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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2015 15:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by flyoverhoya on Apr 29, 2015 17:30:42 GMT -5
Given it was Crowder, I'm surprisingly OK with this.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 10, 2015 17:07:16 GMT -5
I thought college basketball officiating was the worst, until I watched Game 4 of the Cavaliers/Bulls series this afternoon.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 17, 2015 16:52:47 GMT -5
The Clippers bite.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 18, 2015 14:05:56 GMT -5
They had that great series against the Spurs, they jumped all over the Rockets early, they had game 6 locked up, and then they pulled as big a collapse as you will ever see. Truly revolting. Bleah.
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Post by This Just In on May 21, 2015 10:35:17 GMT -5
Right now the odds on favorite to make the NBA Finals appear to be a weakened and injured Cleveland Cavaliers team vs the best defensive team in the NBA this year, the Golden State Warriors.
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Post by McBricks on May 21, 2015 17:40:54 GMT -5
Go Dubs.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 28, 2015 11:32:38 GMT -5
The Bulls have announced that they have fired Tom Thibodeau after five seasons. Wonder if Fred Hoiberg is next in line?
Also wonder how long it will take for Thibodeau to find a new head coaching spot. . .shouldn't take more than a month or two.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 5, 2015 12:25:57 GMT -5
Well, that may have been Cleveland's best chance to take a game in Oakland, especially given Irving's health.
If LeBron goes to 2-4 in NBA Finals, kind of hard to call him the best ever.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 5, 2015 19:59:00 GMT -5
Well, that may have been Cleveland's best chance to take a game in Oakland, especially given Irving's health. If LeBron goes to 2-4 in NBA Finals, kind of hard to call him the best ever. LeBron is not the best ever, but there's no way to hold this one against him.
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Post by Thomas on Jun 6, 2015 11:09:58 GMT -5
LeBron may start re-thinking this second phase of building a Super Team because Kyrie Irving seems to suffer a significant injury every year and Kevin Love wasn't a good fit with him for most of the year. The good thing for him is that he's in the Eastern Conference and won't face much resistance(unless Kevin Durant or some other elite Western Conference player signs or is traded to an Eastern Conference team) in the playoffs anytime soon.
About the "Lebron Being The Best Ever" talk, isn't it just those who are too young to have watched Michael Jordan and stooges on TV who want to take the controversial position by saying Lebron is the best?? Shaquille O'Neal's 3 year championship run from 2000-2002 is better than anything LeBron has done in the NBA Finals. I mean I don't even have to look up Shaq's numbers during those 3 championship runs and know it was always a MAN vs boys scenario similar to Michael Jordan's title runs.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 6, 2015 11:42:05 GMT -5
LeBron may start re-thinking this second phase of building a Super Team because Kyrie Irving seems to suffer a significant injury every year and Kevin Love wasn't a good fit with him for most of the year. The good thing for him is that he's in the Eastern Conference and won't face much resistance(unless Kevin Durant or some other elite Western Conference player signs or is traded to an Eastern Conference team) in the playoffs anytime soon. About the "Lebron Being The Best Ever" talk, isn't it just those who are too young to have watched Michael Jordan and stooges on TV who want to take the controversial position by saying Lebron is the best?? Shaquille O'Neal's 3 year championship run from 2000-2002 is better than anything LeBron has done in the NBA Finals. I mean I don't even have to look up Shaq's numbers during those 3 championship runs and know it was always a MAN vs boys scenario similar to Michael Jordan's title runs. Re: teammates, while Irving's health is an issue, he's a good player getting better and those don't always come back easy. LeBron and Love would have worked very well together -- at least provided no personality conflicts. Their games are EXTREMELY complementary. But LeBron took his month off and then Love got hurt before they could mesh. It took the Heat a year to mesh -- the Cavs, if healthy and together, will get better with time. As for the best, LeBron is up there. I'll wait for his career to actually be over before I set him in place. Jordan had just retired for the first in his career, Shaq would only win one more title and Wade and Kobe are better than anyone on the Cavs (or either the later model Wade or Bosh from the Heat). He's won two titles, They had both won three at this time. It's not exactly a rout so far.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 6, 2015 13:08:11 GMT -5
I guess it depends on how one defines "best ever". As a player, IMO there is no doubt LeBron is in the conversation. If winning championships is a huge part of the conversation, as it appears to be for most people, then let's not forget Bill Russell, the greatest winner of all time.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 6, 2015 13:48:14 GMT -5
I guess it depends on how one defines "best ever". As a player, IMO there is no doubt LeBron is in the conversation. If winning championships is a huge part of the conversation, as it appears to be for most people, then let's not forget Bill Russell, the greatest winner of all time. Great point HIS. If # of titles is the primary issue in determining "best player ever", the Celtics could field an entire starting line-up plus the league's best 6th man before anyone from any other team comes close. In fact, the Celtics were so good they could almost be considered "The Yankees of the NBA". OK, you're right. Maybe that is too big a stretch. Nonetheless, Celtic Players and # of ChampionshipsBill Russell -- 11 Sam Jones --- 10 Tom Heinsohn -- 8 KC Jones -- 8 Satch Sanders -- 8 John Havlicek -- 8 All of the above are in the Hall of FameYou have to get all the way down to 7 titles before anyone other than a Celtic appears Robert Horry -- 7 (and it took him three different teams to get there). Even Horry is joined by two more Celtics Jim Loscutoff -- 7 Frank Ramsay -- 7 Jordan, Pippen and Kareem each had 6 titles, as did yet another Celtic - Bob Cousy. No one else had more than 5. Great players who NEVER won a title? Elgin Baylor Patrick Ewing Charles Barkley Karl Malone John Stockton Allen Iverson Or to take it beyond Hoops, you could add Barry Sanders, Jim Kelley, Dan Marino, Ernie Banks... and all time Boston great, Ted Williams.
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Post by Thomas on Jun 6, 2015 15:28:14 GMT -5
SFHoya99, I agree about Kyrie Irving being an elite player, but the injuries are a major red flag to me, especially this latest fractured kneecap. K.Irving isn't there yet, but he's close to reaching Penny Hardaway/Derrick Rose/Grant Hill territory where you are fearful that he could sustain a bad injury every moment he's on the court. About Lebron and Kevin Love, there games can be complimentary if Kevin Love doesn't mind being a spot-up three point shooter. K.Love was a 26PTS/13Rebs guy in Minnesota because he'd get the ball a lot at the top of the key and was able to knock down jumpers or back down the opposing player and score over him in the paint. He's not going to be able to do a lot of that playing with Lebron who seems to handle the ball and run the offense on 90% of his teams plays. The same thing happened with Chris Bosh who saw his numbers and effectiveness drop significantly playing with Lebron.
hoyainspirit, a LOT of people when discussing the Best Ever forget about players that came before Michael Jordan. You mentioned Bill Russell, we can also add Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jerry West and the guys who came along right before Jordan like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. People act as if there's Michael Jordan and Lebron James, and everyone else is way behind them. I could accept someone who played with or before Michael Jordan being the best ever, but nobody who has come along after him can touch him, in my opinion.
I think we'd all agree that Cleveland now has no chance of winning the title at this point with Kyrie Irving out, I think Golden State will now blow out Cleveland in a similar fashion to what San Antonio did to Miami last year. It's true that you can't necessarily put this loss squarely on Lebron, but his NBA Finals record will now be 2-4, and he came out of a terrible Eastern Conference several times. What Lebron has done with these Cavs or last year's Heat isn't that much different than what Allen Iverson did with the 2001 Sixers or what Jason Kidd did with the 2002 and 2003 New Jersey Nets.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 6, 2015 16:23:57 GMT -5
SFHoya99, I agree about Kyrie Irving being an elite player, but the injuries are a major red flag to me, especially this latest fractured kneecap. K.Irving isn't there yet, but he's close to reaching Penny Hardaway/Derrick Rose/Grant Hill territory where you are fearful that he could sustain a bad injury every moment he's on the court. About Lebron and Kevin Love, there games can be complimentary if Kevin Love doesn't mind being a spot-up three point shooter. K.Love was a 26PTS/13Rebs guy in Minnesota because he'd get the ball a lot at the top of the key and was able to knock down jumpers or back down the opposing player and score over him in the paint. He's not going to be able to do a lot of that playing with Lebron who seems to handle the ball and run the offense on 90% of his teams plays. The same thing happened with Chris Bosh who saw his numbers and effectiveness drop significantly playing with Lebron. Kevin Love is a perfect pick and pop partner for LeBron and Kyrie. His ability to rebound and shoot are immensely valuable. They just never got it going before he got hurt.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 6, 2015 16:25:59 GMT -5
I guess it depends on how one defines "best ever". As a player, IMO there is no doubt LeBron is in the conversation. If winning championships is a huge part of the conversation, as it appears to be for most people, then let's not forget Bill Russell, the greatest winner of all time. Great point HIS. If # of titles is the primary issue in determining "best player ever", the Celtics could field an entire starting line-up plus the league's best 6th man before anyone from any other team comes close. In fact, the Celtics were so good they could almost be considered "The Yankees of the NBA". OK, you're right. Maybe that is too big a stretch. Nonetheless, Celtic Players and # of ChampionshipsBill Russell -- 11 Sam Jones --- 10 Tom Heinsohn -- 8 KC Jones -- 8 Satch Sanders -- 8 John Havlicek -- 8 All of the above are in the Hall of FameYou have to get all the way down to 7 titles before anyone other than a Celtic appears Robert Horry -- 7 (and it took him three different teams to get there). Even Horry is joined by two more Celtics Jim Loscutoff -- 7 Frank Ramsay -- 7 Jordan, Pippen and Kareem each had 6 titles, as did yet another Celtic - Bob Cousy. No one else had more than 5. Great players who NEVER won a title? Elgin Baylor Patrick Ewing Charles Barkley Karl Malone John Stockton Allen Iverson Or to take it beyond Hoops, you could add Barry Sanders, Jim Kelley, Dan Marino, Ernie Banks... and all time Boston great, Ted Williams. 538 had a good article on greatest teams and dynasties, where they brought up the excellent fact that there were 10 NBA teams for those Celtics. It wasn't nearly as mature a league back then. That all said, even though individuals influence titles more in basketball than baseball or football ... it's still a team sport. Barkley was a vastly superior player to Robert Horry. Rings can't be the whole story.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jun 7, 2015 9:28:32 GMT -5
Great point HIS. If # of titles is the primary issue in determining "best player ever", the Celtics could field an entire starting line-up plus the league's best 6th man before anyone from any other team comes close. In fact, the Celtics were so good they could almost be considered "The Yankees of the NBA". OK, you're right. Maybe that is too big a stretch. Nonetheless, Celtic Players and # of ChampionshipsBill Russell -- 11 Sam Jones --- 10 Tom Heinsohn -- 8 KC Jones -- 8 Satch Sanders -- 8 John Havlicek -- 8 All of the above are in the Hall of FameYou have to get all the way down to 7 titles before anyone other than a Celtic appears Robert Horry -- 7 (and it took him three different teams to get there). Even Horry is joined by two more Celtics Jim Loscutoff -- 7 Frank Ramsay -- 7 Jordan, Pippen and Kareem each had 6 titles, as did yet another Celtic - Bob Cousy. No one else had more than 5. Great players who NEVER won a title? Elgin Baylor Patrick Ewing Charles Barkley Karl Malone John Stockton Allen Iverson Or to take it beyond Hoops, you could add Barry Sanders, Jim Kelley, Dan Marino, Ernie Banks... and all time Boston great, Ted Williams. 538 had a good article on greatest teams and dynasties, where they brought up the excellent fact that there were 10 NBA teams for those Celtics. It wasn't nearly as mature a league back then.That all said, even though individuals influence titles more in basketball than baseball or football ... it's still a team sport. Barkley was a vastly superior player to Robert Horry. Rings can't be the whole story. Yes, there were only ten NBA teams, back when. While you could characterize the league as less developed, in some ways it was better. Fewer teams meant a greater concentration of talent for each squad. And the players themselves were more physically and emotionally mature -- everyone had gone to college for four years.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 12, 2015 0:30:50 GMT -5
Usher did a really nice job on the National Anthem tonight. Simple, true to the song, yet he made it his own. My all time favorite, however, is still Marvin Gaye's version at the 1983 NBA All Star game.
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