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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 12, 2015 6:55:49 GMT -5
A lot of worry has been spent on our guard depth this year. I'm here to say I think it's a bit overblown. I've been beating the drum for Riyan Williams for awhile now and proved again in Kenner he can play. He's significantly better offensively than Caprio ever was. I'm a little peeved that coach hasn't found a way to get him some minutes just for experience but that's nothing new.
The surprise to me was Kaleb Johnson. He has a guard like handle. Not saying he's a 1 but he's as good as many 2's. Very encouraging. Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's s good idea to have Riyan and Kaleb bring the ball up all day long against a Pitino press. But realistically that shouldn't happen.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 12, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5
A lot of worry has been spent on our guard depth this year. I'm here to say I think it's a bit overblown. I've been beating the drum for Riyan Williams for awhile now and proved again in Kenner he can play. He's significantly better offensively than Caprio ever was. I'm a little peeved that coach hasn't found a way to get him some minutes just for experience but that's nothing new. The surprise to me was Kaleb Johnson. He has a guard like handle. Not saying he's a 1 but he's as good as many 2's. Very encouraging. Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's s good idea to have Riyan and Kaleb bring the ball up all day long against a Pitino press. But realistically that shouldn't happen. Who was Riyan going to take minutes from last year? You realize Kenner play is not indicative of future success?
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 12, 2015 7:42:46 GMT -5
A lot of worry has been spent on our guard depth this year. I'm here to say I think it's a bit overblown. I've been beating the drum for Riyan Williams for awhile now and proved again in Kenner he can play. He's significantly better offensively than Caprio ever was. I'm a little peeved that coach hasn't found a way to get him some minutes just for experience but that's nothing new. The surprise to me was Kaleb Johnson. He has a guard like handle. Not saying he's a 1 but he's as good as many 2's. Very encouraging. Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's s good idea to have Riyan and Kaleb bring the ball up all day long against a Pitino press. But realistically that shouldn't happen. Who was Riyan going to take minutes from last year? You realize Kenner play is not indicative of future success? I'm with KC on this one. He's only on the team because of his last name. A year or two ago you walk into Yates and he's not even the best player on the court.... All he has on Caprio is quickness, maybe handle. Caprio might've been better at literally everything else. He took 14 shots to get 11 points yesterday......let's not act like he's AI all of a sudden because his strength is his first step.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 12, 2015 11:31:52 GMT -5
People like to say that Kenner has no bearing on future success but in my experience it's been pretty indicative if you watch the actual play and not rely on stats which can be empty depending on the game. Williams is a much better scorer, shooter and dribbler than Caprio. Not even close. Regardless I didn't necessarily want Riyan to take real minutes last year. Just get in earlier in junk time. Allen should never have gone in before him either. Not a big criticism though. I thought JT3 did a great job and probably his best job at rotating players last year.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 12, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -5
Btw, I'd be curious to hear thoughts on people you thinked looked good in Kenner that didn't carry over to the regular season. Domingo looked pretty bad in Kenner. Sims looked bad in Kenner until summer before senior year, Hayes had looked bad before this year, etc. The truth is that Kenner is basketball even if it's disorganized and you absolutely can tell about a player from watching it just like you can from AAU if you are actually watching how they play.
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 12, 2015 12:45:00 GMT -5
I haven't spent any time watching Kenner, but my experience has been that a sophisticated eye can make some reasonable speculations based on watching these types of scrimmages.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jul 12, 2015 14:25:35 GMT -5
Who was Riyan going to take minutes from last year? You realize Kenner play is not indicative of future success? I'm with KC on this one. He's only on the team because of his last name. A year or two ago you walk into Yayes and he's not even the best player.... All he has on Caprio is quickness, maybe handle. Caprio might've been better at literally everything else. Plus Caprio was at least good in high school. Williams wasn't even the best player on a TERRIBLE team in high school.
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 12, 2015 14:36:00 GMT -5
Sometimes players improve.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 12, 2015 14:47:26 GMT -5
I have watched Kenner several times over the past decade and with the exception of this year have managed to make it to at least one day of games each year while attending an annual conference. My experience is that Kenner is less relevant as a factor for bigs than for guards. That is because there are often major height discrepancies, particularly at the 4-5 positions. I also think that the absence of defense in many of the games leads to inflated point totals which can skew anticipation of in-season production. So while I do not discount Kenner games completely, I tend to view them with some skepticism. It is really important to take it game by game and consider matchups.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 12, 2015 15:55:36 GMT -5
I have watched Kenner several times over the past decade and with the exception of this year have managed to make it to at least one day of games each year while attending an annual conference. My experience is that Kenner is less relevant as a factor for bigs than for guards. That is because there are often major height discrepancies, particularly at the 4-5 positions. I also think that the absence of defense in many of the games leads to inflated point totals which can skew anticipation of in-season production. So while I do not discount Kenner games completely, I tend to view them with some skepticism. It is really important to take it game by game and consider matchups. Good points. Except for AI, Kenner, at best is a treat for the few scant fans and a way to build confidence on the part of the players.
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Post by JB5 on Jul 12, 2015 17:21:39 GMT -5
We all know Kenner and the regular season are very different things. That noted, Riyan looks like he has improved. He may not be another DSR or Chris Wright, but he does look like he could play some minutes here and there and maybe help the team. Johnson also has a decent handle and will be able to help. He may not get big minutes as a frosh, but he can contribute at some point. LJ has also been working on the guard skills especially his outside shot. I agree with Daymond on this; our guard depth is looking better than many feared.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 12, 2015 22:42:25 GMT -5
I said after seeing Riyan early last year that he should get some minutes; I got laughed at. Just like Sims, Hayes, and Bowen... But on this team, Riyan probably won't get a lot of minutes. All of a sudden, the guard position ain't too shabby.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 12, 2015 23:58:30 GMT -5
I said after seeing Riyan early last year that he should get some minutes; I got laughed at. Just like Sims, Hayes, and Bowen... But on this team, Riyan probably won't get a lot of minutes. All of a sudden, the guard position ain't too shabby. Welcome to the club. That's what happens when you suggest novel ideas on this board. Granted, I have not seen Riyan play, but, I'll tell you what, I am all for looking within to shore up our guard situation.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 13, 2015 0:01:58 GMT -5
I have watched Kenner several times over the past decade and with the exception of this year have managed to make it to at least one day of games each year while attending an annual conference. My experience is that Kenner is less relevant as a factor for bigs than for guards. That is because there are often major height discrepancies, particularly at the 4-5 positions. I also think that the absence of defense in many of the games leads to inflated point totals which can skew anticipation of in-season production. So while I do not discount Kenner games completely, I tend to view them with some skepticism. It is really important to take it game by game and consider matchups. Good points. Except for AI, Kenner, at best is a treat for the few scant fans and a way to build confidence on the part of the players. Francis and Perry say hello.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 13, 2015 7:50:02 GMT -5
I said after seeing Riyan early last year that he should get some minutes; I got laughed at. Just like Sims, Hayes, and Bowen... But on this team, Riyan probably won't get a lot of minutes. All of a sudden, the guard position ain't too shabby. Excellent point. Just because we are saying Riyan can play doesn't mean he should play on this team just because of its depth. This is definitely the deepest squad JT3 has ever had. Every single scholarship player and arguably one walk on can play. As much as I like Riyan, I'd prefer we have no injuries or significant foul trouble and he never even needs to play ?
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Post by TC on Jul 13, 2015 8:52:08 GMT -5
If Kenner were indicative of play, Lonnie Baxter would be first team All-NBA.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 13, 2015 12:28:27 GMT -5
If Kenner were indicative of play, Lonnie Baxter would be first team All-NBA. If Kenner were indicative of play, Curt Smith would be a multi-millionaire.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 13, 2015 13:12:18 GMT -5
Curt Smith had the skills to be a multi-millionaire. Sometimes life gets in the way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 13, 2015 13:45:52 GMT -5
Just because something isn't a 1:1 equivalency doesn't mean you can't use something for predictive purposes. It's like the idea of translating adjusting for competition and other contextual elements is foreign to people.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 13, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5
I said after seeing Riyan early last year that he should get some minutes; I got laughed at. Just like Sims, Hayes, and Bowen... But on this team, Riyan probably won't get a lot of minutes. All of a sudden, the guard position ain't too shabby. Who was Riyan going to take minutes from last year? Do we beat the Utes if Riyan played more minutes during the year?
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