May vs Pac

[blueeagle]

Is anybody remotely interested in the fight of the century?

Floyd has definitely strayed from his normal pre-fight persona. Very eerie. I get the feeling that the outcome was already settled when the decision to have the fight was made. So much money at stake. The betting line on fight day will be interesting. If the odds somehow even up, I predict a win by Manny with a rematch in the fall. Guess who wins that one?

I think it is the only scenario to ensure that Top Rank, The Money Team, and Vegas all win bIg...twice or even three times. Too cynical?

[ksf42001]

Apr 30, 2015 21:27:23 GMT -5 blueeagle said:

Is anybody remotely interested in the fight of the century?

Floyd has definitely strayed from his normal pre-fight persona. Very eerie. I get the feeling that the outcome was already settled when the decision to have the fight was made. So much money at stake. The betting line on fight day will be interesting. If the odds somehow even up, I predict a win by Manny with a rematch in the fall. Guess who wins that one?

I think it is the only scenario to ensure that Top Rank, The Money Team, and Vegas all win bIg...twice or even three times. Too cynical?

I think you mean "fight of the century". These are two fighters that are a few years past their prime. I predict a boring Mayweather decision victory. There's no way Mayweather would agree to willingly lose his undefeated record, even if it meant more money. His ego wouldn't allow it. Also, Mayweather winning the first fight doesn't prevent a rematch, unless it's an absolutely dominating Mayweather victory.

But even as a big boxing fan, I will not be buying the fight, especially at $100. Mayweather is literally a scum-of-the-earth level human being, and I feel no need to give him money.

[SFHoya99]

I can't see Mayweather losing (in reality, can totally see a rigged decision). It's pretty clear to me that Pacquiao was probably doping earlier in his career. I doubt this was ever a fight of the century and it certainly isn't now.

I would watch it if my parents weren't in town but they are and I don't feel like I'm missing all that much.

[Nevada Hoya]

The hotel prices in Las Vegas have dropped from an average of $550 to $350 a night for fight night (2 night minimum. So even there we have a lack of interest. The son of one of the NV boxing refs is sure that Pac will win.

[hoyainspirit]

I have long liked Mayweather as a boxer, but it's hard for me to root for him in this fight. In addition to his abhorrent personal issues, the fact that Mayweather ducked Pacquiao for so long makes it difficult for me to root for him any longer. I do hope it's a good bout.

[blueeagle]

The last time I forked over good money to watch a PPV fight was Pac vs. Marquez 4. Quite a stunner. I admit, if I did not watch the fight live, I probably would not have watched the fight at all. Manny is my man and that KO was devastating. I was abroad for the Utah game. I still have not dialed it up on my DVR. I am that kind of a fan.

I think this fight goes to whomever is able to replicate their fight with Miguel Cotto. Despite the beating he took against Margarito, Cotto fought both guys in his prime. Cotto is a good hybrid of both Pac's and May's strengths. He is both a warrior and a skilled boxer. Cotto competed against Manny until Cotto was hit with a right hook that stunned him. After that, Manny just destroyed him. Cotto competed against Floyd for most of the fight but he just could not breakthrough Money's elbows. It allowed Floyd time to learn Cotto's tendencies and he closed the show.

Prize fighting, by its nature, is dramatic, hyperbolic, larger than life. This will be one hell of a bout. I hope it ends with Kenny Bayless raising the Pambansang Kamao (Nation's Fist) up in victory.

[Elvado]

Unfortunately Floyd ducked him long enough that Manny probably can't beat him now.

[prhoya]

May 1, 2015 16:13:44 GMT -5 blueeagle said:

The last time I forked over good money to watch a PPV fight was Pac vs. Marquez 4. Quite a stunner. I admit, if I did not watch the fight live, I probably would not have watched the fight at all. Manny is my man and that KO was devastating. I was abroad for the Utah game. I still have not dialed it up on my DVR. I am that kind of a fan.

I think this fight goes to whomever is able to replicate their fight with Miguel Cotto. Despite the beating he took against Margarito, Cotto fought both guys in his prime. Cotto is a good hybrid of both Pac's and May's strengths. He is both a warrior and a skilled boxer. Cotto competed against Manny until Cotto was hit with a right hook that stunned him. After that, Manny just destroyed him. Cotto competed against Floyd for most of the fight but he just could not breakthrough Money's elbows. It allowed Floyd time to learn Cotto's tendencies and he closed the show.

Prize fighting, by its nature, is dramatic, hyperbolic, larger than life. This will be one hell of a bout. I hope it ends with Kenny Bayless raising the Pambansang Kamao (Nation's Fist) up in victory.

For reference, Floyd is 38, Manny 36 and Miguel 34. Unfortunately for Cotto, he was going through a transition in his career when the Money fight was made. It was his first fight as his own promoter (his contract with Arum expired) and Team Cotto made a mistake ($) by going into this fight with out-of-class Pedro Díaz in his corner. Still, after the fight, Floyd told Cotto, "You are a hell of a champion — the toughest guy I fought." Loyal to the end, he retained Díaz for his next fight (vs Trout) and lost. Knowing something big needed to happen in his corner to recharge his career, Team Cotto spared no expense and hired Freddie Roach, the best (or close) in the game. Miguel has looked sensational in his next and last two fights. He has said that he will not fight again without Freddie in his corner. We'll see what happens if a Manny-Miguel fight happens, although Manny probably will follow the Money fight with a Mo' Money fight, win or lose. His wife wants him to retire. We'll see. Money-Cotto II would be a completely different fight and my money would be with Cotto.

[SFHoya99]

May 1, 2015 16:32:01 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Unfortunately Floyd ducked him long enough that Manny probably can't beat him now.

Huh? I don't like Mayweather but Pac is the dude who wouldn't fight if he had to take a drug test.

[kchoya]

May 1, 2015 18:29:56 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

May 1, 2015 16:32:01 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Unfortunately Floyd ducked him long enough that Manny probably can't beat him now.

Huh? I don't like Mayweather but Pac is the dude who wouldn't fight if he had to take a drug test.

He was willing to take drug tests consistent with relevant\applicable standards.

[Elvado]

Pacquiao rdfysed drug testing in 2009 when it was inserted as an issue by Mayweather at the 11th hour. After that Floyd kept moving the bar and ducked Mann, who was ready to comply with all standard drug testing.

[hoyainspirit]

May 1, 2015 16:13:44 GMT -5 blueeagle said:

The last time I forked over good money to watch a PPV fight was Pac vs. Marquez 4. Quite a stunner. I admit, if I did not watch the fight live, I probably would not have watched the fight at all. Manny is my man and that KO was devastating. I was abroad for the Utah game. I still have not dialed it up on my DVR. I am that kind of a fan.

I think this fight goes to whomever is able to replicate their fight with Miguel Cotto. Despite the beating he took against Margarito, Cotto fought both guys in his prime. Cotto is a good hybrid of both Pac's and May's strengths. He is both a warrior and a skilled boxer. Cotto competed against Manny until Cotto was hit with a right hook that stunned him. After that, Manny just destroyed him. Cotto competed against Floyd for most of the fight but he just could not breakthrough Money's elbows. It allowed Floyd time to learn Cotto's tendencies and he closed the show.

Prize fighting, by its nature, is dramatic, hyperbolic, larger than life. This will be one hell of a bout. I hope it ends with Kenny Bayless raising the Pambansang Kamao (Nation's Fist) up in victory.

Really nice post. I've enjoyed watching Mayweather fight, but I admit I have mixed feelings. Since I also like Manny, I hope he wins. I guess.

[deacon]

People forget that the only thing that stopped the fight from happening a few years back was the fact that Pacquaio refused Olympic-style testing even though it was widely rumored within the sport that he was on HGH and insulin. And the demand for random testing was in the initial proposal to Pacquaio and Top Rank. Even Freddie Roach admitted about a year ago that he believed Alex Ariza was giving Manny something illegal during his peak years, and if you can watch Manny in the Cotto and Hattom fights and tell me with a straight face that he wasn't on some kind of growth hormone, then fine.

Mayweather will dominate this fight just like he always would've.

[SaxaCD]

Apr 30, 2015 21:27:23 GMT -5 blueeagle said:

Is anybody remotely interested in the fight of the century?

Floyd has definitely strayed from his normal pre-fight persona. Very eerie. I get the feeling that the outcome was already settled when the decision to have the fight was made. So much money at stake. The betting line on fight day will be interesting. If the odds somehow even up, I predict a win by Manny with a rematch in the fall. Guess who wins that one?

I think it is the only scenario to ensure that Top Rank, The Money Team, and Vegas all win bIg...twice or even three times. Too cynical?

I'm in the Philippines. Believe me, there are a lot of people here remotely interested in watching the fight.

[SaxaCD]

May 1, 2015 22:07:55 GMT -5 deacon said:

People forget that the only thing that stopped the fight from happening a few years back was the fact that Pacquaio refused Olympic-style testing even though it was widely rumored within the sport that he was on HGH and insulin. And the demand for random testing was in the initial proposal to Pacquaio and Top Rank. Even Freddie Roach admitted about a year ago that he believed Alex Ariza was giving Manny something illegal during his peak years, and if you can watch Manny in the Cotto and Hattom fights and tell me with a straight face that he wasn't on some kind of growth hormone, then fine.

Mayweather will dominate this fight just like he always would've.

I think at both their peaks Pacquaio, had the speed to neutralize Floyd's hit and run around the ring strategy until he smashed him, and would have knocked him out. Mayweather smartly (and predictably for both him and boxing) waited until Manny started losing an edge both in handspeed and power to set this fight up a lot more in his favor, using the "Olympic testing" canard (Pacquiao had already agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands by 2012). Mayweather should win if his usual boxing skills are still there, but Pacquaio always has a puncher's chance, and he doesn't really "get down" during fights, something that Floyd has relied on a lot during his career.

Just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be another Mayweather "Technically brilliant, horribly boring" PPV debacle. Win or lose, Manny pretty much always tries to put on a good show. Too bad the fight didn't happen a few years ago -- Mayweather could have served his girl-beating time in a comfy hospital bed.

[prhoya]

Btw, the fight should be streaming live for free in some of the websites we use to watch Hoya games. So, if you don't want to make Money mo' money, a simple search should do.

[deacon]

May 1, 2015 23:39:16 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

May 1, 2015 22:07:55 GMT -5 deacon said:

People forget that the only thing that stopped the fight from happening a few years back was the fact that Pacquaio refused Olympic-style testing even though it was widely rumored within the sport that he was on HGH and insulin. And the demand for random testing was in the initial proposal to Pacquaio and Top Rank. Even Freddie Roach admitted about a year ago that he believed Alex Ariza was giving Manny something illegal during his peak years, and if you can watch Manny in the Cotto and Hattom fights and tell me with a straight face that he wasn't on some kind of growth hormone, then fine.

Mayweather will dominate this fight just like he always would've.

I think at both their peaks Pacquaio, had the speed to neutralize Floyd's hit and run around the ring strategy until he smashed him, and would have knocked him out. Mayweather smartly (and predictably for both him and boxing) waited until Manny started losing an edge both in handspeed and power to set this fight up a lot more in his favor, using the "Olympic testing" canard (Pacquiao had already agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands by 2012). Mayweather should win if his usual boxing skills are still there, but Pacquaio always has a puncher's chance, and he doesn't really "get down" during fights, something that Floyd has relied on a lot during his career.

Just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be another Mayweather "Technically brilliant, horribly boring" PPV debacle. Win or lose, Manny pretty much always tries to put on a good show. Too bad the fight didn't happen a few years ago -- Mayweather could have served his girl-beating time in a comfy hospital bed.

You just don't like Floyd.

I get it.

The only advantage Pac has ever had over Floyd was quicker feet which would have served him well if we wanted to outbox Floyd but he's never been on the same level as a boxer as Floyd, so that's that.

[Elvado]

And he doesn't beat up girls like Floyd

[SaxaCD]

May 2, 2015 7:46:09 GMT -5 deacon said:

May 1, 2015 23:39:16 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

I think at both their peaks Pacquaio, had the speed to neutralize Floyd's hit and run around the ring strategy until he smashed him, and would have knocked him out. Mayweather smartly (and predictably for both him and boxing) waited until Manny started losing an edge both in handspeed and power to set this fight up a lot more in his favor, using the "Olympic testing" canard (Pacquiao had already agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands by 2012). Mayweather should win if his usual boxing skills are still there, but Pacquaio always has a puncher's chance, and he doesn't really "get down" during fights, something that Floyd has relied on a lot during his career.

Just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be another Mayweather "Technically brilliant, horribly boring" PPV debacle. Win or lose, Manny pretty much always tries to put on a good show. Too bad the fight didn't happen a few years ago -- Mayweather could have served his girl-beating time in a comfy hospital bed.

You just don't like Floyd.

I get it.

The only advantage Pac has ever had over Floyd was quicker feet which would have served him well if we wanted to outbox Floyd but he's never been on the same level as a boxer as Floyd, so that's that.

Until all the domestic battery stuff came out (or at least came out), I had been pretty neutral on Floyd, but over the years grew to hate a lot of his PPV fights since so many turned into borefests, although I have always admired his technical skills. I have been a Pacquaio fan from a long time back just because I love the kitchen sink style (especially in the early days before he had any semblance of defense whatsoever). I think Pacquiao at the top of his game was a very very dangerous opponent for Mayweather, and had a very good chance of winning by KO. At his best, I think he had both quicker hands and feet, but i totally agree, he's never been in the same class as a boxer. As a fighter? Very different question. I think Floyd thought so too, and I give him credit for delaying to his advantage (I told friends back when he blew up the fight in 2009-10 over the last-minute introduction of a bunch of stuff that this would probably happen, he would only agree to fight once he deemed it a safe win). I am cheering for Manny tomorrow, but I think if Floyd fights a smart fight, he will be almost impossible to beat. If he opts to change his style too much to get a "signature" style win, I think it's more of a toss-up.

[nathanhm]

May 2, 2015 7:46:09 GMT -5 deacon said:

May 1, 2015 23:39:16 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

I think at both their peaks Pacquaio, had the speed to neutralize Floyd's hit and run around the ring strategy until he smashed him, and would have knocked him out. Mayweather smartly (and predictably for both him and boxing) waited until Manny started losing an edge both in handspeed and power to set this fight up a lot more in his favor, using the "Olympic testing" canard (Pacquiao had already agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands by 2012). Mayweather should win if his usual boxing skills are still there, but Pacquaio always has a puncher's chance, and he doesn't really "get down" during fights, something that Floyd has relied on a lot during his career.

Just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be another Mayweather "Technically brilliant, horribly boring" PPV debacle. Win or lose, Manny pretty much always tries to put on a good show. Too bad the fight didn't happen a few years ago -- Mayweather could have served his girl-beating time in a comfy hospital bed.

You just don't like Floyd.

I get it.

The only advantage Pac has ever had over Floyd was quicker feet which would have served him well if we wanted to outbox Floyd but he's never been on the same level as a boxer as Floyd, so that's that.

Does anyone actually like Floyd? He's a pretty terrible person.

Talented, undoubtably but awful human.