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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 6, 2015 19:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 6, 2015 19:48:56 GMT -5
Portsmouth is just for seniors, correct? Also there's a Juwon Howard Junior on the list.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 6, 2015 20:09:09 GMT -5
Portsmouth is just for seniors, correct? Also there's a Juwon Howard Junior on the list. Yes, I think so. I think Portsmouth is for players to showcase themselves because it is anticipated that they won't be drafted and are looking to impress some NBA scouts to sign them as free agents.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 6, 2015 20:10:58 GMT -5
Good luck to our Hoyas.
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Post by joey0403p on Apr 6, 2015 21:05:22 GMT -5
Will josh get a look in the nba? He has size but not really for the nba?
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 6, 2015 21:13:38 GMT -5
Will josh get a look in the nba? He has size but not really for the nba? Sim Bhullar is in the Association. Somebody has to be able to body him up.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 6, 2015 23:24:13 GMT -5
Will josh get a look in the nba? He has size but not really for the nba? Good question. It's something I've wondered about too. Unfortunately, I have no idea how he translates to the pros.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 6, 2015 23:49:10 GMT -5
His defense is a serious problem. I have no doubt he could get some buckets in the league, but he can't guard anyone currently. NBA teams would run pick and rolls with his guy all day long and he just doesn't have the foot speed to slow someone down.
He'll get some looks, particularly if his conditioning keeps moving in the right direction. I wouldn't expect to see him drafted however.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 7, 2015 8:01:36 GMT -5
If Josh loses thirty pounds or more, he has a shot.
Unless and until then, he has no chance.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 7, 2015 9:03:08 GMT -5
If Josh loses thirty pounds or more, he has a shot. Unless and until then, he has no chance. I have to admit that i'll be a bit frustrated with Josh if he shows up at Portsmouth/NBA workouts 30+ pounds lighter than what he played at this year. When Austin graduated, he lost a bunch of weight leading into his NBA tryouts. I understand that the immediacy of NBA tryouts is likely a powerful motivator. But I would like to maintain the illusion that success in college play is just as strong a motivator for a heavy player to get themselves into shape. On the other side of this equation - Derrickson has clearly made a major commitment to his conditioning. the amount of weight he has lost during the course of his HS basketball season is pretty remarkable. The recent pictures of him posted on another thread look like someone photoshopped his head on another body - he has no bad weight at all, clear definition, etc. He is training for a half marathon - clearly he got the message. And note that his play really blew up in their final games, when he was MVP of their national tournament last month, putting up 25 points in a couple of consecutive games. I am eager to see Marcus this summer. He has always had the skill set, and was a top 20 prospect as a sophomore. But as others caught up with him physically, his advanced skills were not longer enough to dominate. Now that he is in shape, i really think he could be a great college player, the kind of guy who can contribute right away because of the advanced skills and years of high level HS/AAU competition and coaching.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2015 11:28:00 GMT -5
Will josh get a look in the nba? He has size but not really for the nba? Is my sarcasm detector off?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 7, 2015 11:31:57 GMT -5
If Josh loses thirty pounds or more, he has a shot. Unless and until then, he has no chance. I have to admit that i'll be a bit frustrated with Josh if he shows up at Portsmouth/NBA workouts 30+ pounds lighter than what he played at this year. When Austin graduated, he lost a bunch of weight leading into his NBA tryouts. I understand that the immediacy of NBA tryouts is likely a powerful motivator. But I would like to maintain the illusion that success in college play is just as strong a motivator for a heavy player to get themselves into shape. On the other side of this equation - Derrickson has clearly made a major commitment to his conditioning. the amount of weight he has lost during the course of his HS basketball season is pretty remarkable. The recent pictures of him posted on another thread look like someone photoshopped his head on another body - he has no bad weight at all, clear definition, etc. He is training for a half marathon - clearly he got the message. And note that his play really blew up in their final games, when he was MVP of their national tournament last month, putting up 25 points in a couple of consecutive games. I am eager to see Marcus this summer. He has always had the skill set, and was a top 20 prospect as a sophomore. But as others caught up with him physically, his advanced skills were not longer enough to dominate. Now that he is in shape, i really think he could be a great college player, the kind of guy who can contribute right away because of the advanced skills and years of high level HS/AAU competition and coaching. Sometimes it's a time thing. Quite a few players get into shape simply because they stop going to class and practice. They get professional help and can commit it to, not just because of motivation but because they are getting 8+ hours of their day back. That's one key reason why a lot of these kids don't even finish their junior year right away because they can focus. Stay in school and the schoolwork gets in the way. Even practice is usually focused on team dynamics -- not hardcore cardio and weights. Not saying a player can't get it shape. But there's a reason the off-season/summer is when it usually happens. -------------------- If I were an NBA team, here's what I do with Josh. Try to sign as an undrafted FA or at most a second-rounder if I don't need the pick. Incentive-laden contract with good money if he sticks in the NBA. Send to NDBL. Hire a personal chef/trainer to dog him constantly. Expect immediate results but help him step by step. I think Josh is a guy that needs to be supported every step of the way. He'll be a very good NBA player at 270-280. He can't contribute at his current weight. If he doesn't agree, no loss. If he does and it works, the couple of hundred thousand of initial investment for the trainer and for Josh's salary are worth it.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 7, 2015 11:38:47 GMT -5
I have to admit that i'll be a bit frustrated with Josh if he shows up at Portsmouth/NBA workouts 30+ pounds lighter than what he played at this year. When Austin graduated, he lost a bunch of weight leading into his NBA tryouts. I understand that the immediacy of NBA tryouts is likely a powerful motivator. But I would like to maintain the illusion that success in college play is just as strong a motivator for a heavy player to get themselves into shape. On the other side of this equation - Derrickson has clearly made a major commitment to his conditioning. the amount of weight he has lost during the course of his HS basketball season is pretty remarkable. The recent pictures of him posted on another thread look like someone photoshopped his head on another body - he has no bad weight at all, clear definition, etc. He is training for a half marathon - clearly he got the message. And note that his play really blew up in their final games, when he was MVP of their national tournament last month, putting up 25 points in a couple of consecutive games. I am eager to see Marcus this summer. He has always had the skill set, and was a top 20 prospect as a sophomore. But as others caught up with him physically, his advanced skills were not longer enough to dominate. Now that he is in shape, i really think he could be a great college player, the kind of guy who can contribute right away because of the advanced skills and years of high level HS/AAU competition and coaching. Sometimes it's a time thing. Quite a few players get into shape simply because they stop going to class and practice. They get professional help and can commit it to, not just because of motivation but because they are getting 8+ hours of their day back. That's one key reason why a lot of these kids don't even finish their junior year right away because they can focus. Stay in school and the schoolwork gets in the way. Even practice is usually focused on team dynamics -- not hardcore cardio and weights. Not saying a player can't get it shape. But there's a reason the off-season/summer is when it usually happens. -------------------- If I were an NBA team, here's what I do with Josh. Try to sign as an undrafted FA or at most a second-rounder if I don't need the pick. Incentive-laden contract with good money if he sticks in the NBA. Send to NDBL. Hire a personal chef/trainer to dog him constantly. Expect immediate results but help him step by step. I think Josh is a guy that needs to be supported every step of the way. He'll be a very good NBA player at 270-280. He can't contribute at his current weight. If he doesn't agree, no loss. If he does and it works, the couple of hundred thousand of initial investment for the trainer and for Josh's salary are worth it. If Josh can get to 270/280, I think he could be Nikola Pekovic. That's definitely worth that kind of investment
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 7, 2015 13:13:51 GMT -5
Forget Josh. Our best chance of getting someone into the league in this class is Brilly. He needs to play good D and show he can hit an NBA 3ptr.
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Post by turbohoya on Apr 7, 2015 13:18:34 GMT -5
Sometimes it's a time thing. Quite a few players get into shape simply because they stop going to class and practice. They get professional help and can commit it to, not just because of motivation but because they are getting 8+ hours of their day back. That's one key reason why a lot of these kids don't even finish their junior year right away because they can focus. Stay in school and the schoolwork gets in the way. Even practice is usually focused on team dynamics -- not hardcore cardio and weights. Not saying a player can't get it shape. But there's a reason the off-season/summer is when it usually happens. -------------------- If I were an NBA team, here's what I do with Josh. Try to sign as an undrafted FA or at most a second-rounder if I don't need the pick. Incentive-laden contract with good money if he sticks in the NBA. Send to NDBL. Hire a personal chef/trainer to dog him constantly. Expect immediate results but help him step by step. I think Josh is a guy that needs to be supported every step of the way. He'll be a very good NBA player at 270-280. He can't contribute at his current weight. If he doesn't agree, no loss. If he does and it works, the couple of hundred thousand of initial investment for the trainer and for Josh's salary are worth it. If Josh can get to 270/280, I think he could be Nikola Pekovic. That's definitely worth that kind of investment Pekovic has him by a couple inches at least Josh has to lose the weight and develop a game out to 10/15 feet... even lighter Josh would struggle to score just back to the basket in NBA
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Post by Buckets on Apr 7, 2015 13:38:53 GMT -5
I know this happens on the board every year but really, Joshua Smith in the NBA?!
Keeps moving?! It appeared to me and several others as though he gained weight this season. He had trouble staying on the court for a full 4 minutes between media timeouts at a college pace.
Thirty?! He was listed at 350. That might have been generous. Double this number just to cover weight issues.
Nikola Pekovic?! I hope you mean the terrible vintage this year and not the guy who averaged 17/9 last year.
We're talking about a kid who was 11th in RSCI the summer before his senior year and dropped to 18th by the final because of weight issues. So talented and well-regarded, but ultimately not a special talent (read: below Fab Melo), and he peaked 6 years ago. He's had weight issues for even longer than that. He was shown the door at UCLA. He repeatedly says the right things about working hard and getting in shape and then fails to follow through. The amount of resources people are suggesting dedicating to hold a 23-year-old man's hand are insane.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 7, 2015 14:01:07 GMT -5
I know this happens on the board every year but really, Joshua Smith in the NBA?! Keeps moving?! It appeared to me and several others as though he gained weight this season. He had trouble staying on the court for a full 4 minutes between media timeouts at a college pace. Thirty?! He was listed at 350. That might have been generous. Double this number just to cover weight issues. Nikola Pekovic?! I hope you mean the terrible vintage this year and not the guy who averaged 17/9 last year. We're talking about a kid who was 11th in RSCI the summer before his senior year and dropped to 18th by the final because of weight issues. So talented and well-regarded, but ultimately not a special talent (read: below Fab Melo), and he peaked 6 years ago. He's had weight issues for even longer than that. He was shown the door at UCLA. He repeatedly says the right things about working hard and getting in shape and then fails to follow through. The amount of resources people are suggesting dedicating to hold a 23-year-old man's hand are insane. The assertion "There's no way he can get his weight under 300 lbs" does not disprove the statement "At 280 lbs he could be a good NBA player"
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Post by Buckets on Apr 7, 2015 14:23:20 GMT -5
I know this happens on the board every year but really, Joshua Smith in the NBA?! Keeps moving?! It appeared to me and several others as though he gained weight this season. He had trouble staying on the court for a full 4 minutes between media timeouts at a college pace. Thirty?! He was listed at 350. That might have been generous. Double this number just to cover weight issues. Nikola Pekovic?! I hope you mean the terrible vintage this year and not the guy who averaged 17/9 last year. We're talking about a kid who was 11th in RSCI the summer before his senior year and dropped to 18th by the final because of weight issues. So talented and well-regarded, but ultimately not a special talent (read: below Fab Melo), and he peaked 6 years ago. He's had weight issues for even longer than that. He was shown the door at UCLA. He repeatedly says the right things about working hard and getting in shape and then fails to follow through. The amount of resources people are suggesting dedicating to hold a 23-year-old man's hand are insane. The assertion "There's no way he can get his weight under 300 lbs" does not disprove the statement "At 280 lbs he could be a good NBA player" I think you're better off hoping DSR learns to jump a foot higher or grows three inches than waiting for Josh to get to 280. Here's a scouting report on Smith: This scouting report is from August 2009.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 7, 2015 14:27:00 GMT -5
Forget Josh. Our best chance of getting someone into the league in this class is Brilly. He needs to play good D and show he can hit an NBA 3ptr. Probably has a better shot at the NFL, but I don't disagree.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 7, 2015 14:34:45 GMT -5
I know this happens on the board every year but really, Joshua Smith in the NBA?! Keeps moving?! It appeared to me and several others as though he gained weight this season. He had trouble staying on the court for a full 4 minutes between media timeouts at a college pace. Thirty?! He was listed at 350. That might have been generous. Double this number just to cover weight issues. Nikola Pekovic?! I hope you mean the terrible vintage this year and not the guy who averaged 17/9 last year. We're talking about a kid who was 11th in RSCI the summer before his senior year and dropped to 18th by the final because of weight issues. So talented and well-regarded, but ultimately not a special talent (read: below Fab Melo), and he peaked 6 years ago. He's had weight issues for even longer than that. He was shown the door at UCLA. He repeatedly says the right things about working hard and getting in shape and then fails to follow through. The amount of resources people are suggesting dedicating to hold a 23-year-old man's hand are insane. I don't know whether he works hard or doesn't work hard. I suspect none of us knows for sure. But it seems silly to simply reject out of hand the possibility that Josh has the sort of metabolism that makes permanent weight loss impossible, at least without the sort of time, money, and effort that a college student does not possess. I'm a skinny dude. I can eat whatever the hell I want and not exercise for a month and I simply don't gain weight. My sister-in-law eats nothing but cabbage (I'm exaggerating) and exercises constantly, and she's consistently gained weight over the past ten years. Why? Her metabolism has continually slowed further and further. I'm sure it's possible from a scientific perspective for her to burn sufficient calories to outstrip her intake, but it would literally mean quitting her job and spending her life on a treadmill. Again, I have no idea if that's Josh's issue, but it seems quite possible to me, given that he seemed to lose weight coming into the year after a few months where he had lots of free time and seemed to gain weight during the year when he couldn't possibly devote every waking moment to losing weight. That said, I agree that he'd have to lose a lot of weight to be a viable NBA contributor, and I just don't know if that's conceivable. I think he'd be a hell of a football lineman -- great footwork, excellent athleticism for his size, good vision.
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