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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 30, 2015 11:08:37 GMT -5
The other added benefit is that Mullin has a strong connection to St. John's. If he is successful, I think he is a very low flight risk to leave St. John's for another college program. That long term stability could be key for St. John's, too. This could be a spectacular success or failure. I'm hoping for the former. He's not a huge risk to leave St. John's for another college program but if he is at all successful and gets the offers, he will move to the NBA.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 30, 2015 11:48:23 GMT -5
The other added benefit is that Mullin has a strong connection to St. John's. If he is successful, I think he is a very low flight risk to leave St. John's for another college program. That long term stability could be key for St. John's, too. This could be a spectacular success or failure. I'm hoping for the former. He's not a huge risk to leave St. John's for another college program but if he is at all successful and gets the offers, he will move to the NBA. While the NBA is always a possibility, he has already turned down NBA offers. Mullin wants to bring SJU AND the Big East back to prominence. He was very upset when that whole BE implosion happened...said it was a shame since the BE was the best basketball conference in the nation. He already has all the money he needs. At this point in his career, he wants to accomplish something big for SJU, for NYC basketball, for the conference and for college hoops. He won't be leaving for another college program any more than JT3 will. Smart guy, extremely knowledgeable basketball junkie and a nno-stop worker. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't have the Johnies nationally relevant again n a few years. And let's not forget, they play most of their home games in the mecca of basketball in the biggest media center in the world. NYC is still a bigtime college basketball town - just waiting for a team like St. John's to bring them something for which to cheer. Big time win for SJU and the BE.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 30, 2015 11:48:54 GMT -5
The other added benefit is that Mullin has a strong connection to St. John's. If he is successful, I think he is a very low flight risk to leave St. John's for another college program. That long term stability could be key for St. John's, too. This could be a spectacular success or failure. I'm hoping for the former. He's not a huge risk to leave St. John's for another college program but if he is at all successful and gets the offers, he will move to the NBA. And if that were to happen, it would mean that he did a great job bringing the Johnnies back to their former glory. That would be a huge win for the conference. Rising tide and all that.
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Post by TC on Mar 30, 2015 11:49:07 GMT -5
The other added benefit is that Mullin has a strong connection to St. John's. If he is successful, I think he is a very low flight risk to leave St. John's for another college program. That long term stability could be key for St. John's, too. This could be a spectacular success or failure. I'm hoping for the former. He's not a huge risk to leave St. John's for another college program but if he is at all successful and gets the offers, he will move to the NBA. I think they could live with that. What would be embarrassing would be to hire someone who bolts for a lower-rung ACC school if they're successful.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 30, 2015 12:14:20 GMT -5
This is a great hire. He is two different basketball Hall of Fames, played with the first NBA dream, and was an NBA executive for years. Yes he needs a good bench coach to help him a bit but he certainly has plenty of overqualified folks who will help him just to be a part of this.
These days many great NYC high school players are sucked out of the region to prep schools at a very early age - which may temper the significance of the following - he also played high school ball in the CHSAA for Xaverian as well as a bunch of the big AAU programs. All sorts of CHSAA players go to D1 schools every year.
I am particularly confused by the references to "recruits not knowing who he is" - compared to who? Danny Hurley? Steve Masiello? Outside of a handful of highly prestigious coaches - Coach K, Calipari, Pitino- who would never take the St. John's job, Mullin will be better known in about two weeks than any coach they could possibly have hired.
The AAU and CHSAA and NY Public school scene are filled with coaches, parents, and assorted hoops junkies in their mid 30's through mid 60's who think this guy is a god. Mullin will recruit really well. I just hope that he can get through next year as the team looks barren -
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 30, 2015 15:56:43 GMT -5
Numerous reports now being broadcast that St. John's and Chris Mullin have agreed upon terms, and that he is presently on his way to New York for the introductory press conference.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 30, 2015 16:20:00 GMT -5
How would we feel, if, we were in SJU's shoes. We'd just come off another disappointing season with seemingly no direction and no plan. Some top names are out there, but surprisingly, Georgetown hires Patrick Ewing. Obviously THE Hoya of all time but he has no head coaching experience and certainly no college hoops coaching experience. The average 16 year old recruit has heard of him, but certainly hasn't watched him play. How would we feel about this hire? My guess is we'd all being excited but nervous. Huge upside but imagine the downside if he fails? Is there a day when we are booing Ewing and asking if his seat is hot? I think this is how SJU fans feel right now.
(Obviously this is all based on the scenario that JTIII was never born and therefore could not have been our coach.)
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Post by gujake on Mar 30, 2015 17:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 30, 2015 19:39:34 GMT -5
I think this is great news for St Johns and the BE. Sure, he could fail.....but other than the top, top guys, who couldn't fail? In contrast, who can bring the level of excitement to St John's basketball better than their greatest player? How many old school fans out there have drifted away from the program and will now be brought back in? Obviously we have to wait to see how this will all work out over the next few years, but it seems like a great move. DePaul on the other hand?? UGH.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 30, 2015 21:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 30, 2015 22:13:01 GMT -5
If they play their cards right, Chris Mullin will be the in studio guest during the Final Four. What better way to promote St. John's and the Big East.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:46:24 GMT -5
Programs succeed with great coaches and great recruiters, not great ex-players.
This may work out, but it has nothing to do with hype surrounding Mullin himself. That'll wear off after the first game.
This looks far more like Clyde Drexler than Fred Hoiberg to me.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 30, 2015 22:51:45 GMT -5
Programs succeed with great coaches and great recruiters, not great ex-players. This may work out, but it has nothing to do with hype surrounding Mullin himself. That'll wear off after the first game. This looks far more like Clyde Drexler than Fred Hoiberg to me. Supposedly he has a monster staff in place. Guys like PJ Calesimo, monster recruiter Slice from Kentucky and the monster recruiter Abdelmassih at Iowa State.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 23:12:31 GMT -5
Programs succeed with great coaches and great recruiters, not great ex-players. This may work out, but it has nothing to do with hype surrounding Mullin himself. That'll wear off after the first game. This looks far more like Clyde Drexler than Fred Hoiberg to me. Supposedly he has a monster staff in place. Guys like PJ Calesimo, monster recruiter Slice from Kentucky and the monster recruiter Abdelmassih at Iowa State. Hopefully that's true. If this thing had to go all one way or all the other, I'd prefer St Johns be a dominant team instead of a bottom feeder. But for a team that's been over .500 in the BE during Lavin's 5 years, this move sure seems like an all-in proposition. They couldn't find a proven coach that could come to MSG and at least do that well? Or close? Do they think they deserve more than 2 NCAA apps in a 5 year span? SJU is acting like Mullin was the one card they had left to play. If this doesn't work, they could be in far more trouble than they are now.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 31, 2015 7:35:05 GMT -5
I like the move. Mullin has experience running and consulting to NBA clubs, so I believe he'll figure out how to run a college program. The potential upside is off the charts. Regardless of the outcome, I believe the decision is a sound one.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 31, 2015 8:21:56 GMT -5
NO clue if it is a good move or not. I do know this, for some reason I always liked Chris Mullin, even when he was hitting jumpers against the Hoyas, and rooted for him against the rest of the BE, and when he became a pro. Glad he is getting this chance and wish him the best.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 31, 2015 8:26:50 GMT -5
I like the move. Mullin has experience running and consulting to NBA clubs, so I believe he'll figure out how to run a college program. The potential upside is off the charts. Regardless of the outcome, I believe the decision is a sound one. I'm not sure I'd put his consulting experience in the positives column. He was the third guy Ranadive hired after the coach and GM (in that order) a year and a half ago, and that Kings group is in the midst of one of the more bizarre NBA seasons in recent memory. A brief recap: Sim Bhullar, fired their head coach after an 11-13 start, discussion of implementing a cherry-picking based offense because it worked when the owner coached his daughter's middle school team, a bizarre front office power struggle, fired the second head coach, and Mullin seeming as if he might be on the way out due to the hiring of Vlade Divac. The Kings have, to put it lightly, not figured out how to run an NBA program. Which isn't to say that I think it's a bad hire, it's just swinging for the fences. This has the potential to go right but it also has the potential to go catastrophically wrong. If you go back and read the Lavin thread from five years ago, you'll notice two things. One, you have to start on page five because like a dozen people that the NY press said were interested in the job publicly turned it down. Two, a lot of the positives mentioned this time around (NY AAU coaches being excited, maybe doesn't have the coaching chops but will recruit great, assembling a super staff although this super staff doesn't include Dave Leitao) were the same last time around, and the Lavin era wasn't exactly fantastic.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 31, 2015 9:29:56 GMT -5
Recruiting will be key. He will need to win some battles against Kentucky & Louisville who have been plucking NYC metro talent for awhile now. He will also need some class balance which Lavin never did assemble to stay relevant most years.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 31, 2015 9:47:51 GMT -5
If we get in a recruiting battle with St Johns, can we hire David Wingate to elbow Mullin out of the way?
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