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Post by kchoya on Apr 8, 2015 13:13:43 GMT -5
When did American colleges and universities become the breeding grounds for such cowardly, insulated young men and women that are hyper-sensitive and afraid of any divergent viewpoints or a healthy debate on important topics? The latest example, the University of Michigan: UMich Cancels Showing of American Sniper Due to Student ProtestBetween this and the recent ruckus at GU regarding the harmless editorial cartoon, I really feel for today's students. They will be woefully unprepared to thrive in the real world. This also reinforces how lucky we are to have JT2 and JT3 involved at the school. I truly think they force their players to be thoughtful members of society. I didn't agree with the movement of wearing the "I can't breathe" t-shirts, but I found the statements made by JT3 and the players to be thoughtful and reasonable and a good example of what representatives of a an institution of higher learning should be. BTW, the best part of the hullabaloo in Ann Arbor is the film they will be showing instead of American Sniper.
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Post by thebin on Apr 8, 2015 13:42:41 GMT -5
Disgusting self-congratulatory cowardice with more than a tinge of Orwellian thought-police. How can these clowns not see how bullying they are when they generate enough fake outrage to remove choices from those for whom they have decided to think? I'd bet my right arm less than 10% of these babies have seen the film they have proclaimed to dangerous for their fellow students to be exposed to. My feelings might be hurt- so get the pitchforks and burn that metaphorical witch before I get very mildly pre-offended due to my own misinterpretation and narcissism and self-entitlement. I must not be offended, so nobody gets to see it as long as the inmates are running the asylum.
Nice little modern-day book-burning Ann Arbor. Well done.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 8, 2015 15:18:53 GMT -5
Disgusting self-congratulatory cowardice with more than a tinge of Orwellian thought-police. How can these clowns not see how bullying they are when they generate enough fake outrage to remove choices from those for whom they have decided to think? I'd bet my right arm less than 10% of these babies have seen the film they have proclaimed to dangerous for their fellow students to be exposed to. My feelings might be hurt- so get the pitchforks and burn that metaphorical witch before I get very mildly pre-offended due to my own misinterpretation and narcissism and self-entitlement. I must not be offended, so nobody gets to see it as long as the inmates are running the asylum. Nice little modern-day book-burning Ann Arbor. Well done. Check your privilege. Not sure if that makes sense in this context, but it seems as obligatory in these discussions as the email sign-off "DPS canvassed the area with negative results."
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Post by thebin on Apr 8, 2015 15:50:07 GMT -5
"Check your privilege."
I'm not sure what this means?
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 8, 2015 15:54:53 GMT -5
Here you go: “Check Your Privilege” is an online expression used mainly by social justice bloggers to remind others that the body and life they are born into comes with specific privileges that do not apply to all arguments or situations. The phrase also suggests that when considering another person’s plight, one must acknowledge one’s own inherent privileges and put them aside in order to gain a better understanding of his or her situation. knowyourmeme.com/memes/check-your-privilege
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Post by thebin on Apr 8, 2015 16:03:13 GMT -5
Thanks SSHoya.
Had to go take a shower after reading through that tripe. And yet I don't in the slightest see how it is applicable here. Was a life of free speech devoid of virtual book burnings a privilege I grew up with in a free country and that we've "progressed" past? As far as I can understand the tortured language and negligible utility of that expression, it seems far more like part of the problem than a way towards a solution.
To that end...I'm guessing it was posted in jest? If yes....then indeed is all I can add.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 8, 2015 17:25:08 GMT -5
Thanks SSHoya. Had to go take a shower after reading through that tripe. And yet I don't in the slightest see how it is applicable here. Was a life of free speech devoid of virtual book burnings a privilege I grew up with in a free country and that we've "progressed" past? As far as I can understand the tortured language and negligible utility of that expression, it seems far more like part of the problem than a way towards a solution. To that end...I'm guessing it was posted in jest? If yes....then indeed is all I can add. Yes, jest it was. To be clear, it's undeniably true that people are born into different circumstances, and those circumstances impact their lives. But excessive privilege-checking leads to things like this: www.thehoya.com/i-was-mugged-and-i-understand-why/
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 9, 2015 9:07:50 GMT -5
I'm tired of outrage politics, as I refer to them.
It's not just the PC crowd, it's conservatives too. What do you think is at the core of these religious freedom acts or complaining about the War on Christmas or Gamergate (and men bitching about oppressive feminists) or whatever.
It's not just in universities; it's reflected in the groupthink of the internet and politicized news, etc.
People do not try to understand an alternate point of view, and groups who either are or feel they are oppressed engage more in tactics that make themselves feel better rather than effect actual change.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2015 10:51:29 GMT -5
I'm tired of outrage politics, as I refer to them. It's not just the PC crowd, it's conservatives too. What do you think is at the core of these religious freedom acts or complaining about the War on Christmas or Gamergate (and men bitching about oppressive feminists) or whatever. It's not just in universities; it's reflected in the groupthink of the internet and politicized news, etc. People do not try to understand an alternate point of view, and groups who either are or feel they are oppressed engage more in tactics that make themselves feel better rather than effect actual change. So, you're saying that people (of all persuasions) shouldn't be upset at this development? I guess Jim Harbaugh is part of the Internet groupthink. What a neanderthal. I would argue that those opposing the RFRA in Indiana and other places are the ones not trying to understand an alternate point of view. Instead, they simply shout bigot (or racist or whatever may apply) and that's the end of their "engagement." BTW, the University group backtracked and will be showing the movie.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2015 14:21:21 GMT -5
I'm tired of outrage politics, as I refer to them. It's not just the PC crowd, it's conservatives too. What do you think is at the core of these religious freedom acts or complaining about the War on Christmas or Gamergate (and men bitching about oppressive feminists) or whatever. It's not just in universities; it's reflected in the groupthink of the internet and politicized news, etc. People do not try to understand an alternate point of view, and groups who either are or feel they are oppressed engage more in tactics that make themselves feel better rather than effect actual change. I wonder why Christians would feel oppressed. link
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 9, 2015 16:27:27 GMT -5
I'm tired of outrage politics, as I refer to them. It's not just the PC crowd, it's conservatives too. What do you think is at the core of these religious freedom acts or complaining about the War on Christmas or Gamergate (and men bitching about oppressive feminists) or whatever. It's not just in universities; it's reflected in the groupthink of the internet and politicized news, etc. People do not try to understand an alternate point of view, and groups who either are or feel they are oppressed engage more in tactics that make themselves feel better rather than effect actual change. I wonder why Christians would feel oppressed. linkSo the head of Gordon College wants to be able to discriminate against LGBT people, but now everyone's mad that people don't want anything to do with his college? (And please spare me that it's not discrimination. Regardless of motivation, it's discrimination Definition.) I think some of the reactions are perfectly justifiable, and some are ridiculous (not hiring grads as teachers simply because the University President did that?). But it's not religious discrimination. It's Gordon College discrimination. I bet the school district employs plenty of Christians. So yes, I find the reactions by white men and Christians about being persecuted or the War on Christmas or whatever to be pathetic. Yes, there are times when these folks (of which I am one) are inconvenienced and perhaps even actually discriminated against, but it's a far cry from other groups experience on a daily basis still today. Someone above mentioned the real world. Every time I hear a dude cry about how he's been emasculated, all I can think is, "the only person who made you a whiny bitch was yourself when you complained that because men happen to be the butt of jokes in sitcoms and commercials. Grow the Edited up." Here's the real world truth: if you are white, or male, or Christian, you have it really good. Here's another truth: (almost) every thing you do affects other people and vice versa. When an action occurs that inflicts some kind of harm, society needs to make choices about which side is harmed worse. Every action or banned action is a restriction of liberty in some manner, no matter how extreme. This is no different. No one should be discriminated against because of sexual orientation, or gender, or religion, etc. But here's a situation where those in theory come into direct conflict. How do you resolve? It's a legit question in theory. But in reality, the supporters of the RFRA are made up of many of the same people who opposed gay marriage, who are pro-sodomy laws, etc. They are this University President who thought it was great to discriminate against some people but is outraged when it happened to him. They are the same people who saw no problem with separate but equal. And by and large, most people are hypocrites. If you are a literal follower of the Christian text, there's a whole lot of people you can't serve. You can't eat pork or shellfish. You can't sleep under the same roof as your wife when she's on her period. You have to stone disobedient children. I guarantee many of the politicians involved are having extra-marital affairs and sin every day without conscience. Does our favorite pizza place also refuse to cater weddings of couples that have had pre-marital sex? Do the politicians who support it favor the death penalty? Thou shall not kill. Are they hawks in congress? Do they turn the other cheek? Did the treat the least of their brothers as they would treat Jesus? Would they refuse to cater Jesus' wedding? This is not religion. This is outrage and grandstanding and culture wars. I love the massive amount of money that flowed in to support Memories Pizza ... I wonder how many of their donors made a similar donation to their local soup kitchen. I bet it's a low number. When I said I was tired of outrage culture, it was exactly this. Please explain to me how serving gay people is somehow a huge infringement on your beliefs when you are violating so many others? And if we get to choose what elements we believe in more, what's the line, KC? The old testament condones slavery. Perhaps Christians have a religious right to own people? To claim women as property? Can I start my own religion with my own rules? What if my religion, like certain ones out there, might justify murder? Can an extremist Christian or Muslim carry out a religious act of terrorism in the US and claim religious freedom? Free Exercise of Religious Freedom is not absolute: human sacrifice, nor bigamy nor a whole slew of things are legal in the US. It is always weighed against other rights. Always.
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Post by thebin on Apr 10, 2015 9:30:19 GMT -5
"Here's the real world truth: if you are white, or male, or Christian, you have it really good."
I was on board for the most part until I got to the above statement. You lost me right there with that silly canard. This idea of White Privilege is insanely over-stated and now it extends to males? I guess you and I don't live in the same country or year. Agree with much of the rest of your post but I'm sick to death of this bullshnit that white males have the good life handed to them on a silver platter in the back room of the Elks lodge when they turn 18. Try peddling that tripe in Appalachia for starters.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 10, 2015 9:50:57 GMT -5
"Here's the real world truth: if you are white, or male, or Christian, you have it really good." I was on board for the most part until I got to the above statement. You lost me right there with that silly canard. This idea of White Privilege is insanely over-stated and now it extends to males? I guess you and I don't live in the same country or year. Agree with much of the rest of your post but I'm sick to death of this bullshnit that white males have the good life handed to them on a silver platter in the back room of the Elks lodge when they turn 18. Try peddling that tripe in Appalachia for starters. Okay. That's fair. Amend my statement to assist for economics. And it's not right to make an absolute statement. Everyone's life can be hard. But all else being equal, I think it is easier to be white than black. For example.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 10, 2015 9:51:22 GMT -5
That's adjust for economics, not assist.
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Post by thebin on Apr 10, 2015 9:52:31 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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