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Post by Thomas on Sept 9, 2015 21:02:38 GMT -5
Elvado, EVERYBODY else in the bullpen is just as bad as Storen!!! You have to feel a little bad for Matt Williams in these situations.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2015 21:10:43 GMT -5
Never. He snarled at my 10 year old who had the temerity to ask for an autograph. He is a jerk anddeserves every second of this.
More importantly he had to know better tha.n to feed Storent to Cespedes again. He is a really bad manager.
Hope he keeps his job forever.
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Post by Thomas on Sept 9, 2015 21:30:28 GMT -5
Never. He snarled at my 10 year old who had the temerity to ask for an autograph. He is a jerk anddeserves every second of this. More importantly he had to know better tha.n to feed Storent to Cespedes again. He is a really bad manager. Hope he keeps his job forever. Yeah, I read about Matt Williams being a jerk to your son when you posted it earlier. But a little part of you has to feel bad for Matt Williams when he looks to his bullpen and realizes EVERY available pitcher is terrible!! Matt Williams must have realized the impending doom that was coming when he had to take out Strasburg after he gave up the game-tying homerun in the top of the 8th.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2015 21:36:00 GMT -5
The simple point is that a gassed Strasburg was still a better choice than Storen right there. Storen looked like he was going to soil himself at the prospect of facing Cespedes and then hung that pitch .
The only thing funnier than watching the befuddled manager was listening to those ham and eggers Carpenter and FMe Santangelo talk about getting Storen back on the horse. They might be the worst announce team in MLB and that is saying something.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 9, 2015 21:37:41 GMT -5
I know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In that context, Matt Williams was crazy to bring in Storen to face Cespedes again. Alternatives? Blake Treinen had pitched well on Monday (he was the only Nat reliever who did the job). Perhaps Tanner Roark, although he is moving into the rotation in place of Joe Ross. Maybe you leave Strasburg in. . .because he had handled Cespedes with the curve all night.
Let's face it. Everything Williams tried, strategy-wise, in the series backfired. He made Terry Collins, who is not a wizard in the dugout by any stretch of the imagination, look like freakin' Miller Huggins. I can't imagine what the Nationals clubhouse was like after this game got away as badly as the prior two.
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Post by guru on Sept 10, 2015 7:09:25 GMT -5
The simple point is that a gassed Strasburg was still a better choice than Storen right there. Storen looked like he was going to soil himself at the prospect of facing Cespedes and then hung that pitch . The only thing funnier than watching the befuddled manager was listening to those ham and eggers Carpenter and FMe Santangelo talk about getting Storen back on the horse. They might be the worst announce team in MLB and that is saying something. You are one odd poster. Piety and platitudes in one post, vulgar and crass in the next. For the record, I agree with you on Williams. He's terrible.
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Post by guru on Sept 10, 2015 7:14:39 GMT -5
I know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In that context, Matt Williams was crazy to bring in Storen to face Cespedes again. Alternatives? Blake Treinen had pitched well on Monday (he was the only Nat reliever who did the job). Perhaps Tanner Roark, although he is moving into the rotation in place of Joe Ross. Maybe you leave Strasburg in. . .because he had handled Cespedes with the curve all night. Let's face it. Everything Williams tried, strategy-wise, in the series backfired. He made Terry Collins, who is not a wizard in the dugout by any stretch of the imagination, look like freakin' Miller Huggins. I can't imagine what the Nationals clubhouse was like after this game got away as badly as the prior two. What's amazing is that with a competent manager the Nats could well be on a 10 game tear and be tied with the Mets. I realize that's the rosiest possible scenario, but the Nats blew two late leads against the Cardinals and then blew three straight against the Mets, and sandwiched between that was the sweep of the Braves. The bullpen is terrible, but Williams has made zero adjustments to deal with the deficiencies. In the end, the Mets are playing better and are the better team right now, but the Nats manager may as well be working for the opponent.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 10, 2015 7:40:22 GMT -5
Williams' post game last night was priceless when he talked about looking in the mirror and doing what he could to help the team win.
Perhaps he ought to call in sick...
The Mets fans in the park, and there were plenty, were begging him to lift Strasburg. The cherry on top of the sundae was when he went to Storen.
Mets should vote Matt and Drew shares if they get post season money.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 10, 2015 7:55:05 GMT -5
It's one thing to continually go by the book and have things not go right. You may be subject to criticism but it's hard to say objectively that what you did was conclusively wrong. It's safe, maybe not the ideal approach, but probably not the worst either.
It's another thing altogether to make a series of decisions that not only aren't "by the book" but don't make any strategic sense whatsoever. To that end, Williams has violated the fundamental job of a manager, which is the same as a doctor's: First, do no harm.
He's mangled his bullpen use nearly all year by sticking to (outdated) conventional wisdom regarding roles. Wrong, in my view, but not a hanging crime. Using Storen last night (and bunting Rendon the night before) was a hanging crime. You don't "build confidence" in your player in the single most important game of the season to that date. This isn't spring training. It's not April. It's not June. It's not even August. I'll grant that you probably aren't going to make a late run unless Storen is part of the solution, but start that process after the Mets leave town.
It's disheartening to think that if even one of those games is reversed, the Nats are disappointed but sit only five out. That's still a significant deficit, but when you consider they play them three times to close the year, it means that they would only needed to have picked up two games over the next 20 games to at least have a shot. Wouldn't have been easy, but certainly would have been possible.
Now? You need to pick up four games over 20 games, which is much harder obviously.
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Post by Thomas on Sept 10, 2015 8:06:25 GMT -5
The simple point is that a gassed Strasburg was still a better choice than Storen right there. Storen looked like he was going to soil himself at the prospect of facing Cespedes and then hung that pitch . The only thing funnier than watching the befuddled manager was listening to those ham and eggers Carpenter and FMe Santangelo talk about getting Storen back on the horse. They might be the worst announce team in MLB and that is saying something. Yeah, it was funny listening to FP praise Matt Williams for putting Drew Storen back in there and then hearing FP's(or was it Carpenter) monotone/depressing call of the Cespedes 2-run homer moments later. But I like HOMER announcers, though. I prefer the fanboy cheering and sorrow over the national announcers who just read up on the teams they are covering a few days in advance. Ray Knight's look of disgust and anguish is also pretty funny too!!
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 10, 2015 20:01:38 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah, Mets fans. Go to Chicago if you want to experience real baseball fan suffering. Or Cleveland. At least the White Sox finally won before my dad passed, thank goodness. I spent three years in Cleveland, arriving just after the NHL put the Barons out of business and merged the team with the North Stars. I endured three seasons of lousy Indians baseball with Jeff Torborg managing (or mismanaging, as the case may be). On top of the putrid Ted Stepien-owned Cavaliers and the the original edition of the Browns, before Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and broke hearts in the Rust Belt. I wholeheartedly agree that being a pro sports fan in Northern Ohio is a punishment that no one deserves, even after the return of LeBron James to the Cavs. I still have a soft spot in my heart for those teams, and for my midwestern friends who live and die with each season. But let us Mets fans enjoy this season without criticism. nj, I don't begrudge the Mets fans anything. The Mets are having a great season, they have a bunch of good young pitchers, and for a team that couldn't hit at all, they've been hitting like crazy for the last six weeks or so (maybe longer). The trades they've made have really paid off. So the Mets fans should revel in it. It's just that these "oh, it's about time, we've suffered so much" posts are unseemly and unnecessary.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 12, 2015 9:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Sept 12, 2015 10:23:34 GMT -5
Thomas Boswell is a terrific writer. However, even in last year's Manager of the Year season, Williams showed an abject inability to manage a bullpen.
His team has been decimated by injuries. This year, but he has exacerbated the situation with repeated bungles of his bullpen. Anyone who watched the Mets series knows that Drew Storen had no chance, repeat no chance against Cespedes the other night after his tragi-comic inning on Tiesday. But Matt ran him right back out there and Cespedes roofed one.
Moreover, while it would clearly have been "against the book", Cespedes is mashing against righties and struggle against lefties. Given that Storen had failed the night before., maybe the Manager of the Year would put down the "book" and engage his brain. Nope.
Full disclosure. I think he is a dick for how he treated my son. He has been awful over the last few weeks.
PS Rizzo did him no favors bringing in PapelEdited.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 12, 2015 13:51:06 GMT -5
Elvado, I think you're blocking and holding back. How do you really feel about Matt Williams?
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 12, 2015 22:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Sept 13, 2015 5:31:58 GMT -5
He is in an even more exclusive club: 500 HRs, 3 WS rings and a juicer.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Sept 13, 2015 7:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Sept 13, 2015 10:44:02 GMT -5
Now there is a ringing defense. I have never been upset by juicing. However, let's all be grown ups about putting Ortiz in the company of those other three...
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 13, 2015 11:08:01 GMT -5
I believe that David Ortiz will be treated in the same manner as Mike Piazza has been treated by Hall of Fame voters.
Piazza was arguably the greatest hitting catcher of all time, and has been tarnished by unfounded rumors of PED usage (well, there are numerous reports concerning his acne-scarred back). He should have been a first-ballot electee, but fell far short of the 75% threshold. Piazza's ballots have been increasing every year, and he should finally be elected this coming year.
Ortiz may have a little more baggage, but not at the level of McGwire, Clemens, Sosa et al. Should Ortiz be elected? Heck, Rabbit Maranville is in the Hall of Fame, so there's no basis for rejecting Ortiz. Based on on-field performance alone, he should be there. I have a separate issue with the election of DHs to the Hall of Fame (no DH should be elected to the Hall of Fame unless Edgar Martinez is elected). Ortiz will just have to wait, like Piazza, for several years before the doors open up for him.
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