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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 20, 2015 12:23:29 GMT -5
From a personnel and pace standpoint does Utah remind anyone else of - gulp - Xavier? Someone please tell me how wrong I am. It's really difficult to lose to a team four times in a season.
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Post by 2010hoyasaxa on Mar 20, 2015 12:30:25 GMT -5
Reading the scouting report just posted makes me a bit nervous. Someone give me a reason to think we can win this game.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 20, 2015 12:48:25 GMT -5
[/quote]...but that dunk at the end was beautiful. Absolutely perfect. Didn't like when he did it against the Hall a few weeks back, but against that clown of a coach? The dude basically asked for it.
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Agree 100%. I was outspoken against it v SH (although noting at the time that there may be unusual circumstances where it was warranted). Never would have guessed such circumstances would arise 2 weeks later. Loved it last night - it was just perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 12:53:56 GMT -5
Games are all about Matchups… Don’t think you can count out Josh here, this is the type of game he can be really effective in..
EWU was not…..
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Mar 20, 2015 12:56:05 GMT -5
Reading the scouting report just posted makes me a bit nervous. Someone give me a reason to think we can win this game. I don't like this matchup either, but if Josh can win the battle against Poeltl and maybe get him in foul trouble, I think we can win. They don't seem to have much size behind Poeltl. Of course, that is a big if, and if that doesn't happen we're going to have to play a truly tremendous game to beat a really good Utah team.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 20, 2015 12:59:21 GMT -5
I have never,, ever, suggested that we needed to see more Bradley Hayes. However, after last night's game..I wonder if maybe the light bulb went on, or it was just one of those random moments of greatness that happen when you play sports. I wouldn't mind seeing a few minutes of Bradley tomorrow...of course the way our bigs foul, there may be no choice.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 20, 2015 13:08:38 GMT -5
Reading the scouting report just posted makes me a bit nervous. Someone give me a reason to think we can win this game. We actually match up well defensively at all positions. We are actually deeper at the guard positions. They don't really have an answer defensively for our forwards, especially Paul and Ike. We've fared well against equally good if not better competition. And of course, we have our (not so) secret weapon: Bradley Hayes.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 20, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -5
Reading the scouting report just posted makes me a bit nervous. Someone give me a reason to think we can win this game. I don't like this matchup either, but if Josh can win the battle against Poeltl and maybe get him in foul trouble, I think we can win. They don't seem to have much size behind Poeltl. Of course, that is a big if, and if that doesn't happen we're going to have to play a truly tremendous game to beat a really good Utah team. They have a 7' senior center coming off the bench.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 20, 2015 13:11:55 GMT -5
Reading the scouting report just posted makes me a bit nervous. Someone give me a reason to think we can win this game. We actually match up well defensively at all positions. We are actually deeper at the guard positions. They don't really have an answer defensively for our forwards, especially Paul and Ike. We've fared well against equally good if not better competition. And of course, we have our (not so) secret weapon: Bradley Hayes. This team generally plays up to competition other than the Nova blowout @nova. I feel good about this being a good, hard fought game with the outcome in doubt until the end. That's not to say it will be easy on the eyes.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 20, 2015 13:12:24 GMT -5
I have never,, ever, suggested that we needed to see more Bradley Hayes. However, after last night's game..I wonder if maybe the light bulb went on, or it was just one of those random moments of greatness that happen when you play sports. I wouldn't mind seeing a few minutes of Bradley tomorrow...of course the way our bigs foul, there may be no choice. Probably just right place, right time. He was pressed into action by the foul trouble, but Bradley fortuitously fit into a perfect situation for us. He had the size advantage to dominate the offensive glass, which was critical for us at that point because: (1) our rebounding effort to that point had been subpar; (2) we weren't shooting well at that point. It's such a randomly amazing stat line: 3-3 from the field, 2-2 from the line, all of it directly from offensive rebounds. Aside from his assist to Paul White, did Bradley make a single offensive move besides putting rebounds back on the glass? It seems less likely he'll be impactful against Utah because the size advantage won't be there...but the option's there and you never know.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 20, 2015 13:16:42 GMT -5
I don't like this matchup either, but if Josh can win the battle against Poeltl and maybe get him in foul trouble, I think we can win. They don't seem to have much size behind Poeltl. Of course, that is a big if, and if that doesn't happen we're going to have to play a truly tremendous game to beat a really good Utah team. They have a 7' senior center coming off the bench. I don't think he got much if any run against SFA. Obviously They didn't really need the size because SFA is so small but either way I don't think he's the guy that beats us.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 20, 2015 13:38:25 GMT -5
Utah defends -- Josh and Copeland absolutely have to contribute something, otherwise they clamp down on the shooters and there's nothing left to guard. Josh is a good kid but sometimes I wonder how much he really wants to play basketball. It's the NCAA tournament, and he's a very important player -- no one his size who is really into the game picks up his third foul nine seconds into the second half on a lazy reach-in fifteen feet from the basket. Utah's seven-footer will have him for dinner if he brings that kind of effort Saturday. Totally wrong. You're questioning his desire? Shame on you. He's a gentle giant that doesn't react the same way to a foul or a bad call the way, say Jabril does, or even AB (see last night). Jabril just gets Editeded and turns his intensity up to 11. Josh will raise his hand and sheepishly say "my bad" to JT3. They just have different temperaments. If you saw him before and during the game last night, you wouldn't be questioning whether he wants to play.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 20, 2015 13:40:26 GMT -5
Utah defends -- Josh and Copeland absolutely have to contribute something, otherwise they clamp down on the shooters and there's nothing left to guard. Josh is a good kid but sometimes I wonder how much he really wants to play basketball. It's the NCAA tournament, and he's a very important player -- no one his size who is really into the game picks up his third foul nine seconds into the second half on a lazy reach-in fifteen feet from the basket. Utah's seven-footer will have him for dinner if he brings that kind of effort Saturday. Josh's play last night was embarassing to say the least. The two quick lazy fouls, the 3rd foul was atrocious. He has 40 friends and family member there and that is what he does? Without a doubt that was the biggest negative of the game last night. I hope the team's gameplan against Utah does not rely on Josh to do anyting because he seems very disinterested in playing at this point. It will be tough since the Utes have size. I am hoping for some innovation by III tomorrow night, something a little different. Utah reminds me way too much of the type of team we struggle with. Embarrassing? No, you're post is embarrassing. He had an ineffective game. Where are your posts about Peak or Copeland embarrassing the program? The level of venom towards Josh on this board is astonishing.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 20, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
From a personnel and pace standpoint does Utah remind anyone else of - gulp - Xavier? Someone please tell me how wrong I am. So negative. Why do you even watch if you get no pleasure from following the team?
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Post by kchoya on Mar 20, 2015 13:47:32 GMT -5
Welp, here goes, one game to the sweet 16. It's going to be a tough one, because Utah is truly a good team. Not a great one, but definitely a good one. In Delon Wright, we may be facing the single best player that we've seen this season. So hope this helps, here is some of the stuff we should look for on Saturday. Offense - Everything runs through Wright when the Utes have the ball. They run a motion offense, a ton of pick and rolls and besides pace of play, Utah very much reminds me of an NBA type offense. They value spacing. They try to get the ball inside to Jakob Poeltl - their NBA prospect freshman center. They have great shooting on the wings in Brandon Taylor and Jordan Loveridge. They have a dirty work guy inside named Chris Reyes. A lot of talent, and yet Utah many times struggles mightily to score the basketball. Part of this is due to pace of play. 85 percent of their possessions go at least 25 seconds. And outside of Wright and Taylor, they don't have many guys who can go and get their own shots. Wright truly means everything to this team, and Taylor truthfully isn't that far behind. You take their offense and combine it with their defense, and this game on Saturday may struggle to get to the 60's. If we can find a way to score 70, it may be tough for the Utes to beat us. DEFENSE - This is where the Utes are elite. Wright is a plus defender. Taylor - for his lack of size - is a wonderful defender. Poeltl is a wonderful defender and Utah funnels a lot towards him and his shotblocking abilities. Schematically, the Utes play a lot of man, and will mix in some zone. They don't extend their defense all that often. They just lock up from the three point line down to the hoop. That said, not sure they've seen a guy like Josh Smith this season. They have seen a guy like DSR in Joe Young from Oregon. DSR isn't as aggressive offensively as Young, but he's got the same ability to break a team down like Young did, and the Utes really struggled with him twice this season. So how they defend DSR and who they defend him with will be interesting to see for sure. DELON WRIGHT - We've seen a Wright clone this season. He's an awful lot like Kris Dunn from Providence, only better IMO. Both are NBA guys, but Wright is a little more refined in his game. Wright is tall at 6-5, he's a wonderful point guard. He gets into the lane at will. He's by far the best Utah player in transition. He finishes at the rim, and he's a better shooter than his numbers suggest. He's simply a load. Defensively, he's one of the most opportunistic guys I've seen in a long time at the college level. He jumps passing lanes. He's an elite shotblocker for his position and he's an elite rebounder for his position. He's a triple double threat. He reminds me of a 6-5 Rajon Rondo. He's also a great foul shooter, so we want to keep him off the line. He'll make them. Does he have a weakness? Well, he doesn't shoot it great from three, and he doesn't attack offensively for 40 minutes. He's unselfish, almost to a fault. And defensively, while he's a great help defender, he's not a great man defender. I've seen guys get after him a little bit (Young, Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington).... BRANDON TAYLOR - Has had a career year. Is by far Utah's best perimeter shooter. He's small at 5-9, but he's great off the dribble, and he gets great elevation on his jumper, so people rarely bother his shot. He was a lot more like a spot up shooter in years past, now he gets to the basket and can finish. He's Utah's best perimeter defender as well. I think he actually may be the guy who matches up with DSR, not Wright. Taylor is in many ways the heart and soul of this team. He's the vocal leader on the floor (Wright is not very vocal) and he's the guy whom everyone listens to. He's in a lot of ways almost as important to this team as Wright is. He's made a ton of big shots this year, and he's as tough as they come. JORDAN LOVERIDGE - After Wright, he's the second best overall offensive talent on the team. He started his career as a power forward, and is now playing the three. Have to pay close attention to him because he can get hot from the perimeter and torch people. Has a high release point on his jumper, so he's hard to deal with. He can go inside and get it done as well. Is a junior, and has been at Utah since the days where Utah was awful.Whomever is guarding him can't give him too much room. He provides spacing with his shot. CHRIS REYES - Dirty work guy. Hustler. Small at 6-6, but very athletic and hard nosed. Isaac has to keep him off the glass, so that's a concern. He's not going to create offense against us, but he is more than capable of making his impact felt by generating extra possessions. Is a good post defender, and a guy who can block shots. JAKOB POELTL - Probably an NBA guy. Probably the most talented big Utah has had since Andrew Bogut. He's 7-0, very mobile and athletic. He's good on the block and good in pick and roll. He can do a lot of damage without needing the ball. Poeltl is foul prone. He spent most of Pac-12 conference season battling foul issues. He has Josh Smith syndrome: He gets called for a ton of BS because he's big, and guards run into him and flop and get the call. Him and Josh will be a key matchup. This game may very well hinge on which one of those guys can stay on the floor. Poeltl is a bad free throw shooter. So we have 15 fouls in the middle, and we should use them. DAKARAI TUCKER - He's the first wing off the bench for the Utes. Great three point shooter in the corners. Seriously, he's like 50 percent from the corners. Get him anywhere else and those percentages drop drastically. Not great off the dribble, but can get to the basket in a sneaky way. Is long and athletic. Is a very needed veteran presence. Brekkott Chapman - Very talented freshman off the bench. Very talented. left handed. Can play inside and out. Could become a star at this level. His problem now? Can't keep out of foul trouble. Has issues defending and rebounding. It's limited his playing time in recent weeks. But he's someone more than capable of scoring 15 points and coming out of nowhere to do so. Dallin Bachynski - Is the only Ute remaining on the team from Larry Krystokowiak's 6-25 team from 2012. He's got size at 7-0. He's older and he's strong and athletic. He's capable of hitting a foul line jumper and he's another dirty work guy. Isaiah Wright - Is a freshman back-up point guard. Another very talented rookie. Will probably play about 10 minutes. Can make a jumper. Is good defensively That will be Utah's rotation, by and large. In a pinch, you may see Kyle Kuzma, or maybe Jeremy Olsen. Coach K is a lot like the other coach K: He has a lot of talent on his bench, but he can't play them all. He has his set rotation and he largely sticks to it. Utah is as good a defensive team we will see all season. I would say we are more athletic, but that really doesn't mean much. Expect a low possession, low scoring affair. This will be a great challenge for us. The crowd will be against us, so we have to prepare for that as well. What do you think of the matchup between Poeltl and Joshua? I doubt he's faced anyone with Joshua's size. I could see Smith being very effective putting Poeltl on his back and making a move.
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Post by TC on Mar 20, 2015 13:52:11 GMT -5
I went over to their message board to lurk. They are very different from East Washington. Not very nice, and they really hate us, at least from the early posts. Yeah, but at least they are smart. Georgetown's bench scores 45 points. Utah fans' response? "We have better depth!" Our bench almost outscored their entire team.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 20, 2015 14:02:58 GMT -5
We're 4 point underdogs, and that has to be the first time in an NCAA game since 2007 too. Can't lie, that feels pretty good right now. We can even play the "We're not getting any respect" card!
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Post by hoyarad on Mar 20, 2015 14:06:20 GMT -5
Welp, here goes, one game to the sweet 16. It's going to be a tough one, because Utah is truly a good team. Not a great one, but definitely a good one. In Delon Wright, we may be facing the single best player that we've seen this season. So hope this helps, here is some of the stuff we should look for on Saturday. Offense - Everything runs through Wright when the Utes have the ball. They run a motion offense, a ton of pick and rolls and besides pace of play, Utah very much reminds me of an NBA type offense. They value spacing. They try to get the ball inside to Jakob Poeltl - their NBA prospect freshman center. They have great shooting on the wings in Brandon Taylor and Jordan Loveridge. They have a dirty work guy inside named Chris Reyes. A lot of talent, and yet Utah many times struggles mightily to score the basketball. Part of this is due to pace of play. 85 percent of their possessions go at least 25 seconds. And outside of Wright and Taylor, they don't have many guys who can go and get their own shots. Wright truly means everything to this team, and Taylor truthfully isn't that far behind. You take their offense and combine it with their defense, and this game on Saturday may struggle to get to the 60's. If we can find a way to score 70, it may be tough for the Utes to beat us. DEFENSE - This is where the Utes are elite. Wright is a plus defender. Taylor - for his lack of size - is a wonderful defender. Poeltl is a wonderful defender and Utah funnels a lot towards him and his shotblocking abilities. Schematically, the Utes play a lot of man, and will mix in some zone. They don't extend their defense all that often. They just lock up from the three point line down to the hoop. That said, not sure they've seen a guy like Josh Smith this season. They have seen a guy like DSR in Joe Young from Oregon. DSR isn't as aggressive offensively as Young, but he's got the same ability to break a team down like Young did, and the Utes really struggled with him twice this season. So how they defend DSR and who they defend him with will be interesting to see for sure. DELON WRIGHT - We've seen a Wright clone this season. He's an awful lot like Kris Dunn from Providence, only better IMO. Both are NBA guys, but Wright is a little more refined in his game. Wright is tall at 6-5, he's a wonderful point guard. He gets into the lane at will. He's by far the best Utah player in transition. He finishes at the rim, and he's a better shooter than his numbers suggest. He's simply a load. Defensively, he's one of the most opportunistic guys I've seen in a long time at the college level. He jumps passing lanes. He's an elite shotblocker for his position and he's an elite rebounder for his position. He's a triple double threat. He reminds me of a 6-5 Rajon Rondo. He's also a great foul shooter, so we want to keep him off the line. He'll make them. Does he have a weakness? Well, he doesn't shoot it great from three, and he doesn't attack offensively for 40 minutes. He's unselfish, almost to a fault. And defensively, while he's a great help defender, he's not a great man defender. I've seen guys get after him a little bit (Young, Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington).... BRANDON TAYLOR - Has had a career year. Is by far Utah's best perimeter shooter. He's small at 5-9, but he's great off the dribble, and he gets great elevation on his jumper, so people rarely bother his shot. He was a lot more like a spot up shooter in years past, now he gets to the basket and can finish. He's Utah's best perimeter defender as well. I think he actually may be the guy who matches up with DSR, not Wright. Taylor is in many ways the heart and soul of this team. He's the vocal leader on the floor (Wright is not very vocal) and he's the guy whom everyone listens to. He's in a lot of ways almost as important to this team as Wright is. He's made a ton of big shots this year, and he's as tough as they come. JORDAN LOVERIDGE - After Wright, he's the second best overall offensive talent on the team. He started his career as a power forward, and is now playing the three. Have to pay close attention to him because he can get hot from the perimeter and torch people. Has a high release point on his jumper, so he's hard to deal with. He can go inside and get it done as well. Is a junior, and has been at Utah since the days where Utah was awful.Whomever is guarding him can't give him too much room. He provides spacing with his shot. CHRIS REYES - Dirty work guy. Hustler. Small at 6-6, but very athletic and hard nosed. Isaac has to keep him off the glass, so that's a concern. He's not going to create offense against us, but he is more than capable of making his impact felt by generating extra possessions. Is a good post defender, and a guy who can block shots. JAKOB POELTL - Probably an NBA guy. Probably the most talented big Utah has had since Andrew Bogut. He's 7-0, very mobile and athletic. He's good on the block and good in pick and roll. He can do a lot of damage without needing the ball. Poeltl is foul prone. He spent most of Pac-12 conference season battling foul issues. He has Josh Smith syndrome: He gets called for a ton of BS because he's big, and guards run into him and flop and get the call. Him and Josh will be a key matchup. This game may very well hinge on which one of those guys can stay on the floor. Poeltl is a bad free throw shooter. So we have 15 fouls in the middle, and we should use them. DAKARAI TUCKER - He's the first wing off the bench for the Utes. Great three point shooter in the corners. Seriously, he's like 50 percent from the corners. Get him anywhere else and those percentages drop drastically. Not great off the dribble, but can get to the basket in a sneaky way. Is long and athletic. Is a very needed veteran presence. Brekkott Chapman - Very talented freshman off the bench. Very talented. left handed. Can play inside and out. Could become a star at this level. His problem now? Can't keep out of foul trouble. Has issues defending and rebounding. It's limited his playing time in recent weeks. But he's someone more than capable of scoring 15 points and coming out of nowhere to do so. Dallin Bachynski - Is the only Ute remaining on the team from Larry Krystokowiak's 6-25 team from 2012. He's got size at 7-0. He's older and he's strong and athletic. He's capable of hitting a foul line jumper and he's another dirty work guy. Isaiah Wright - Is a freshman back-up point guard. Another very talented rookie. Will probably play about 10 minutes. Can make a jumper. Is good defensively That will be Utah's rotation, by and large. In a pinch, you may see Kyle Kuzma, or maybe Jeremy Olsen. Coach K is a lot like the other coach K: He has a lot of talent on his bench, but he can't play them all. He has his set rotation and he largely sticks to it. Utah is as good a defensive team we will see all season. I would say we are more athletic, but that really doesn't mean much. Expect a low possession, low scoring affair. This will be a great challenge for us. The crowd will be against us, so we have to prepare for that as well. What do you think of the matchup between Poeltl and Joshua? I doubt he's faced anyone with Joshua's size. I could see Smith being very effective putting Poeltl on his back and making a move. I've decided to not rely on Josh at all. If he can give us 12-15 minutes, score a few points, and grab a couple rebounds that's okay. Lately, that's made watching our games more fun. (for me)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2015 14:09:25 GMT -5
Josh's play last night was embarassing to say the least. The two quick lazy fouls, the 3rd foul was atrocious. He has 40 friends and family member there and that is what he does? Without a doubt that was the biggest negative of the game last night. I hope the team's gameplan against Utah does not rely on Josh to do anyting because he seems very disinterested in playing at this point. It will be tough since the Utes have size. I am hoping for some innovation by III tomorrow night, something a little different. Utah reminds me way too much of the type of team we struggle with. Embarrassing? No, you're post is embarrassing. He had an ineffective game. Where are your posts about Peak or Copeland embarrassing the program? The level of venom towards Josh on this board is astonishing. Josh can be frustrating. Very frustrating. But I agree that he cares. Maybe this us the game that he shines. Fingers crossed. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 20, 2015 14:22:27 GMT -5
At this point Smith being in foul trouble is a given. We have to do the same to Poeltl; not necessarily with big men. Send slashers Peak, Copeland, and Bowen to the hole against him. They will get calls.
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