the nation's toughest competition.
Reputed to be a sharpshooter heading into the week, Myles Powell didn’t disappoint at the recent NBPA Camp. The guard certainly possesses ample three-point range, yet he’s also a better ballhandler than generally given credit and has expanded his offense during the past year. He’ll draw widespread evaluations from college coaches this month.
This from Brian Snow who watched him at the Nike Global Challenge..
The numbers certainly spoke for themselves. Powell had 30 points on 11-18 shooting overall and 6-9 from three. Not only did Powell take and make open shots, but he was able to make contested shots as well.
Though Powell is undersized, he is effective. He is extremely crafty at being able to get his shot off, and is excellent at using his dribble to create space. He did that all week long, and punctuated it on Saturday.
One of his 30 pt games came against a team that had DeAaron Fox(top 10 in the class), Alterique Gilbert(verbal to Uconn) & Trent Forrest(verbal to Fla. St)..
It must be noted also that his Global team had Curtis Jones, Matt Coleman, VJ King, DJ Harvey, Ty Jerome ect.. He outplayed them all..
Here's a clip from the NBPA camp that he was a late invite to.. He shot 47% from 3 at the camp and as you can see he's getting his looks in every way possible..
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Post by kchoya on Aug 4, 2015 18:20:01 GMT -5
OK so, kid from Jersey is: - Undersized for his position
- Not an explosive athlete
- Not a good defender
- Not particularly skilled in any other facet
- But boy can he shoot it!
He sounds like a guard equivalent of Reggie Cameron. Maybe I am a little burned by the last couple of kids we landed who were "among the best 3 point shooters in the country" and "virtually automatic" coming to Georgetown, but I'm a little hesitant about kids with this profile. It's of course true that Powell is a completely different person than Domingo and Cameron and there's not any reason to think his shooting ability would vanish the way theirs did. But it's certainly a risk putting all of your eggs in one basket and assuming that that single skill will translate at the next level, isn't it? I personally prefer a kid like Brown or Mosley. Give me a kid who has excellent athleticism and measurables and I'll work on his jump shot over the course of four years in the program. If it turns out that he doesn't have the aptitude to be a shooter, at least he always has his athleticism and he can contribute defensively and by taking the ball to the basket. If you get a guy whose only real skill is that he can shoot and it turns out he can't make it work at the college level, then he's just a total non-factor who is a DNP most nights. Best case scenario IMO is to pair an athletic, high ceiling type (like Mosley or Brown) with a kid who can fill it up but also has some athleticism (like Jones). But I'm not too keen on a guy whose entire game is predicated on being a shooter and who is a minus in just about every other area. Again...all of this could have been said about DSR. Unlike Cameron, what I like about this kid is that he is good with the ball in his hands, can catch and shoot and if a crafty scorer. He can put the ball in he bucket. Reggie was a catch a shoot kid with good height....but that's about it. Wait. Is Reggie undersized or does he have good height?
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 4, 2015 21:28:51 GMT -5
Wait. Is Reggie undersized or does he have good height? Undersized if you think he's a stretch 4. Good size if you think he's a small forward, which is what his game lends itself to, but he's painfully slow to match up with small forwards. He's a tweener who's way too slow for the 3 and not big or physical enough to play 4. That's really his problem--but that's all for another thread. Watching the Powell video, I can see the comparisons to DSR on body type a bit, but not so much on his game. DSR coming out of high school was a pretty well-rounded guard (no pun intended) who was regarded for his ability to get to the basket and to drive and make things happen for his teammates in addition to being a pretty good shooter. More of a powerful build, and used his body to his advantage. Not so much with Powell (at least not in the clips I saw). He just doesn't show much athleticism and doesn't have an athletic body type. Also a good bit shorter than DSR. Myles Davis seems like a pretty decent comparison. Could Powell be that? Seems very possible. But for me that just doesn't seem like a first choice. Not to diminish Davis who is a good player or Powell who may become one too, but there are unathletic guys who are small for the 2 spot but who have great strokes on seemingly every mid-major team in the country every year. Sometimes they even get hot in March and take down a high seed. But players like that are relatively commonplace. Guys who are 5'11 or 6'0 but who can consistently knock it down from deep are not all that uncommon in this country. Again, not to say Powell isn't a cut above your run-of-the-mill mid-major gunner. But that skillset just isn't that rare of a commodity, and in the end more often than not it loses out to the elite athlete who can also shoot a bit too. The teams that are winning national championships aren't generally doing it on the backs of 5'11 shooting guards who can't do anything but shoot. Maybe they have a guy like that stashed on their bench somewhere, but he's not a crucial piece. I'm not generally one to disparage prospective recruits, and I guess I don't have any real issue with him being in the mix somewhere. I just think he'd be way down the list for me relative to a lot of other guys out there, including teammate Mosley who seems getable if you look at his offer list. Powell just seems like a bit of a step backwards to me, to a few classes back when for whatever reason we were very fixated on guys who had reputations for being elite shooters but who didn't have much else in their portfolio. When we moved back to recruiting guys who were long and athletic for their position but who also had some shooting ability too, like the 2014 and 2015 classes, I think the team started heading in the right direction again. I hate to fall back to our old ways, because again you can take an elite athlete and build him up as a shooter but you can't generally take a shooter and build him into an elite athlete.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 4, 2015 22:36:50 GMT -5
Wait. Is Reggie undersized or does he have good height? Undersized if you think he's a stretch 4. Good size if you think he's a small forward, which is what his game lends itself to, but he's painfully slow to match up with small forwards. He's a tweener who's way too slow for the 3 and not big or physical enough to play 4. That's really his problem--but that's all for another thread. Watching the Powell video, I can see the comparisons to DSR on body type a bit, but not so much on his game. DSR coming out of high school was a pretty well-rounded guard (no pun intended) who was regarded for his ability to get to the basket and to drive and make things happen for his teammates in addition to being a pretty good shooter. More of a powerful build, and used his body to his advantage. Not so much with Powell (at least not in the clips I saw). He just doesn't show much athleticism and doesn't have an athletic body type. Also a good bit shorter than DSR.Myles Davis seems like a pretty decent comparison. Could Powell be that? Seems very possible. But for me that just doesn't seem like a first choice. Not to diminish Davis who is a good player or Powell who may become one too, but there are unathletic guys who are small for the 2 spot but who have great strokes on seemingly every mid-major team in the country every year. Sometimes they even get hot in March and take down a high seed. But players like that are relatively commonplace. Guys who are 5'11 or 6'0 but who can consistently knock it down from deep are not all that uncommon in this country. Again, not to say Powell isn't a cut above your run-of-the-mill mid-major gunner. But that skillset just isn't that rare of a commodity, and in the end more often than not it loses out to the elite athlete who can also shoot a bit too. The teams that are winning national championships aren't generally doing it on the backs of 5'11 shooting guards who can't do anything but shoot. Maybe they have a guy like that stashed on their bench somewhere, but he's not a crucial piece. I'm not generally one to disparage prospective recruits, and I guess I don't have any real issue with him being in the mix somewhere. I just think he'd be way down the list for me relative to a lot of other guys out there, including teammate Mosley who seems getable if you look at his offer list. Powell just seems like a bit of a step backwards to me, to a few classes back when for whatever reason we were very fixated on guys who had reputations for being elite shooters but who didn't have much else in their portfolio. When we moved back to recruiting guys who were long and athletic for their position but who also had some shooting ability too, like the 2014 and 2015 classes, I think the team started heading in the right direction again. I hate to fall back to our old ways, because again you can take an elite athlete and build him up as a shooter but you can't generally take a shooter and build him into an elite athlete. He's like a mini DSR but that's not a good thing because DSR's size (mass and height) (which is above average for a college point and good for a college shooting guard) allows him to be an elite rebounder at his position and overpower defenders to get into the paint to compensate for his lack of athleticism.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 5, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -5
I think folks are selling him short, he's more than just a 3pt shooter.. He shot 53 of 86 from inside the arc during EYBL play & he grabbed 4 boards per game also.. Here's a write up from Scout's Rob Harrington.. Powell is a good shooter who also handles well for the wing and is a fine passer on the move. Albeit not a great run/jump athlete, he's a confident player who has challenged himself against the nation's toughest competition.Reputed to be a sharpshooter heading into the week, Myles Powell didn’t disappoint at the recent NBPA Camp. The guard certainly possesses ample three-point range, yet he’s also a better ballhandler than generally given credit and has expanded his offense during the past year. He’ll draw widespread evaluations from college coaches this month.
This from Brian Snow who watched him at the Nike Global Challenge.. The numbers certainly spoke for themselves. Powell had 30 points on 11-18 shooting overall and 6-9 from three. Not only did Powell take and make open shots, but he was able to make contested shots as well.
Though Powell is undersized, he is effective. He is extremely crafty at being able to get his shot off, and is excellent at using his dribble to create space. He did that all week long, and punctuated it on Saturday.One of his 30 pt games came against a team that had DeAaron Fox(top 10 in the class), Alterique Gilbert(verbal to Uconn) & Trent Forrest(verbal to Fla. St).. It must be noted also that his Global team had Curtis Jones, Matt Coleman, VJ King, DJ Harvey, Ty Jerome ect.. He outplayed them all.. Here's a clip from the NBPA camp that he was a late invite to.. He shot 47% from 3 at the camp and as you can see he's getting his looks in every way possible.. I stand corrected, DeAaron Fox didn't play in the Nike Global Challenge.. Malik Monk, the top rated SG in the 2016 class was on the team that Powell played against.. Powell scored 24 in that game not 30.. He was 9-16 from the field(2-6 from 3) 4-5 from the line to go along with 4assists, 4 boards & 0 TO's in 23 minutes..
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Post by sleepy on Aug 5, 2015 10:55:56 GMT -5
Sometimes I just don't get it. This kid is clearly a flat out scorer an outstanding handle with the ability to create on his own. Something we are lacking in. For the old timers here he reminds me of a slightly more toned John Bagley. Can he defend? don't know never seen him outside of tape. Not sure John Wallace would fit into the defensive role either. Just because you have length speed and athleticsm does not make you even an adequate defender, We have had quite a few of those over the last 3 or 4 years who played and contributed but could not defend. DSR gets to the basket not with his body but with the crafty ability in side the lane, this kid appears to have that same type of scorers mind set.
Im pretty sure we are looking to bring in at least 2 guards i'd take this kid in a minute ,not sure the mix of him and Bracey would be ideal.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 5, 2015 15:28:05 GMT -5
I am confident that if we were recruiting Jon Wallace now (not knowing how it turned out, but rather looking at him as a high school recruit), many people on here would never want us to take him.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 9, 2015 18:36:56 GMT -5
Powell played well in the Big Strick game yesterday, scored 26 pts & had a number of 3's.. The game was a joke in that the final score was something like 151-142 but he did play well again & was recognized for his efforts..
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 11, 2015 18:51:18 GMT -5
You have to take this clip with a big gulp of salt, And1 types games are hot garbage imo.. I posted it to show that this kid get results regardless of what type of setting it is..
You'd think a player with his limitations would struggle in these run & gun type games but he shined again just like he's done in HS, EYBL, NBPA Top 100 camp, Nike Global Challenge ect..
He doesn't look the part at all but he makes it happen when he's on the court..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 11, 2015 23:54:14 GMT -5
Etomic I've been on the fence about this kid and what he could possibly do in the Hoyas uniform. The kid has got a hell of stroke. His range extends to the parking lot. He is also more then a specialist because he has a handle and can create separation. He has a very quick release and form is textbook. He plays with supreme confidence. He really is a mini DSR almost every way. When DSR was in high school he had a similar build to Myles Powell. It wasn't until the summer between his freshman and sophomore year that DSR worked his ass off and changed his body getting rid of the baby fat and adding muscle and tone. Myles Powell could do the same if he has the same desire and dedication. If he was 6'3" like DSR he probably be a top priority for the staff but his limitation of 6'0" and slow lateral quickness really are his questions. At that height he has to play the 1. There's no way you can play him at the 2. Can he create off the dribble for teammates? Can he create his own shot? He could develop all those things in college. I'm so on the fence with this kid. He is a combination of DSR and Khalid El-Amin and both of them have excelled in college. All that to say, I think he be a good get depending on the pieces around him andirons he puts in DSR type work.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 12, 2015 7:54:04 GMT -5
OK so, kid from Jersey is: - Undersized for his position
- Not an explosive athlete
- Not a good defender
- Not particularly skilled in any other facet
- But boy can he shoot it!
He sounds like a guard equivalent of Reggie Cameron. Maybe I am a little burned by the last couple of kids we landed who were "among the best 3 point shooters in the country" and "virtually automatic" coming to Georgetown, but I'm a little hesitant about kids with this profile. It's of course true that Powell is a completely different person than Domingo and Cameron and there's not any reason to think his shooting ability would vanish the way theirs did. But it's certainly a risk putting all of your eggs in one basket and assuming that that single skill will translate at the next level, isn't it? I personally prefer a kid like Brown or Mosley. Give me a kid who has excellent athleticism and measurables and I'll work on his jump shot over the course of four years in the program. If it turns out that he doesn't have the aptitude to be a shooter, at least he always has his athleticism and he can contribute defensively and by taking the ball to the basket. If you get a guy whose only real skill is that he can shoot and it turns out he can't make it work at the college level, then he's just a total non-factor who is a DNP most nights. Best case scenario IMO is to pair an athletic, high ceiling type (like Mosley or Brown) with a kid who can fill it up but also has some athleticism (like Jones). But I'm not too keen on a guy whose entire game is predicated on being a shooter and who is a minus in just about every other area. I agree I prefer some of the other prospects were on better but this kid is no parts Reggie or Domingo. Interest here is 100% based on his production not potential, he is a straight bucket getter. Shot 37% in Eybl play from 3 averaged 19+.. Averaged 20ppg and Nike Global challenge against the best of the best, had 2 30pt games. He's more Myles Davis (Xavier) than Cam to be fair. Beat me to it. Just from the write up he sounds like a Myles Davis that just flips the "on" switch a little more often.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 13, 2015 10:07:29 GMT -5
ontheradarhoops.com/otrhoopsreport-under-the-radar-guards-august-11-2015/Myles Powell (Trenton, N.J.), New Jersey Playaz – 2016 When speaking exclusively about shooters, it is hard to find many guards that filled up more than Powell did this year. He blazed the nets for the Playaz to the tune of 18.1 points per game on the circuit. That average ranked him tenth overall in the league. He did that while leading the EYBL in 3-pointers made and shooting a solid 39% from beyond the arc. Although he may lack the ideal size for a wing shooter at 6-1, one cannot argue his production. Powell followed up his impressive circuit season with an equally productive outing at the NBPA Top 100 Camp where he finished in the top ten in scoring and again led in 3-point field goals made. As we have seen shooting percentages dip at the collegiate level in recent years, Powell’s value should be at max value for college programs. Per Adam Zagoria of the Zagsblog.com, Powell recently trimmed his list of schools to eight. Those schools are Georgetown, UConn, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, VCU, St. Joe’s, Seton Hall and DePaul.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 13, 2015 10:28:56 GMT -5
I am confident that if we were recruiting Jon Wallace now (not knowing how it turned out, but rather looking at him as a high school recruit), many people on here would never want us to take him. Would people really get that worked up about a walk on? I'd bet a lot of people on here would be happy to take Myles Powell as a walk on.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 13, 2015 13:13:18 GMT -5
Powell would be a great addition to the Hoyas IMO. He seems to be a shooter who can really score a ton.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 13, 2015 13:42:05 GMT -5
I don't get it. We have had and still have athletic guards with good speed size who couldn't guard period. Not sure defense in the backcourt has ever been much of a priorty.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 13, 2015 13:49:32 GMT -5
I am confident that if we were recruiting Jon Wallace now (not knowing how it turned out, but rather looking at him as a high school recruit), many people on here would never want us to take him. Would people really get that worked up about a walk on? I'd bet a lot of people on here would be happy to take Myles Powell as a walk on. My comment was clearly aimed at recruiting someone like Jon Wallace for a scholarship slot. I realize technically Wallace was a walk-on at first, but I think that was more a result of John Thompson III having recently become the coach and Wallace's relatively late move toward Georgetown. But, you're basically proving my point - if JTIII was recruiting a "walk-on" quality player to actually play big minutes who resembled a high-school level Wallace, people on here would freak out. Hell, they freak out about a PG who is under 6'0!
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Post by Talos on Aug 13, 2015 17:41:57 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of using our other guard schollie on Powell. Yes, he's a great shooter, and yes he's been able to score in many ways in different environments. My concern is being smaller and less athletic than most of his opponents at the next level will not only make it tougher to score, but very difficult for him to defend. Our roster next year and moving forward has lots of skilled offensive players but really needs more great athletes who can defend.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 13, 2015 20:17:46 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of using our other guard schollie on Powell. Yes, he's a great shooter, and yes he's been able to score in many ways in different environments. My concern is being smaller and less athletic than most of his opponents at the next level will not only make it tougher to score, but very difficult for him to defend. Our roster next year and moving forward has lots of skilled offensive players but really needs more great athletes who can defend. This is fair.. It could be my bad memory but I don't remember defense being the thing that has held G'town back over the last few seasons.. Campbell, Peak, White, Johnson & Mosely are plenty athletic in my eyes.. My question would be who are the volume shooters in that group? That being said, as much as I like Powell I wouldn't put him in front of or on equal terms with Brown or Jones, they should be given the staff's full attention.. But if they go elsewhere I hope the staff starts blowing up Powell's phone if he's still available..
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 15, 2015 12:17:14 GMT -5
www.theintentionalfoul.com/2015/06/nbpa-top-100-friday-afternoon.html?m=1Myles Powell, 6’1”, G, South Kent (CT), 2016The Jersey guard looks more like a fullback, but he’s also been one of the most productive scorers at the Top 100 camp. He does not do one thing exceptionally well, but he does a lot of things very well. Powell knows how to create space for jump shots and when to attack the rim. Fresh off a 21 point outing, Powell didn’t suffer a letdown on Thursday and continued to score at an impressive clip.Furture 150 site has some older write ups from last season on Powell, they're just more of the same to be honest.. The kid is just ridiculously consistent.. future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/myles-powell-sg-2016
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 20, 2015 10:12:11 GMT -5
thesportsquotient.com/ncaa-bb/2015/8/19/class-of-2016-players-to-watch-part-4One player who has been making noise lately is Myles Powell, a 6-0 guard from New Jersey. Myles may be undersized for his position, but that shouldn’t take away from the fact that he has a great scoring ability. I had the chance to see Powell play at the Big Strick Classic at Gauchos Gym on August 8th. Powell made a name for himself going off for 28 points against the top players in the nation. During that same weekend Powell won MVP honors at the Alimoe day upperclassmen game in Harlem. UConn, Georgetown, Depaul, Georgia Tech, and Pittsburgh are just a few schools that have given him offers.
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