TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 26, 2015 10:50:51 GMT -5
Porter average just under ten points a game his freshman season. Copeland just under 7. By the end of his freshman season, Porter was going double figures pretty much every game. Copeland had flashes, but freshman Porter was a lot better. EDIT: As for Whittington (!) being a bigger freshman contributor than Porter, it's not even close. Whittington scored in double figures 3 times all season. Porter? 14. And as you mention, Porter had 2.5x as many rebounds that season. I'm not going to disagree but have a look at their stats adjusted per 40. Otto played a lot more minutes than Isaac. Otto was a very good defensive player almost immediately. Isaac struggled with defense this year. That's why Otto played a lot all year--there are two sides to the court.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 26, 2015 11:06:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to disagree but have a look at their stats adjusted per 40. Otto played a lot more minutes than Isaac. Otto was a very good defensive player almost immediately. Isaac struggled with defense this year. That's why Otto played a lot all year--there are two sides to the court. Agreed. Otto was also the better rebounder. I doubt Isaac will ever be the rebounder than Otto was. That kid just knew where to be as soon as a shot went up. That said, in just about every facet of the offensive game (except maybe the mid-range as Otto had that on lock from day one), Isaac has the tools to be better than Otto. He will also likely be a better shot blocker and has the agility to be a solid defender as well. They're very different players. I was only attempting to add to a discussion about offensive numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 12:05:52 GMT -5
I watched the final game at Cuse last night and I think we need to stop comparing Isaac to Otto.. Otto’s motor was on another level, he never stops moving and he was so efficient scoring the basketball..
However Greg Whitt made a nice jump Freshman to Sophomore also and he played less and had a smaller impact than all the Frosh except arguably Campbell.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 26, 2015 12:15:28 GMT -5
For comparisons of teams past I think of Ike as the Sultan of Brunei's Brandon Bowman.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 26, 2015 12:37:30 GMT -5
For comparisons of teams past I think of Ike as the Sultan of Brunei's Brandon Bowman. So... the reverse "poor man's" BB. Sorry GIGA, took me a moment to realize what you were getting at. But it's a good observation.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 26, 2015 13:12:16 GMT -5
I watched the final game at Cuse last night and I think we need to stop comparing Isaac to Otto.. Otto’s motor was on another level, he never stops moving and he was so efficient scoring the basketball.. However Greg Whitt made a nice jump Freshman to Sophomore also and he played less and had a smaller impact than all the Frosh except arguably Campbell. Taking a game fr the end of his soph season to compare what the showed as a frosh? How does that make sense?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 26, 2015 13:38:21 GMT -5
If Ike becomes as good as sophomore Otto, we will be very good. If he becomes better, we will be great. That is enough.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 26, 2015 15:23:30 GMT -5
I recall starting an Otto thread in early December of his freshman year saying this kid is going to be special...probably like I would have been tempted to do about Peak after his first game.
I really like what I saw from Ike as the season progressed, but Otto was special in my opinion from the very, very beginning.
Ike certainly can become a phenomenal player for us, but let's let him be Ike and not Otto.
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 26, 2015 15:35:22 GMT -5
For comparisons of teams past I think of Ike as the Sultan of Brunei's Brandon Bowman. Minus the throw dribble.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 26, 2015 16:12:39 GMT -5
Good Ike/ Great Ike?
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2015 21:42:14 GMT -5
Porter average just under ten points a game his freshman season. Copeland just under 7. By the end of his freshman season, Porter was going double figures pretty much every game. Copeland had flashes, but freshman Porter was a lot better. EDIT: As for Whittington (!) being a bigger freshman contributor than Porter, it's not even close. Whittington scored in double figures 3 times all season. Porter? 14. And as you mention, Porter had 2.5x as many rebounds that season. I'm not going to disagree but have a look at their stats adjusted per 40. Otto played a lot more minutes than Isaac. That's because he was a lot better.
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2015 21:44:21 GMT -5
Whoa. That team had a frontcourt with five guys who played some minutes in the NBA, including an All Star center and a respected NBA starter. Also had the best shooter in the JT3 era (not sure what the stats say...but our eyeballs loved Wallace) and good guards in Sapp and , defensively, Rivers. I am going to bet next year's team is NOT that good. Next years team has a chance to be better than any team III has had outside of the 2007 team, no question in my mind. I won't say it will be AS good as the 2007, because Roy made that team special defensively with his lane clogging and rim protection. Next years team won't have that kind of a defender, but it WILL have that kind of overall talent. You've been pretty consistently bullish on the hoyas the last few seasons right? I applaud the optimism and wish I shared it. To be better than 2007 (while remotely possible I guess) would require so many things happening it just seems a little silly. But here's hoping.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 26, 2015 21:59:32 GMT -5
I hope Ike's a lot more consistent next yr. No games where he is not a factor.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2015 22:05:32 GMT -5
Otto's ball anticipation was way better too. If you watched he was always on his way to where the ball was going to be pretty much as a shot went up. One of the best I've ever seen in that regard.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 26, 2015 22:07:10 GMT -5
I hope Ike's a lot more consistent next yr. No games where he is not a factor. I think his consistency will come with added strength, and that should be his main area of emphasis this off season. He's got the tools, but if he and Paul White can get to the point where they don't get thrown off my big bodies, they will be consistent factors.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 26, 2015 22:12:41 GMT -5
Before I descend into my summer hibernation, I have a couple questions for the board: 1. Do you think the 15/16 Hoyas will be a better team, equivalent, or worse team than the 14/15 team? 2. Will they be ranked in the preseason? By the end of the season? With my delusions of grandeur for this team crushed, I've realized I can't trust my optimism for next years squad. And I'm really optimistic right now, so I need some perspective here. I look at the promising freshmen class playing as sophomores and my delusions start developing. DSR returning for his senior year? oh yeah.... And the handcuffs finally coming off of Bradley "Mr. March" Hayes, I am getting giddy. Add a stud freshman center to back him up and I am now guessing that next years team will be far superior to the 14/15 team. If the premise that next years team should be better is true, then it would be reasonable to expect significant time in the rankings and increased chances for a longer run in the tourney. All this has me already looking to the future with a Better. Not ranked to begin season, yes ranked by end. I think the good recruiting means the ceiling is lifting. It will still take hard work and execution to reach it, but I do believe that with the young talent being assembled, led by a senior scorer, we will be solidly top 20 or better once guys find their roles, and I believe that will happen sooner rather than later.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 26, 2015 23:33:21 GMT -5
I'm not going to disagree but have a look at their stats adjusted per 40. Otto played a lot more minutes than Isaac. That's because he was a lot better. That's definitely one of the reasons. But the difference in the offensive numbers per 40 is surprisingly small outside of rebounding. Otto was one of the most polished, prepared freshmen I've seen at Georgetown. His feel for where the ball would be going was next level. I don't expect to see a Hoya freshman in his class in that regard. And he was engaged on defense from the get-go. That's unique for any freshman. I thank his family full of players and the fact that he didn't play AAU for that.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 27, 2015 0:42:43 GMT -5
Next years team has a chance to be better than any team III has had outside of the 2007 team, no question in my mind. I won't say it will be AS good as the 2007, because Roy made that team special defensively with his lane clogging and rim protection. Next years team won't have that kind of a defender, but it WILL have that kind of overall talent. You've been pretty consistently bullish on the hoyas the last few seasons right? I applaud the optimism and wish I shared it. To be better than 2007 (while remotely possible I guess) would require so many things happening it just seems a little silly. But here's hoping. 1) I didn't say they would be better. Read what I wrote. 2) Don't call what I write silly, because nothing I write is silly. 3) This team next season has a chance to be special. I didn't stutter. People on this board are unreal sometimes.....smh.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 2:38:15 GMT -5
I watched the final game at Cuse last night and I think we need to stop comparing Isaac to Otto.. Otto’s motor was on another level, he never stops moving and he was so efficient scoring the basketball.. However Greg Whitt made a nice jump Freshman to Sophomore also and he played less and had a smaller impact than all the Frosh except arguably Campbell. Taking a game fr the end of his soph season to compare what the showed as a frosh? How does that make sense? Because he didn’t all of a sudden have a great motor his Soph season he had a Great motor from day one..
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Post by dense on Mar 27, 2015 6:00:05 GMT -5
Every poster who is questioning whether Govan can score in the post hasn't seen him play enough or hasn't at all. Daytonahoya is right. I have 0 questions about his ability to score. It's the rebounding and defense that are the question. He can average 6-8 points a game on this team easily next year. I wouldn't be shocked by more even. The big question for me is minutes in the frontcourt. We have Ike and Paul who should be getting 30 minutes a game next year so there is not alot of time to go around. I also think we may see alot of DSR/Campbell/Peak when Ike and Paul are out. I think our rotation may be 10 players but I don't think more than 7 will see more than 8 minutes a game.
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