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Post by prhoya on Jul 19, 2015 20:38:17 GMT -5
I could absolutely be wrong, but I see a rotation of Tre, DSR, Peak, Cope, Govan, White, Derrickson, AA and occasionally Johnson with essentially zero time going to Cameron, Hayes and Mourning. We'll see what happens with the Hayes injury, but if he's fine by October, he starts and plays at least 10 minutes. As to Cameron, it's up to him in how much he improves both sides of his game, but he has plenty of competition for pt.
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Post by ryang on Jul 19, 2015 21:00:33 GMT -5
Plus, AA runs the floor and passes better than Hayes or Mourning. I could absolutely be wrong, but I see a rotation of Tre, DSR, Peak, Cope, Govan, White, Derrickson, AA and occasionally Johnson with essentially zero time going to Cameron, Hayes and Mourning. I'd like to see the following lineup get lots of run next year - Tre, DSR, Peak, Ike, Jesse. That's my fun-and-gun lineup. No "glue guys"!
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Post by smokeyjack on Jul 19, 2015 21:13:05 GMT -5
Plus, AA runs the floor and passes better than Hayes or Mourning. I could absolutely be wrong, but I see a rotation of Tre, DSR, Peak, Cope, Govan, White, Derrickson, AA and occasionally Johnson with essentially zero time going to Cameron, Hayes and Mourning. I'd like to see the following lineup get lots of run next year - Tre, DSR, Peak, Ike, Jesse. That's my fun-and-gun lineup. No "glue guys"! I think that's your most likely starting five for Game 1. I'll bet any amount of money Hayes isn't a starter. Have it on very good authority that only two locks to start are DSR and Govan.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 19, 2015 23:10:53 GMT -5
I'd like to see the following lineup get lots of run next year - Tre, DSR, Peak, Ike, Jesse. That's my fun-and-gun lineup. No "glue guys"! I think that's your most likely starting five for Game 1. I'll bet any amount of money Hayes isn't a starter. Have it on very good authority that only two locks to start are DSR and Govan. By not having Ike I'll say that your source is not the best, but we'll seemif you're right in November.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 19, 2015 23:24:39 GMT -5
I think that's your most likely starting five for Game 1. I'll bet any amount of money Hayes isn't a starter. Have it on very good authority that only two locks to start are DSR and Govan. By not having Ike I'll say that your source is not the best, but we'll seemif you're right in November. He has 25 posts on here. I'll trust his sources.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 20, 2015 4:20:23 GMT -5
I don't understand how the lack of guard depth means the likeliness of Tre starting. If anything we need a guard coming off the bench which he is perfectly suited for at this stage. DSR and Peak will be the starting guards which, as far as ballhandling is concerned, is no worse than DSR and Jabril last season.
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Post by IDenj on Jul 20, 2015 6:43:07 GMT -5
Zero chance Coleland sits. He has POY potential and could leave after the season and yet we want to run a small lineup out there? Don't see it.
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 20, 2015 7:52:09 GMT -5
All starting lineups (barring injury) will begin & end with the following DSR, Peak & Copeland. Any starting lineup without these three is laughable.
Other potential starters are Hayes (token Sr. starts till Jessie gets his feet wet), Govan, Campbell, White. I truly believe however, Campbell & White will be the first off the bench.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 20, 2015 8:35:47 GMT -5
I could see Govan and DSR being the only locks to start. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means the other 4 key guys are talented enough to push each other and the "loser" becomes the 6th man and probably plays starter minutes anyway.
DSR is all-conference and the senior leader. As for Govan, we all know what JTIII thinks of Hayes. So it might or might not be on "good authority" but would anyone be shocked if that were JTIII's thoughts heading into the year?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 9:03:28 GMT -5
I could see Govan and DSR being the only locks to start. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means the other 4 key guys are talented enough to push each other and the "loser" becomes the 6th man and probably plays starter minutes anyway. DSR is all-conference and the senior leader. As for Govan, we all know what JTIII thinks of Hayes. So it might or might not be on "good authority" but would anyone be shocked if that were JTIII's thoughts heading into the year? Yes. If that were the case -- right now, at this very moment -- it would absolutely shock me. And if it didn't shock a majority of the people on this board... That would shock me too. (On re-read I see "heading into the year". I'm not sure if that means now or late October. But the original comment was that DSR & Govan are locks right now to start on Day 1. That's what I'm basing my comments on.)
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on Jul 20, 2015 9:13:52 GMT -5
Do we ever go Govan at the 4, Hayes at 5, Copeland at 3, Peak at 2, DSR at 1? Only reason I propose this is Govan can step out and shoot and passes well.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 20, 2015 9:17:46 GMT -5
Do we ever go Govan at the 4, Hayes at 5, Copeland at 3, Peak at 2, DSR at 1? Only reason I propose this is Govan can step out and shoot and passes well. Maybe if we play zone on defense. But Govan can't guard college 4s and it's questionable whether Copeland can guard college 3s.
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Post by seaweed on Jul 20, 2015 9:20:24 GMT -5
By not having Ike I'll say that your source is not the best, but we'll seemif you're right in November. He has 25 posts on here. I'll trust his sources. 8000 posts insulting other posters and past players would make him much more reliable, right?
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Post by 2ndRyan on Jul 20, 2015 9:34:33 GMT -5
My two oldest sons and i made our annual pilgrimage from Philly to Kenner for the Sunday games. We came early in the season for us. Weird vibe- a lot of Hoya no shows- no Derrickson, no Peak and no DSR (though he did come into the gym after his game). White and Hayes were hurt.
We liked Govan (will be interesting to see how quickly he gets his Big East legs) and Kaleb Johnson is quite a slasher. Copeland started out well, his threes were falling but his team had a lonely five players and they were out of gas early. Agau was very physical and was a Kenner match-up problem. will be interesting to see how he fits in this Fall.
The best game of the day was #4- Tombs vs Premier Athletics- both teams were fully stocked with 10-12 players and the play was intense and physical. Carter of Maryland and Whittington appeared to be going at each other a lot.
The returning car poll- best Georgetown player was Copeland. Best player of the day (through 4, we didn't stay for game 5) was Greg Whittington. oh, what might have been.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2015 10:14:03 GMT -5
I could see Govan and DSR being the only locks to start. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means the other 4 key guys are talented enough to push each other and the "loser" becomes the 6th man and probably plays starter minutes anyway. DSR is all-conference and the senior leader. As for Govan, we all know what JTIII thinks of Hayes. So it might or might not be on "good authority" but would anyone be shocked if that were JTIII's thoughts heading into the year? Agree. I think if it really is the case that DSR and Govan are the only locks, it's not just a function of how good they are but also a function of the competition. Isaac is going to be very good, but he's competing with White, Derrickson and more at the 4 and basically everyone at the 3. Tre may be pushing Peak. And so on. But while Hayes made some plays in the tournament, I think it's very possible that Govan is so much more talented that it's obvious he's getting the call. And DSR is DSR. So I basically took it as "Govan is super talented and the staff leans towards open competition." When the dust settles, though, I expect all the starters from last year to start, Govan to have taken the center job and that leaves one open spot for Campbell, White, Derrickson, Agau, and son on to battle it out. I figure White gets it, partially because we're low on guards and Campbell's offense will be nice off the bench.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2015 10:16:07 GMT -5
Also, anyone else worried/bummed that our teams keep losing in Kenner? I miss the days when the Tombs was the best team.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2015 10:34:02 GMT -5
He has 25 posts on here. I'll trust his sources. 8000 posts insulting other posters and past players would make him much more reliable, right? I don't claim to have "sources" and I've never posted "inside information." If I do, then you can question the credibility of what I'm saying about JT3's plans.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2015 10:35:09 GMT -5
Also, anyone else worried/bummed that our teams keep losing in Kenner? I miss the days when the Tombs was the best team. I wish they still allowed all the frosh to play together.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 20, 2015 10:35:41 GMT -5
Tombs isn't really the tombs with only two freshman on it SF. That has changed from the old days when you would have two upper classmen and all freshman. That being said, them losing on Saturday with Henry, Jeff Green, & Bowen was highly suspect. CHECK that, that was clyde's.
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Post by aristides on Jul 20, 2015 10:56:16 GMT -5
I'd like to see the following lineup get lots of run next year - Tre, DSR, Peak, Ike, Jesse. That's my fun-and-gun lineup. No "glue guys"! I think that's your most likely starting five for Game 1. I'll bet any amount of money Hayes isn't a starter. Have it on very good authority that only two locks to start are DSR and Govan. Handing a freshman a starting spot without even coaching him in practice yet doesn't sound like JTIII's style to me. Hayes's injury is certainly a shame. I hope he is a quick healer and will be able to play in Italy. I love that Tre is lighting it up. I enjoy the reports from the Kenner league. Thanks to all of you for the recaps!
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