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Post by justsaying on Mar 27, 2015 20:32:57 GMT -5
The first order of business for commissioner Ackerman at the conference meeting this year is to gather all the coaches together and ADs for those schools whose head coaching position that may be vacant for an address of the conference:
Points: • For all of the success of the conference during the regular season the performance as a whole in the NCAA’s is not acceptable. Being this basketball –centric conference we should be what all other conferences want to be. Be it fan or coach if your expectations are to win a first round game and be satisfied please keep that to yourself and please do not say that out loud. Let coaches in other conferences think that way but not this conference. If you expect mediocrity more than likely that is what you will get. This Big East is heading back to where people refer to it as THE BEAST. Get on board and ride the beast. • If your performances have been middle of the road then maybe you should spend some time with some of the NBA counterparts who had had success in the playoffs to help get additional input on the mentality of playoff or tourney play. The philosophy of regular season and tourney play are different and must allow for those differences. Some points of some successful coaches are that the last 1/3 of your regular season is coached different than the first 2/3. If in the last 1/3 you are teaching the concepts of offense and defense then you more than likely you will be in trouble during the tourney. Any concepts now will be held and further taught the next season. In this last 1/3 you are teaching athletes to take advantage of whatever their skill is that caused you to recruit them. To use their skill in as a free flowing manner as possible with what you have learned offensively and defensively to this point. • Tourney play is about team and individual matchups and you must take your advantage of your individual matchups regardless of the team matchups. Taking advantage of a mismatch , example the opposing defense has switched maybe a guard is now on an inside player and your players must immediately recognize that for easy basket, foul trouble on the opponent, or a plain good shot. Again if you having trouble with mismatch again maybe you should get some pro-ball experience on your club or spend time in the off season with successful professional pro coaches. When you refer to a team or a player as a matchup nightmare; that is one who know value of taking those advantages when you get them. • Success is aided by knowing your weaknesses, if turnovers is a weakness then work harder at recruiting players that shore up that area; if rebounding is it then must recruit better in that area; if it is inside play must recruit for that area…etc. In other words recruiting is where you take care of current weaknesses. • Commissioner’s job is to enhance the Conference product as much as possible and that is accomplished by each individual team and coach reaching the ultimate level of success by increasing their knowledge base of play and players and the players to be. • If the next level scouts are not considering at least 3-4 players from your conference for 1st round draft possibilities then the conference need to setup its recruiting footprint.
Commissioner then pulls each coach to the side and talk about product enhancement:
Villanova- guard play over the years has been very good, reliable and consistence inside play should be a priority; it is hard to shot your way all the through a tourney; need balance. Providence- much more is expected, underachieved for lineup. Turnover plagued. Up the recruit level. Gtown- turnovers, fouls plagued. Big man U should not become big man “Who”. Reputation was built on vaulted defense. St Johns – recruiting (not recruited) the last 1 ½ indicated coach not staying. Get someone who can recruit; know the area; fill the garden. Xavier- a lot of smack talking not to go further. S16 is ok need more. Creighton- must recruit Big East athletes; should not be looking to take a ballerina to a back alley brawl. DePaul- got to get someone who know and can recruit the home athlete first. No excuse a team in that area of the country near the bottom of any conference. Seton Hall – young team but still under achieved; need some calming experience on bench. Recruiting must continue. Marquette- previous coach probably planned to leave and planned not leave much behind; making moves to the positive; reserve comments to after next season. Butler – fair amount of success after change coach during the season – reserve comments to after next full season for coach.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 27, 2015 21:06:38 GMT -5
While she's at it, she should also tell them what kind of hand soap to have in their locker rooms.
I don't think the league commissioner is going to be micromanaging each team. Also, any coach who receives the "advice" that "recruiting must continue" would be justified in punching the advice-giver in the mouth.
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Post by justsaying on Mar 27, 2015 21:19:28 GMT -5
If you are satisfied with your current hand soap; the way it smells; the way it washes; and the "results" then keep using that soap and no reason to change.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2015 22:16:14 GMT -5
The commissioner's job is to set up the conference for success by providing a solid infrastructure and environment for success. It is up to the individual schools to succeed within that environment - the commissioner should not be telling specific universities what strategies to be using on the court (if anything it would be a huge conflict of interest).
One thing the commissioner can do is stress good out of conference scheduling so that the conference can maintain a high RPI, which in turn helps the conference get NCAA bids.
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 27, 2015 22:31:27 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. The commish isn't going to micromanage game plans. HOWEVER, if she has had her eye on such things, she could bring the hammer down on officials hired to do Big East games if they're doing a lousy job. That would seem to be within the Commish's purview.
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Post by nathanhm on Mar 28, 2015 8:20:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't it just be easier for the commish to just forward the teams justsayin's post so they know how to become final 4 teams next season?
Personally I think we should hide this post in case other conferences figure out you can become elite basketball programs from message board advice.
Just sayin...
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 28, 2015 8:21:46 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. The commish isn't going to micromanage game plans. HOWEVER, if she has had her eye on such things, she could bring the hammer down on officials hired to do Big East games if they're doing a lousy job. That would seem to be within the Commish's purview. Critical point here. As a commissioner who is trying to promote the brand of the conference, it's not going to be easy to do that if officials are consistently sending each team's stars to the bench with foul trouble early in games. People watch games to see talent exhibited on the court, not free throw shooting contests between the 8th and 9th guys of each team's rotation. Now I don't know if this necessarily prepares the conference for the type of officiating they'll see in the tourney if they go back to the "no blood no foul" type of officiating we saw years ago, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. The commish can definitely have a hand in facilitating that.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 28, 2015 9:09:25 GMT -5
Wouldn't it just be easier for the commish to just forward the teams justsayin's post so they know how to become final 4 teams next season? Personally I think we should hide this post in case other conferences figure out you can become elite basketball programs from message board advice. Just sayin... I believe we need to be much more proactive. It is time for a new commissioner who knows everything that is needed to make this conference great. justsaying
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 28, 2015 9:11:19 GMT -5
And we need to work on our vaulted defense.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 28, 2015 10:47:14 GMT -5
Very lame thread. Commissioner can't make programs better. So many factors working against programs like ours and other BE schools. In fact, I would argue that getting a Commissioner involved in doing so can easily lead to Syracuse, UNC abuses. 30 years since a small, private school not named Duke has won a national championship. Conference Commissioner won't change that. What would? Major NCAA changes like freshmen ineligibility (no more one and done), 3 year matriculation requirement coupled with athlete stipend, scholarships awarded or lost based on graduation rates. I better stop. I'm becoming completely delusional.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 28, 2015 11:12:05 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. The commish isn't going to micromanage game plans. HOWEVER, if she has had her eye on such things, she could bring the hammer down on officials hired to do Big East games if they're doing a lousy job. That would seem to be within the Commish's purview. Critical point here. As a commissioner who is trying to promote the brand of the conference, it's not going to be easy to do that if officials are consistently sending each team's stars to the bench with foul trouble early in games. People watch games to see talent exhibited on the court, not free throw shooting contests between the 8th and 9th guys of each team's rotation. Now I don't know if this necessarily prepares the conference for the type of officiating they'll see in the tourney if they go back to the "no blood no foul" type of officiating we saw years ago, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. The commish can definitely have a hand in facilitating that. I think it might help in the tourney as well because the other conferences' officials must look at some stats before the games, meaning that this year, they knew for instance that Josh Smith could legitimately foul out before the 4-minute mark whereas Wisconsin players aren't going to foul at all. I'm not sure they consciously decide to call fouls consistently with how they've been called by the BE officials, but it must color how they view each player at tip-off time. If they walk onto the court thinking "That big guy is a foul machine," then of course they'll have the whistles ready. And as Bubb Rubb taught us all many years ago, "The whistles go 'woo!'"
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 28, 2015 12:27:28 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. The commish isn't going to micromanage game plans. HOWEVER, if she has had her eye on such things, she could bring the hammer down on officials hired to do Big East games if they're doing a lousy job. That would seem to be within the Commish's purview. Critical point here. As a commissioner who is trying to promote the brand of the conference, it's not going to be easy to do that if officials are consistently sending each team's stars to the bench with foul trouble early in games. People watch games to see talent exhibited on the court, not free throw shooting contests between the 8th and 9th guys of each team's rotation. Now I don't know if this necessarily prepares the conference for the type of officiating they'll see in the tourney if they go back to the "no blood no foul" type of officiating we saw years ago, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. The commish can definitely have a hand in facilitating that. It's a tough call (no pun intended) right? I thought there was this idea that the "no blood no foul" or at least more permissive BE officiating left us unprepared for how Roy Hibbert would be treated in the 2008 Tournament. Now, there may be a role for the Big East conference in encouraging a certain style of officiating, though it's really a John Cahill thing and not a Val Ackerman thing. I also don't know the extent to which conference coordinators of officials send down these kinds of directives to focus on certain points of emphasis in their specific conferences (the Mountain West should really have 50 point Rock and Jock baskets). It's probably better if that sort of thing comes from whoever succeeds John Adams next year as NCAA Coordinator of Officials, though the last round of those didn't go over well in 2013-14. The most direct thing the BE can do re: officiating is kinda boring: just make sure they keep using as quality a group of officials as possible. It's hard to conclusively rate officials because we never see their game evaluations, but the closest way is based on who gets NCAA Tournament assignments, especially on the 2nd weekend/Final Four. The Big East FWIW had the most officials* in the Sweet 16 (5) and at least three more are almost certainly working the Elite Eight. Plus, 10 of the 24 Sweet Sixteen officials worked games in the Big East this season. Of course, you see mixed crews in the NCAA, and the best way honestly to prep for that experience is getting into non-conference tournaments and playing on the road in non-conference games. Of the 7 officials we had in the Battle 4 Atlantis, 3 worked the Sweet 16 and the other 4 are probably working the Elite Eight. (*Based on where the official worked the most games this season)
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 28, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
I can only guess where JTII would have suggested the commissioner cram her remarks.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 28, 2015 14:02:08 GMT -5
Critical point here. As a commissioner who is trying to promote the brand of the conference, it's not going to be easy to do that if officials are consistently sending each team's stars to the bench with foul trouble early in games. People watch games to see talent exhibited on the court, not free throw shooting contests between the 8th and 9th guys of each team's rotation. Now I don't know if this necessarily prepares the conference for the type of officiating they'll see in the tourney if they go back to the "no blood no foul" type of officiating we saw years ago, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. The commish can definitely have a hand in facilitating that. I think it might help in the tourney as well because the other conferences' officials must look at some stats before the games, meaning that this year, they knew for instance that Josh Smith could legitimately foul out before the 4-minute mark whereas Wisconsin players aren't going to foul at all. I'm not sure they consciously decide to call fouls consistently with how they've been called by the BE officials, but it must color how they view each player at tip-off time. If they walk onto the court thinking "That big guy is a foul machine," then of course they'll have the whistles ready. And as Bubb Rubb taught us all many years ago, "The whistles go 'woo!'" Wisconsin players don't foul because they play pack the line defense. there are simply too many Wisconsin players in the paint to dribble penetrate against them or draw fouls. Pack the line also protects the bigs because the wings and guards becomes the first line of defense I the crowded box.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2015 15:26:31 GMT -5
The Commissioner's first line of business should be the need for more consistent officiating game to game. Someone wrote about the tough travel schedule for these refs who do it as a second job. Does the BE need more refs? Younger? The league needs to sit down with Cahill et al. and figure out how to help games be called more consistently.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 9:06:21 GMT -5
The first order of business for commissioner Ackerman at the conference meeting this year is to gather all the coaches together and ADs for those schools whose head coaching position that may be vacant for an address of the conference: Points: • For all of the success of the conference during the regular season the performance as a whole in the NCAA’s is not acceptable. Being this basketball –centric conference we should be what all other conferences want to be. Be it fan or coach if your expectations are to win a first round game and be satisfied please keep that to yourself and please do not say that out loud. Let coaches in other conferences think that way but not this conference. If you expect mediocrity more than likely that is what you will get. This Big East is heading back to where people refer to it as THE BEAST. Get on board and ride the beast. It appear the Big East AD's are satisfied with making the NCAA Tournament and then everything else is a bonus. Over the past 2 seasons the New Big East has put 10 teams into the NCAA's and 1 has made it to the Sweet Sixteen. Right now that is 10% of Big East teams making to the second weekend. I do not subscribe to the "Crap Shoot Theory" as this is discussing winning 2 games and not getting to a Final Four. I do believe that the Commissioner cannot do anything about better NCAA performances but it is rather up to the individual schools to emphasis better post-season achievements upon coaches and teams. Do you believe the lack of teams in the New Big East getting to the Sweet Sixteen is due to a lack of talent issue, coaching issue or another issue?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 30, 2015 9:27:17 GMT -5
It appear the Big East AD's are satisfied with making the NCAA Tournament and then everything else is a bonus. Over the past 2 seasons the New Big East has put 10 teams into the NCAA's and 1 has made it to the Sweet Sixteen. Right now that is 10% of Big East teams making to the second weekend. Ahhh, you're one of those people who just believe if you "don't accept" something it doesn't happen. Let me explain something -- in basketball, you play against other people. And those other people want to win, as well. And sometimes, they do. Weird, huh? To paraphrase Neil Tyson -- "Just because you don't believe in math, doesn't mean it doesn't exist." The tourney is not a crap shoot, but it is single elimination, which introduces high variability to results. Honestly, the only team that really underperformed this tourney was Nova. Are we indicting the entire conference on Villanova's loss? And how do you propose they do that? You're right -- the Nova AD should totally tell Jay Wright to try to win in the tourney. Overall? It's a talent issue combined with some bad luck. Villanova was the only team that was actually a Top 16 team. They played crappy and were out. Out of the rest, should we have expected more than Xavier? I mean, maybe one more. The Big East was good this year because we had a lot of Top 30ish teams -- GU, Xavier, Butler, Providence, and really no abysmally bad teams. Not because we had a lot of elite teams. Aside from Nova, this tournament performance should have been expected.
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 30, 2015 9:39:39 GMT -5
I would like them to explore how to eliminate the need for most referees to also carry second jobs.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 9:39:41 GMT -5
It appear the Big East AD's are satisfied with making the NCAA Tournament and then everything else is a bonus. Over the past 2 seasons the New Big East has put 10 teams into the NCAA's and 1 has made it to the Sweet Sixteen. Right now that is 10% of Big East teams making to the second weekend. Ahhh, you're one of those people who just believe if you "don't accept" something it doesn't happen. Let me explain something -- in basketball, you play against other people. And those other people want to win, as well. And sometimes, they do. Weird, huh? To paraphrase Neil Tyson -- "Just because you don't believe in math, doesn't mean it doesn't exist." The tourney is not a crap shoot, but it is single elimination, which introduces high variability to results. Honestly, the only team that really underperformed this tourney was Nova. Are we indicting the entire conference on Villanova's loss? Overall? It's a talent issue combined with some bad luck. Villanova was the only team that was actually a Top 16 team. They played crappy and were out. Out of the rest, should we have expected more than Xavier? I mean, maybe one more. The Big East was good this year because we had a lot of Top 30ish teams -- GU, Xavier, Butler, Providence, and really no abysmally bad teams. Not because we had a lot of elite teams. Aside from Nova, this tournament performance should have been expected. We have common ground agreement with Villanova under performing.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 30, 2015 9:44:45 GMT -5
Ahhh, you're one of those people who just believe if you "don't accept" something it doesn't happen. Let me explain something -- in basketball, you play against other people. And those other people want to win, as well. And sometimes, they do. Weird, huh? To paraphrase Neil Tyson -- "Just because you don't believe in math, doesn't mean it doesn't exist." The tourney is not a crap shoot, but it is single elimination, which introduces high variability to results. Honestly, the only team that really underperformed this tourney was Nova. Are we indicting the entire conference on Villanova's loss? Overall? It's a talent issue combined with some bad luck. Villanova was the only team that was actually a Top 16 team. They played crappy and were out. Out of the rest, should we have expected more than Xavier? I mean, maybe one more. The Big East was good this year because we had a lot of Top 30ish teams -- GU, Xavier, Butler, Providence, and really no abysmally bad teams. Not because we had a lot of elite teams. Aside from Nova, this tournament performance should have been expected. We have common ground agreement with Villanova under performing. And so did Virginia. And nearly every Big 12 school. Allow me to do to you what you constantly do to others and ask you very specific questions: (1) Should Jay Wright be fired? He's obviously underperformed constantly. (2) Should Providence be satisfied by what they've done the last two years. No postseason wins, right? Should its coach be fired? Should something else be done?
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