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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2015 21:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 11, 2015 22:32:40 GMT -5
The game tying goal was something out of Mite hockey. For those who didn't see it on ESPN, the BU goalie mishandled a puck dumped in from center ice, and pretty much dropped it right into his own net. PC took the lead a few minutes later.
At last report, via the Providence Journal, PC students have gathered in the streets around campus and are burning one couch.
Congrats to our Big East compatriot. PC has a rich hockey history, and it's hard to believe this is their first NCAA hockey title.
Between the BU loss and the Bruins' elimination from playoff contention, a tough night for hockey fans in Boston.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2015 22:48:10 GMT -5
No worries here. You'll see BU's best player in the NHL next year and the Bruins have been hot garbage for most of the season so their playoff miss was no surprise. It will speed up the rebuild.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 12, 2015 8:56:04 GMT -5
That goalie... I know he's visiting a bunch of teams over the next week or so but that is who everyone is clamouring over? He has a ways to go. Heard my Sens are the leader.
Eichel is a stud, yet he comes along the year that the next great Canadian generational talent emerges. Both will be stars at the next level although McDavid is something special.
Was really hoping Pitt missed the playoffs thus giving the Oilers another top 14 pick.
Bruins would be stupid to get rid of Chia and or Julien. But if Chia is released Sens should get in on him. To bad he sold his place here but I believe he still has family in town.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 12, 2015 8:57:29 GMT -5
Hockey on the Hoya Talk page - gotta be a first.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 12, 2015 9:36:28 GMT -5
That poor kid in net for BU. Not quite Bill Buckner, but that was just an awful way to give a game away. Watching the Frozen Four on ESPN, I can't help but think they broadcast it for literally no other reason than to stick it to the NHL.
In any event, it was fun to watch those kids battle it out and see Providence come out on top to avenge their loss in 85.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 12, 2015 10:24:52 GMT -5
That was a great come back. I am sorry for the BU goalie. I guess it was like getting a baseball lost in the lights. All the energy left the Garden when he made the muff. The Frozen Fours have been a great fan experience the last two seasons. I can't believe that next years will be in Florida?
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Post by sleepy on Apr 12, 2015 10:36:42 GMT -5
That goalie... I know he's visiting a bunch of teams over the next week or so but that is who everyone is clamouring over? He has a ways to go. Heard my Sens are the leader. Eichel is a stud, yet he comes along the year that the next great Canadian generational talent emerges. Both will be stars at the next level although McDavid is something special. Was really hoping Pitt missed the playoffs thus giving the Oilers another top 14 pick. Bruins would be stupid to get rid of Chia and or Julien. But if Chia is released Sens should get in on him. To bad he sold his place here but I believe he still has family in town. Chara with the bad knee is an old 39 going into next year. Time to move on. Eichel has great size and skill and turned 18 after he enrolled at BU. Whats scary is Mcdavid would normally not be eligible for this draft he just turned 18 2 or 3 months ago. His skill speed strength and vision at the age of 15 reminded many of Bobby Orr. I still donot beleive that the same NCAA clearing house credentials and requirementscan can possibly be equalized for college hockey and basketball. How are Kids Like Eichel and Hanafin let alone all the others who have had little in the way of a formal structured education system getting into college and yet Bsaketball seems to be treated a little differently. |
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Post by IDenj on Apr 12, 2015 10:49:37 GMT -5
McDavid is compared to Crosby. Similar skill sets. What's elevated Sidney's game is his work ethic. Apparently McDavid has similar characteristics.
What I don't get is why can Eichel get drafted but still return to school? He doesn't have to declare. Why can't NBA teams draft a guy and if he wants to stay in school, then he stays. Or leaves. What's the difference?
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 12, 2015 10:56:41 GMT -5
U R right. I talked to some parents from the Minn Gophers hockey team. His son is 24, has taken only one course each of he last 4 semesters, will graduate and is a first round draft pick whose option runs out August 1st. It is time for the NBA and NHL owners to fund minor league teams like baseball does and let college sports remain amateur.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2015 11:19:57 GMT -5
That goalie... I know he's visiting a bunch of teams over the next week or so but that is who everyone is clamouring over? He has a ways to go. Heard my Sens are the leader. Eichel is a stud, yet he comes along the year that the next great Canadian generational talent emerges. Both will be stars at the next level although McDavid is something special. Was really hoping Pitt missed the playoffs thus giving the Oilers another top 14 pick. Bruins would be stupid to get rid of Chia and or Julien. But if Chia is released Sens should get in on him. To bad he sold his place here but I believe he still has family in town. Bruins management seems to be very eager to replace both Chia and Julien. You're right, it would be a major mistake. However, the trade of Seguin to Dallas backfired, and a combination of age (with Chara) and injuries kept the B's from their usual form. If the Bruins do what I expect they will do, neither Chia nor Julien will be unemployed for very long. Then again, I'm a Devils fan (yeah, I'm the one), and we've missed the playoffs now for three straight years, so I'm becoming accustomed to regular season failures. But, as Craig Carton tells Boomer Esiason every day on WFAN, "Nobody likes hockey, Boomer." |
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Post by IDenj on Apr 12, 2015 11:34:07 GMT -5
U R right. I talked to some parents from the Minn Gophers hockey team. His son is 24, has taken only one course each of he last 4 semesters, will graduate and is a first round draft pick whose option runs out August 1st. It is time for the NBA and NHL owners to fund minor league teams like baseball does and let college sports remain amateur. Pro college hockey people will tell you NCAA is the better route as you get an education to prepare you for life after. But too many of these kids take guitar and underwater firefighting. If you play junior hockey you get your schooling paid for once you get to university. Generally those kids play a year or two in the ECHL or lower div euro leagues. So they give up the dream of hockey and move on in life. The others play a decent level of pro. In the end it's what you make of the opportunity. Again still don't understand why football and basketball players need to declare and forgo the rest of their NCAA eligibility while hockey is different. And if nobody cares for hockey in NY then just watch this spring as the Rangers make a run. |
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Post by sleepy on Apr 12, 2015 11:59:19 GMT -5
no its time to treat basketball players like hockey players. or vice versa. its been like this in college hockey for over 50 years.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2015 13:37:02 GMT -5
U R right. I talked to some parents from the Minn Gophers hockey team. His son is 24, has taken only one course each of he last 4 semesters, will graduate and is a first round draft pick whose option runs out August 1st. It is time for the NBA and NHL owners to fund minor league teams like baseball does and let college sports remain amateur. Pro college hockey people will tell you NCAA is the better route as you get an education to prepare you for life after. But too many of these kids take guitar and underwater firefighting. If you play junior hockey you get your schooling paid for once you get to university. Generally those kids play a year or two in the ECHL or lower div euro leagues. So they give up the dream of hockey and move on in life. The others play a decent level of pro. In the end it's what you make of the opportunity. Again still don't understand why football and basketball players need to declare and forgo the rest of their NCAA eligibility while hockey is different. And if nobody cares for hockey in NY then just watch this spring as the Rangers make a run. There are some limitations as to the payment of educational expenses, at least with the Ontario Hockey League (which is one of the three highest level junior leagues in Canada); as the attached article reflects, schooling must be commenced within eighteen months of the player's 20-year old year in the OHL, and that benefit is unavailable if the player has signed an NHL contract. I don't know if there is a similar provision for players in the WCHL or QMJHL, but would assume so. Interestingly, there are monthly stipends for OHL players which, apparently, do not prevent players from being approved by the NCAA clearinghouse for D-1 scholarships. Canadian junior leagues see themselves as being in competition with the NCAA for players. I'm not so sure that is the case. If you look at almost any D-1 hockey roster, almost all players have Canadian junior experience, and there are very few 18-year old or 19-year old freshmen. sports.yahoo.com/news/ohl-ups-the-ante--makes-significant-changes-to-player-benefit-packages-223242217.htmlWhy does the NCAA treat hockey differently than basketball and football? Maybe because decision makers in the Lower 48 don't understand the sport as well (and that is speaking as a big fan and as a veteran of the early-morning wake ups for travel team hockey since my son was 6 years old). It is a distinction without rationality. Oh, and enj, Carton is talking with tongue firmly in cheek. New Yorkers love hockey. . .especially with the Knicks being as unwatchable as they are. |
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Post by IDenj on Apr 12, 2015 13:57:51 GMT -5
Oh ok. Never heard their show tbh.
Kids that play tier 2 junior are eligible for an NCAA scholarship. Junior A CHL...if you spend 48 hours in a camp you can lose your eligibility to the U.S. Part of this lawsuit that players from the CHL have launched is about ensuring those benefits for schooling apply for a longer period than 18 months. If you sign a pro contract you should be able to put aside some of that money, roughly $25,000 total, for post secondary.
NCAA hockey is better for the smaller kid who is a late bloomer. I get more kids are coming out of US schools but the best route to the NHL is still junior hockey.
Anyways glad PC won. Maybe now their Calgary Flames prospect will get some love.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2015 14:41:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, enj, as to Tier 2 juniors eligibility. Does this mean that there are no financial monthly stipends for Tier 2 players? Maybe the lack of stipend is the reason why Tier 2 players can later play with NCAA scholarships.
All this minutiae makes my head hurt.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 12, 2015 15:01:11 GMT -5
Junior A is OHL, WHL and the Q. 16-19/20. Kids make maybe $100 a week.
Junior A Tier two is where kids play before A. Kids can be 15 and the odd 21 year old. They don't get paid. Some leagues actually charge. Maybe the top few kids get an added bonus u see the table. This is where kids looking to go NCAA play.
Junior B/C. Expenses paid top kids get a little bit of money. Lower levels. Very rare kids play B and get scholarships but not unheard of.
Because OHL kids get money they are not considered amateur. This lawsuit will make some interesting changes. Some that could affect the NCAA.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 13, 2015 11:45:28 GMT -5
U R right. I talked to some parents from the Minn Gophers hockey team. His son is 24, has taken only one course each of he last 4 semesters, will graduate and is a first round draft pick whose option runs out August 1st. It is time for the NBA and NHL owners to fund minor league teams like baseball does and let college sports remain amateur.The discrepancy between the way college hockey players are treated vs. college football and basketball players do seem strange, but college hockey does not function as a free minor league the way NCAA basketball and football do. There do seem to be more college players in the NHL now than years ago, but there actually is a professional minor league system. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 15, 2015 18:10:59 GMT -5
PC goalie Jon Gillies signed a three-year contract today with the Calgary Flames, and has joined them as a third goalie for the playoffs.
While he was probably NHL bound anyway before the championship this past weekend, he ought to send a thank-you card to Matt O'Connor (who is himself in negotiations for an NHL deal).
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