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Post by daveg023 on Apr 6, 2015 22:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 6, 2015 22:54:53 GMT -5
Probably, yes. Providence depends on whether Dunn comes back. Butler should be in the mix too.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 6, 2015 22:58:05 GMT -5
Obviously this is the opinion of one ESPN writer, but surprised to see Villanova so high. Pre-DSR news, some on this board were adamant we were the preseason favorites in the conference over Nova, which was silly then, but nonetheless a point more then one person defended.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 6, 2015 23:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 6, 2015 23:35:23 GMT -5
We are one more excellent guard signing from the top 15
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Post by Just Cos on Apr 6, 2015 23:36:01 GMT -5
I agree that DSR meant not being included
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 6, 2015 23:36:35 GMT -5
Again next year is still a tune up to 2017. Keep the team together until then and watch a national power with enough depth to play pressing defense the entire game.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 6, 2015 23:37:35 GMT -5
Even in 2007 we did not have the depth which should be there in the 16-17 season.
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Post by Just Cos on Apr 6, 2015 23:39:17 GMT -5
I can't agree more on the defense thing. I look fondly on the days when I could tell whoever would listen that I wasn't worried because the defense would get the stop. Those were III's best years but hopefully not his last.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 7, 2015 5:33:52 GMT -5
Villanova that high is a joke unless Brunson is off the charts. They lost every single primary option to score. Ryan A without having to account for Hilliard? We'll see who is PoY.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 7, 2015 6:05:30 GMT -5
Again next year is still a tune up to 2017. Keep the team together until then and watch a national power with enough depth to play pressing defense the entire game. That last bit is kind of the hard part, isn't it? I said the same thing about the 2015-2016 season before last year
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Post by reformation on Apr 7, 2015 6:22:05 GMT -5
Somewhat stating the obvious but we need one of our returning frosh to develop into a real difference maker-also team defense needs a major step up in order to avoid a repeat of this season-elements are probably there sans real lights out shooter + potentially sketchy pg play--will be good test for JT111 on the player development side
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 7, 2015 7:10:23 GMT -5
We are one more excellent guard signing from the top 15 Watching last night's game really makes me think we need to get some of these athletic, can score at will guards in order to win. Even with Kaminsky playing well and Wisconsin taking Okafor and Winslow out of the game Duke was able to pull it out. The penetration and athletic play is nearly impossible to stop and Grayson and Jones were able to score at will. Each year it seems like it is an elite guard or two that needs to step up in order for their team to win.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 7, 2015 7:11:01 GMT -5
Again next year is still a tune up to 2017. Keep the team together until then and watch a national power with enough depth to play pressing defense the entire game. How does JT3 keep the team together? What didn't he do to keep DSR?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 7, 2015 8:00:59 GMT -5
Next year is not a tune-up. Ike could bounce and then we would be saying the following year is a tune up. That has gone on for too long.
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 7, 2015 9:03:46 GMT -5
I like that one too and would certainly be happy if it worked out that way. 5 Big East teams in the top 25 and not just near the bottom would be really good for the league.
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Post by canissaxa on Apr 7, 2015 9:39:35 GMT -5
We are one more excellent guard signing from the top 15 Watching last night's game really makes me think we need to get some of these athletic, can score at will guards in order to win. Even with Kaminsky playing well and Wisconsin taking Okafor and Winslow out of the game Duke was able to pull it out. The penetration and athletic play is nearly impossible to stop and Grayson and Jones were able to score at will. Each year it seems like it is an elite guard or two that needs to step up in order for their team to win. Not to pull a Bo Ryan here, but it's very hard to stop penetrating guards when attempts at defense are whistled repeatedly (more applicable to Grayson than Jones--he just hit some big buckets and Whisky defenders looked too tired to fight over the screens or show). I was yelling at the screen that Wisconsin needed to adjust to how the 2nd half was being called and drive more aggressively--then they did and still didn't get any whistles. And then the reviewed OTB play didn't get overturned despite Duke clearly touching it in one angle. Sort of a ridiculous discrepancy when you consider how infrequently Wisconsin fouled over the course of the season and the large preponderance of Wisconsin fans (since crowd noise influencing the ref's perceptions appears to be primary driver of home court advantage). Arg. Hate to complain about refs. I take it all back. Duke winning just makes me sad.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 7, 2015 10:18:38 GMT -5
Watching last night's game really makes me think we need to get some of these athletic, can score at will guards in order to win. Even with Kaminsky playing well and Wisconsin taking Okafor and Winslow out of the game Duke was able to pull it out. The penetration and athletic play is nearly impossible to stop and Grayson and Jones were able to score at will. Each year it seems like it is an elite guard or two that needs to step up in order for their team to win. Not to pull a Bo Ryan here, but it's very hard to stop penetrating guards when attempts at defense are whistled repeatedly (more applicable to Grayson than Jones--he just hit some big buckets and Whisky defenders looked too tired to fight over the screens or show). I was yelling at the screen that Wisconsin needed to adjust to how the 2nd half was being called and drive more aggressively--then they did and still didn't get any whistles. And then the reviewed OTB play didn't get overturned despite Duke clearly touching it in one angle. Sort of a ridiculous discrepancy when you consider how infrequently Wisconsin fouled over the course of the season and the large preponderance of Wisconsin fans (since crowd noise influencing the ref's perceptions appears to be primary driver of home court advantage). Arg. Hate to complain about refs. I take it all back. Duke winning just makes me sad. I didn't think it was wonderfully officiated game, that's for sure. But Wisconsin did settle for way too many outside shots, which obviously isn't going to get you to the line. That was particularly true of Dekker. He didn't really try to get to the basket at all -- or maybe he couldn't. And I thought Wisconsin fell into the same trap Gonzaga fell into: Just because you have a big size advantage doesn't mean that pounding it into the post is the way to exploit it. As for penetrating guards, sure, it's wonderful to have guys that are quick with the ball. But the real key (with T. Jones particularly, but also to some degree with G. Allen and certainly Winslow) is that they're legitimate perimeter threats. Having a quick guy that can get in the lane is one thing, but having a guy that the defense has to guard closely makes it so much better. And that's what Duke had. The bottom-line is that, regardless of position, you need upper-end talent to win, or at least it makes it a heck of a lot easier. It's easy to say "we need a top big man" or "we need a penetrating guard" or "we need another shooter." It's all true. But you just need a bunch of really good players! Sure, Michigan State got there. But the two teams playing last night had five guys that are projected first-round picks, and obviously Kentucky had a bunch, too. If you take away the international players, fully one-third of the projected first-round picks played in the Final Four. That's pretty amazing! When we got to the Final Four, we had two first-rounders (and other fringe NBAers getting significant PT). We had Monroe immediately thereafter, but since then, we've had, what, one first-rounder (Otto)? I know it's not rocket science, but the best way to give yourself the best chance is to have multiple sure-fire NBA players on the floor. Villanova had a great year and were a great team, but when push comes to shove, they had nobody on their team projected to go in the draft (let alone the first round). And so they're more susceptible to an upset.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 7, 2015 11:04:00 GMT -5
Again next year is still a tune up to 2017. Keep the team together until then and watch a national power with enough depth to play pressing defense the entire game. nothing is a tune up in college basketball anymore. Gotta go for broke every year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 7, 2015 11:26:11 GMT -5
Again next year is still a tune up to 2017. Keep the team together until then and watch a national power with enough depth to play pressing defense the entire game. nothing is a tune up in college basketball anymore. Gotta go for broke every year. This × 1000. It only takes one player deciding to leave early to kneecap the future plans and dreams.
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