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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 17, 2015 12:34:59 GMT -5
I love L.J. Peaks. Just go back and read my posts pertaining to him, especially after he committed to Georgetown. However, we have to be realistic. As good a player as Peaks is, he is not going to make it to the next level as a 6'4"?? small forward. As much as we may not want to go down this road of speculation, in my humble opinion, Peaks should switch completely to the guard position if he wants to make it to the NBA.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 17, 2015 13:05:03 GMT -5
I mean.....yeah? I think this is considered a consensus. The only issue is that many of you act as if he isn't a guard already. He has guard skills RIGHT NOW...he only needs to keep honing them, sharpening them.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 17, 2015 13:08:09 GMT -5
I mean.....yeah? I think this is considered a consensus. The only issue is that many of you act as if he isn't a guard already. He has guard skills RIGHT NOW...he only needs to keep honing them, sharpening them. The only people who view Peak as a forward are those who have no idea what his name actually is.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 17, 2015 13:47:58 GMT -5
Not sure why this is even a conversation. LJ Peak is a shooting guard.
Period.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 17, 2015 14:14:45 GMT -5
Not sure why this is even a conversation. LJ Peak is a shooting guard. Period. How would you grade his shooting?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2015 14:18:05 GMT -5
Not sure why this is even a conversation. LJ Peak is a shooting guard. Period. How would you grade his shooting? From a size standpoint, he's clearly a shooting guard. However, the "shooting" part of the job description needs a lot of work. 39.4% fg, 24.6% 3fg and 70.1% ft all indicate he is a relatively poor shooter for a "shooting" guard. In conference play (i.e., against better competition after he feasted on some lower level opponents where he could use his physicality better), LJ put up 35.7% fg and 17.1% 3fg. Peak's a very nice player and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the NBA stuff seems like a pipe dream at this point.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 17, 2015 14:33:15 GMT -5
I mean.....yeah? I think this is considered a consensus. The only issue is that many of you act as if he isn't a guard already. He has guard skills RIGHT NOW...he only needs to keep honing them, sharpening them. The only people who view Peak as a forward are those who have no idea what his name actually is. That's his twin, Peaks.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jun 17, 2015 15:05:12 GMT -5
Do we really need a separate thread for an argument about a fairly meaningless positional denomination?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 17, 2015 15:35:17 GMT -5
Not sure why this is even a conversation. LJ Peak is a shooting guard. Period. How would you grade his shooting? As having to improve. Doesn't make his position any different
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 17, 2015 15:41:26 GMT -5
The only people who view Peak as a forward are those who have no idea what his name actually is. That's his twin, Peaks. Well played. Who is the dancing dwarf?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 10:24:48 GMT -5
How would you grade his shooting? From a size standpoint, he's clearly a shooting guard. However, the "shooting" part of the job description needs a lot of work. 39.4% fg, 24.6% 3fg and 70.1% ft all indicate he is a relatively poor shooter for a "shooting" guard. In conference play (i.e., against better competition after he feasted on some lower level opponents where he could use his physicality better), LJ put up 35.7% fg and 17.1% 3fg. Peak's a very nice player and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the NBA stuff seems like a pipe dream at this point. He has a ways to go but there's a long list of players that went from bad/decent shooters to good or above average. I'll also add D Wade, Tyreke Evans, Dion Waiters, Demar Derozan and Monta Ellis are all Nba level Shooting guards who have shot under 30% for their careers. That's also 3 of the top 6 scorers at the position this past season. It's not as big of a red flag as you think if he is doing everything else at a high level imo. One thing NBA guys always think they can improve is a players shooting and the position is not deep at the NBA level currently.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2015 11:03:13 GMT -5
From a size standpoint, he's clearly a shooting guard. However, the "shooting" part of the job description needs a lot of work. 39.4% fg, 24.6% 3fg and 70.1% ft all indicate he is a relatively poor shooter for a "shooting" guard. In conference play (i.e., against better competition after he feasted on some lower level opponents where he could use his physicality better), LJ put up 35.7% fg and 17.1% 3fg. Peak's a very nice player and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the NBA stuff seems like a pipe dream at this point. He has a ways to go but there's a long list of players that went from bad/decent shooters to good or above average. I'll also add D Wade, Tyreke Evans, Dion Waiters, Demar Derozan and Monta Ellis are all Nba level Shooting guards who have shot under 30% for their careers. That's also 3 of the top 6 scorers at the position this past season. It's not as big of a red flag as you think if he is doing everything else at a high level imo. One thing NBA guys always think they can improve is a players shooting and the position is not deep at the NBA level currently. Some good points and totally agree on the NBA guys believing they can fix shooting. That said, Peak's shooting is still mostly worse than the guys you mentioned when they were in college. D Wade (2 seasons at Marquette): 49.4% fg, 33.3% 3fg, 74.5% ft D Waiters (2 seasons at Syracuse): 45.3% fg, 34.8% 3fg, 75.3% ft Demar Derozan (1 season at USC): 52.3% fg, 16.7% 3fg, 64.6 ft Of these three, Peak is way behind Wade and Waiters, also way worse than Derozan on 2-point field goals, though he shoots better than Derozan on threes and free throws. That said, Derozan is a top shelf NBA run/jump athlete in a way Peak is not. Waiters is probably the best comparison size/athleticism-wise. I consider Evans a different animal as he was a PG at Memphis, playing the D. Rose/John Wall role under Calipari. He's since become more of a shooting guard in the NBA, but was drafted as a big PG. Even so, here are his numbers: Tyreke Evans (1 season at Memphis): 45.5% fg, 27.4% 3fg, 71.1% ft Ellis obviously didn't play college ball. The leap LJ would need to make between his freshman and sophomore years to be in the same category as these guys is enormous. It's not impossible, but there's very little from his freshman year that would indicate LJ is going to make that leap. Again, I don't want to knock him, he's a good college player and had a nice freshman season. But the NBA after next year talk is a pipe dream, if he actually wants to get drafted. If he wants to go pro and make money somewhere, I'm sure he'll be able to do that.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 18, 2015 11:04:14 GMT -5
How would you grade his shooting? From a size standpoint, he's clearly a shooting guard. However, the "shooting" part of the job description needs a lot of work. 39.4% fg, 24.6% 3fg and 70.1% ft all indicate he is a relatively poor shooter for a "shooting" guard. In conference play (i.e., against better competition after he feasted on some lower level opponents where he could use his physicality better), LJ put up 35.7% fg and 17.1% 3fg. Peak's a very nice player and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the NBA stuff seems like a pipe dream at this point. Shooting guard is a misnomer. This is why Ken Beatrice liked to call the position Wing Guard. Because you also had guys at that position who didn't really shoot. Same thing small forward. Beatrice preferred Quick Forward because there were guys like Larry Bird who at the time were bigger than the majority of the power forwards in the league. As far as Peak he is looking to score although I think he was reigned in last year being a freshman, being part of a new offense and defense, and not having the most efficient percentages. He averaged 38 points a game at Gaffney so the guy is not shy about shooting and is not going to hide from shooting like Lubick. Whether he's efficient shooting the ball is another thing but the position is not called ESG (Efficient Shooting Guard) either. Peaks 2% FG percentage is okay. What kills his overall FG% is the 3pt%. It's acknowledged that that's something he has to work on but it's normal for someone to come from high school (with the closer 3pt line) to struggle when they first come to college. Look at Otto. He shot .226 as a freshman and then .422 as a sohpmore from 3. As far as FT percentage I'm surprised it's at 70% (which is okay. Not bad not great) considering he always seemed to be missing one of two at the line.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2015 11:09:57 GMT -5
From a size standpoint, he's clearly a shooting guard. However, the "shooting" part of the job description needs a lot of work. 39.4% fg, 24.6% 3fg and 70.1% ft all indicate he is a relatively poor shooter for a "shooting" guard. In conference play (i.e., against better competition after he feasted on some lower level opponents where he could use his physicality better), LJ put up 35.7% fg and 17.1% 3fg. Peak's a very nice player and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the NBA stuff seems like a pipe dream at this point. Shooting guard is a misnomer. This is why Ken Beatrice liked to call the position Wing Guard. Because you also had guys at that position who didn't really shoot. Same thing small forward. Beatrice preferred Quick Forward because there were guys like Larry Bird who at the time were bigger than the majority of the power forwards in the league. As far as Peak he is looking to score although I think he was reigned in last year being a freshman, being part of a new offense and defense, and not having the most efficient percentages. He averaged 38 points a game at Gaffney so the guy is not shy about shooting and is not going to hide from shooting like Lubick. Whether he's efficient shooting the ball is another thing but the position is not called ESG (Efficient Shooting Guard) either. Peaks 2% FG percentage is okay. What kills his overall FG% is the 3pt%. It's acknowledged that that's something he has to work on but it's normal for someone to come from high school (with the closer 3pt line) to struggle when they first come to college. Look at Otto. He shot .226 as a freshman and then .422 as a sohpmore from 3. As far as FT percentage I'm surprised it's at 70% (which is okay. Not bad not great) considering he always seemed to be missing one of two at the line. Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 18, 2015 11:19:49 GMT -5
Shooting guard is a misnomer. This is why Ken Beatrice liked to call the position Wing Guard. Because you also had guys at that position who didn't really shoot. Same thing small forward. Beatrice preferred Quick Forward because there were guys like Larry Bird who at the time were bigger than the majority of the power forwards in the league. As far as Peak he is looking to score although I think he was reigned in last year being a freshman, being part of a new offense and defense, and not having the most efficient percentages. He averaged 38 points a game at Gaffney so the guy is not shy about shooting and is not going to hide from shooting like Lubick. Whether he's efficient shooting the ball is another thing but the position is not called ESG (Efficient Shooting Guard) either. Peaks 2% FG percentage is okay. What kills his overall FG% is the 3pt%. It's acknowledged that that's something he has to work on but it's normal for someone to come from high school (with the closer 3pt line) to struggle when they first come to college. Look at Otto. He shot .226 as a freshman and then .422 as a sohpmore from 3. As far as FT percentage I'm surprised it's at 70% (which is okay. Not bad not great) considering he always seemed to be missing one of two at the line. Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables. Sincere question--What is it about Peak, then, that got him selected to the U-19 team? What is it that we are missing?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2015 11:22:49 GMT -5
Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables. Sincere question--What is it about Peak, then, that got him selected to the U-19 team? What is it that we are missing? I don't think we're missing anything. He's a solid player, no doubt. Poor shooter for a 6'4" guy hoping to make the NBA, but can take the ball to the basket effectively and defend. Very nice college player. Not a very good NBA prospect at this point. Certainly not somebody that should expect to make the jump after next season, assuming his goal is to get drafted.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 18, 2015 11:29:21 GMT -5
Shooting guard is a misnomer. This is why Ken Beatrice liked to call the position Wing Guard. Because you also had guys at that position who didn't really shoot. Same thing small forward. Beatrice preferred Quick Forward because there were guys like Larry Bird who at the time were bigger than the majority of the power forwards in the league. As far as Peak he is looking to score although I think he was reigned in last year being a freshman, being part of a new offense and defense, and not having the most efficient percentages. He averaged 38 points a game at Gaffney so the guy is not shy about shooting and is not going to hide from shooting like Lubick. Whether he's efficient shooting the ball is another thing but the position is not called ESG (Efficient Shooting Guard) either. Peaks 2% FG percentage is okay. What kills his overall FG% is the 3pt%. It's acknowledged that that's something he has to work on but it's normal for someone to come from high school (with the closer 3pt line) to struggle when they first come to college. Look at Otto. He shot .226 as a freshman and then .422 as a sohpmore from 3. As far as FT percentage I'm surprised it's at 70% (which is okay. Not bad not great) considering he always seemed to be missing one of two at the line. Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables. Waiters freshman year percentage is .476. so not sure why somebody would combine the two year percentage when there usually is an uptick during the 2nd year. Mid to high 2pt % is Kobe Bryant level: okay (not elite but not bad) percentage. Elite level percentage is over 50%. In most case that means elite finishing ability (dunks). Alot of times LJ would try to slice in for layups instead of dunking it. Now granted he may be smaller as well as having smaller wingpan so he may not be able to dunk in traffic the same way a much later guy like DeRoza, Evans or Wade (6-10 wingspan) can. I really have no idea since I don't know what LJ's wingspan and vertical leap measureables are.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2015 11:32:57 GMT -5
Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables. Waiters freshman year percentage is .476. so not sure why somebody would combine the two year percentage when there usually is an uptick during the 2nd year. Mid to high 2pt % is Kobe Bryant level: okay (not elite but not bad) percentage. Elite level percentage is over 50%. In most case that means elite finishing ability (dunks). Alot of times LJ would try to slice in for layups instead of dunking it. Now granted he may be smaller as well as having smaller wingpan so he may not be able to dunk in traffic the same way a much later guy like DeRoza, Evans or Wade (6-10 wingspan) can. I really have no idea since I don't know what LJ's wingspan and vertical leap measureables are.6'9.5" wingspan according to measurements at USA Basketball. Guessing his vertical leap doesn't approach DeRozan's or Wade's.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:35:09 GMT -5
He has a ways to go but there's a long list of players that went from bad/decent shooters to good or above average. I'll also add D Wade, Tyreke Evans, Dion Waiters, Demar Derozan and Monta Ellis are all Nba level Shooting guards who have shot under 30% for their careers. That's also 3 of the top 6 scorers at the position this past season. It's not as big of a red flag as you think if he is doing everything else at a high level imo. One thing NBA guys always think they can improve is a players shooting and the position is not deep at the NBA level currently. Some good points and totally agree on the NBA guys believing they can fix shooting. That said, Peak's shooting is still mostly worse than the guys you mentioned when they were in college. D Wade (2 seasons at Marquette): 49.4% fg, 33.3% 3fg, 74.5% ft D Waiters (2 seasons at Syracuse): 45.3% fg, 34.8% 3fg, 75.3% ft Demar Derozan (1 season at USC): 52.3% fg, 16.7% 3fg, 64.6 ft Of these three, Peak is way behind Wade and Waiters, also way worse than Derozan on 2-point field goals, though he shoots better than Derozan on threes and free throws. That said, Derozan is a top shelf NBA run/jump athlete in a way Peak is not. Waiters is probably the best comparison size/athleticism-wise. I consider Evans a different animal as he was a PG at Memphis, playing the D. Rose/John Wall role under Calipari. He's since become more of a shooting guard in the NBA, but was drafted as a big PG. Even so, here are his numbers: Tyreke Evans (1 season at Memphis): 45.5% fg, 27.4% 3fg, 71.1% ft Ellis obviously didn't play college ball. The leap LJ would need to make between his freshman and sophomore years to be in the same category as these guys is enormous. It's not impossible, but there's very little from his freshman year that would indicate LJ is going to make that leap. Again, I don't want to knock him, he's a good college player and had a nice freshman season. But the NBA after next year talk is a pipe dream, if he actually wants to get drafted. If he wants to go pro and make money somewhere, I'm sure he'll be able to do that. I'm not saying Peak is the next Tyreke or Wade just pointing out their are a lot of not so great shooters playing shooting guard in the NBA and being successful. Lance Stephenson, Tony Allen, Corey Brewer etc... There's plenty of guys. Oladipo shot 20% as a Soph from three if you want to look at college numbers. The point is Shooting can be improved upon but Size for position, Athleticism, Length and all the other physical attributes that he has are much harder to improve. He checks the box in a lot of those areas regarding NBA potential. That being said he's only 19 and has to continue to improve.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:38 GMT -5
Compared to the guys YaBoy brought up in his post, however, this really isn't true. LJ's 2fg% was 45.7%. By comparison, Wade: 51.2% Waiters: 51.3% Derozan: 56.2% Evans: 51.4% That's a pretty big gap between LJ and NBA first round comparables. Sincere question--What is it about Peak, then, that got him selected to the U-19 team? What is it that we are missing? Age is a big factor. I guess Peak must be young for his age since he would have to be 18 to be on the under 19 team. You look at the final roster and Swangian Tatum Alozno Trier Isiah Briscoe Brunson Evans Ferguson are all in high school. Peak has the advantage and experience of having a year of NCAA D1 under his belt. Onuaku from Lousivlle and Welsh from UCLA are the other two u19s who have played college. And his defense is apparently really good www.casualhoya.com/2015/6/16/8788691/lj-peak-georgetown-hoyas-u19-team-usa-basketball-film
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