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Post by kchoya on Mar 20, 2015 2:32:45 GMT -5
Utah hates us? Why? Is there some history or just general we hate everyone stuff? John Carroll went to BYU.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 3:19:14 GMT -5
Utah message board is www.utefans.net/list.phpThey just don't like us. The only specific was Jabril's dunk at the end. So far they just aren't particularly pleasant (politically correct term)
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Post by Dhall on Mar 20, 2015 5:29:59 GMT -5
Most comparable Big East team? Butler, Xavier, other? I don't think I've watched a Utah game since Keith Van Horn.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 5:35:33 GMT -5
Need Josh to come up Big in this one...
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Post by hoyainindia on Mar 20, 2015 6:58:33 GMT -5
We'd better spend some time practicing a press break
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2015 7:01:18 GMT -5
The reality is that Utah should have been the 4 seed to our 5, that Utah should be favored in Vegas, and that we are going to have to put together one of our 5 best performances of the year to have a chance at the Sweet Sixteen. They played Kansas 3 days after we did, but in Kansas City as opposed to at home and had a better showing than we did. Don't worry. B Hayes.
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 20, 2015 7:18:51 GMT -5
Utah message board is www.utefans.net/list.phpThey just don't like us. The only specific was Jabril's dunk at the end. So far they just aren't particularly pleasant (politically correct term) Why are other boards so hard to read (makes you really appreciate the formatting of ours)? It's nice they didn't like Jabril's dunk. I did and I'm sure he did too. Enough of all this PC stuff, he was there to play hard and that is what we should all want to see. His dunk will have no bearing on the game on Saturday so they can talk about it all they want. Interesting that after the game last night they are worried about Josh's size.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 20, 2015 7:20:25 GMT -5
This is definitely a 50/50 game. The matchup between their big center and our guys will be interesting/fun/stressful to watch.
That being said winning this game would be huge for the program. The difference between Rd of 32 vs Sweet 16 is huge for perception. We'd get covered all week, have our furthest advancement since 2007, and have a house money game against Duke in the national spotlight.
While last nights win was a relief, it will be viewed less as an accomplishment and more as "well finally they didn't blow a game they shouldn't have". This next win would truly quiet the JT III critics, program doubters, talking heads etc. Furthermore it would be a tremendous springboard into next year, when we all truly believe we are a Final 4 threat.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 20, 2015 7:24:52 GMT -5
Need Josh to come up Big in this one... Well, he should be fresh at least!! Just win.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 20, 2015 7:30:37 GMT -5
One thing I noticed in Utah's Pomeroy stats is that 10 of their top 11 Offensive Efficiency performances were home games and the other was on a neutral court. By comparison we have 3 away and 2 neutral court games in our top 10. So their impressive rating is heavily weighted to a big home court advantage.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 20, 2015 7:41:38 GMT -5
Utah message board is www.utefans.net/list.phpThey just don't like us. The only specific was Jabril's dunk at the end. So far they just aren't particularly pleasant (politically correct term) The dunk is an easy excuse but if we weren't Gtown fans we wouldn't like Brilly either. He is exactly what Gtown needed when we recruited him. A tough guy that loves being hated by the opposition. If his ankle is okay and he can play at near 90%, I hope Utah fans boo Brilly like crazy. It will focus him and make him play better. I just hope he controls that rage because it came really close to getting him a tech last night.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 20, 2015 7:46:41 GMT -5
One thing I noticed in Utah's Pomeroy stats is that 10 of their top 11 Offensive Efficiency performances were home games and the other was on a neutral court. By comparison we have 3 away and 2 neutral court games in our top 10. So their impressive rating is heavily weighted to a big home court advantage. And I think it's being understated that we'd be their best win of the season. Currently that's a 1-point home win over 7-seed Wichita State. Utah has won a lot of hypothetical 100 possession contests on Pomeroy, but not a lot of actual games versus good competition. They're 0-4 versus the only other good teams in The Pac 12 (Oregon and Arizona). So they're good but I don't think they're underseeded. This is a pick 'em of a game as 4/5s usually are.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2015 8:05:03 GMT -5
Two keys:
1. Play smart lockdown D. 2. No silly turnovers. 3. Only good shots.
OK, that's 3 keys.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 20, 2015 8:22:14 GMT -5
Welp, here goes, one game to the sweet 16. It's going to be a tough one, because Utah is truly a good team. Not a great one, but definitely a good one. In Delon Wright, we may be facing the single best player that we've seen this season. So hope this helps, here is some of the stuff we should look for on Saturday.
Offense - Everything runs through Wright when the Utes have the ball. They run a motion offense, a ton of pick and rolls and besides pace of play, Utah very much reminds me of an NBA type offense. They value spacing. They try to get the ball inside to Jakob Poeltl - their NBA prospect freshman center. They have great shooting on the wings in Brandon Taylor and Jordan Loveridge. They have a dirty work guy inside named Chris Reyes. A lot of talent, and yet Utah many times struggles mightily to score the basketball. Part of this is due to pace of play. 85 percent of their possessions go at least 25 seconds. And outside of Wright and Taylor, they don't have many guys who can go and get their own shots. Wright truly means everything to this team, and Taylor truthfully isn't that far behind. You take their offense and combine it with their defense, and this game on Saturday may struggle to get to the 60's. If we can find a way to score 70, it may be tough for the Utes to beat us.
DEFENSE - This is where the Utes are elite. Wright is a plus defender. Taylor - for his lack of size - is a wonderful defender. Poeltl is a wonderful defender and Utah funnels a lot towards him and his shotblocking abilities. Schematically, the Utes play a lot of man, and will mix in some zone. They don't extend their defense all that often. They just lock up from the three point line down to the hoop. That said, not sure they've seen a guy like Josh Smith this season. They have seen a guy like DSR in Joe Young from Oregon. DSR isn't as aggressive offensively as Young, but he's got the same ability to break a team down like Young did, and the Utes really struggled with him twice this season. So how they defend DSR and who they defend him with will be interesting to see for sure.
DELON WRIGHT - We've seen a Wright clone this season. He's an awful lot like Kris Dunn from Providence, only better IMO. Both are NBA guys, but Wright is a little more refined in his game. Wright is tall at 6-5, he's a wonderful point guard. He gets into the lane at will. He's by far the best Utah player in transition. He finishes at the rim, and he's a better shooter than his numbers suggest. He's simply a load. Defensively, he's one of the most opportunistic guys I've seen in a long time at the college level. He jumps passing lanes. He's an elite shotblocker for his position and he's an elite rebounder for his position. He's a triple double threat. He reminds me of a 6-5 Rajon Rondo. He's also a great foul shooter, so we want to keep him off the line. He'll make them. Does he have a weakness? Well, he doesn't shoot it great from three, and he doesn't attack offensively for 40 minutes. He's unselfish, almost to a fault. And defensively, while he's a great help defender, he's not a great man defender. I've seen guys get after him a little bit (Young, Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington)....
BRANDON TAYLOR - Has had a career year. Is by far Utah's best perimeter shooter. He's small at 5-9, but he's great off the dribble, and he gets great elevation on his jumper, so people rarely bother his shot. He was a lot more like a spot up shooter in years past, now he gets to the basket and can finish. He's Utah's best perimeter defender as well. I think he actually may be the guy who matches up with DSR, not Wright. Taylor is in many ways the heart and soul of this team. He's the vocal leader on the floor (Wright is not very vocal) and he's the guy whom everyone listens to. He's in a lot of ways almost as important to this team as Wright is. He's made a ton of big shots this year, and he's as tough as they come.
JORDAN LOVERIDGE - After Wright, he's the second best overall offensive talent on the team. He started his career as a power forward, and is now playing the three. Have to pay close attention to him because he can get hot from the perimeter and torch people. Has a high release point on his jumper, so he's hard to deal with. He can go inside and get it done as well. Is a junior, and has been at Utah since the days where Utah was awful.Whomever is guarding him can't give him too much room. He provides spacing with his shot.
CHRIS REYES - Dirty work guy. Hustler. Small at 6-6, but very athletic and hard nosed. Isaac has to keep him off the glass, so that's a concern. He's not going to create offense against us, but he is more than capable of making his impact felt by generating extra possessions. Is a good post defender, and a guy who can block shots.
JAKOB POELTL - Probably an NBA guy. Probably the most talented big Utah has had since Andrew Bogut. He's 7-0, very mobile and athletic. He's good on the block and good in pick and roll. He can do a lot of damage without needing the ball. Poeltl is foul prone. He spent most of Pac-12 conference season battling foul issues. He has Josh Smith syndrome: He gets called for a ton of BS because he's big, and guards run into him and flop and get the call. Him and Josh will be a key matchup. This game may very well hinge on which one of those guys can stay on the floor. Poeltl is a bad free throw shooter. So we have 15 fouls in the middle, and we should use them.
DAKARAI TUCKER - He's the first wing off the bench for the Utes. Great three point shooter in the corners. Seriously, he's like 50 percent from the corners. Get him anywhere else and those percentages drop drastically. Not great off the dribble, but can get to the basket in a sneaky way. Is long and athletic. Is a very needed veteran presence.
Brekkott Chapman - Very talented freshman off the bench. Very talented. left handed. Can play inside and out. Could become a star at this level. His problem now? Can't keep out of foul trouble. Has issues defending and rebounding. It's limited his playing time in recent weeks. But he's someone more than capable of scoring 15 points and coming out of nowhere to do so.
Dallin Bachynski - Is the only Ute remaining on the team from Larry Krystokowiak's 6-25 team from 2012. He's got size at 7-0. He's older and he's strong and athletic. He's capable of hitting a foul line jumper and he's another dirty work guy.
Isaiah Wright - Is a freshman back-up point guard. Another very talented rookie. Will probably play about 10 minutes. Can make a jumper. Is good defensively
That will be Utah's rotation, by and large. In a pinch, you may see Kyle Kuzma, or maybe Jeremy Olsen. Coach K is a lot like the other coach K: He has a lot of talent on his bench, but he can't play them all. He has his set rotation and he largely sticks to it.
Utah is as good a defensive team we will see all season. I would say we are more athletic, but that really doesn't mean much. Expect a low possession, low scoring affair. This will be a great challenge for us. The crowd will be against us, so we have to prepare for that as well.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 20, 2015 8:31:41 GMT -5
Utah message board is www.utefans.net/list.phpThey just don't like us. The only specific was Jabril's dunk at the end. So far they just aren't particularly pleasant (politically correct term) The dunk is an easy excuse but if we weren't Gtown fans we wouldn't like Brilly either. He is exactly what Gtown needed when we recruited him. A tough guy that loves being hated by the opposition. If his ankle is okay and he can play at near 90%, I hope Utah fans boo Brilly like crazy. It will focus him and make him play better. I just hope he controls that rage because it came really close to getting him a tech last night. Trawick's recruitment was a direct result of how soft and unemotional the GU team was before he was offered during the summer prior to his hs senior team. That's why he's different like Pops says. He is what he is. But, he really cannot lose control. We need him as he's been the most consistent player this season.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2015 8:32:04 GMT -5
Get out and run. We need something from Peak & Copeland who just didn't have it against EWU. I also think Peak's initial early clock three was the dumbest first possession I have ever witnessed. I guarantee coach told him all week what they wanted. I think White was playing well and that is why Copeland didn't get more run. Assume Jabril on Wright and Smith Poetl. If Smith can not foul, use his feet instead of hips and hands, he can get Poetl in foul trouble.
Guys should be more acclimated time wise and Hayes isn't getting those boards against a big front line team. WE got this!
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Post by DoctorHoya on Mar 20, 2015 8:51:34 GMT -5
Welp, here goes, one game to the sweet 16. It's going to be a tough one, because Utah is truly a good team. Not a great one, but definitely a good one. In Delon Wright, we may be facing the single best player that we've seen this season. So hope this helps, here is some of the stuff we should look for on Saturday. Offense - Everything runs through Wright when the Utes have the ball. They run a motion offense, a ton of pick and rolls and besides pace of play, Utah very much reminds me of an NBA type offense. They value spacing. They try to get the ball inside to Jakob Poeltl - their NBA prospect freshman center. They have great shooting on the wings in Brandon Taylor and Jordan Loveridge. They have a dirty work guy inside named Chris Reyes. A lot of talent, and yet Utah many times struggles mightily to score the basketball. Part of this is due to pace of play. 85 percent of their possessions go at least 25 seconds. And outside of Wright and Taylor, they don't have many guys who can go and get their own shots. Wright truly means everything to this team, and Taylor truthfully isn't that far behind. You take their offense and combine it with their defense, and this game on Saturday may struggle to get to the 60's. If we can find a way to score 70, it may be tough for the Utes to beat us. DEFENSE - This is where the Utes are elite. Wright is a plus defender. Taylor - for his lack of size - is a wonderful defender. Poeltl is a wonderful defender and Utah funnels a lot towards him and his shotblocking abilities. Schematically, the Utes play a lot of man, and will mix in some zone. They don't extend their defense all that often. They just lock up from the three point line down to the hoop. That said, not sure they've seen a guy like Josh Smith this season. They have seen a guy like DSR in Joe Young from Oregon. DSR isn't as aggressive offensively as Young, but he's got the same ability to break a team down like Young did, and the Utes really struggled with him twice this season. So how they defend DSR and who they defend him with will be interesting to see for sure. DELON WRIGHT - We've seen a Wright clone this season. He's an awful lot like Kris Dunn from Providence, only better IMO. Both are NBA guys, but Wright is a little more refined in his game. Wright is tall at 6-5, he's a wonderful point guard. He gets into the lane at will. He's by far the best Utah player in transition. He finishes at the rim, and he's a better shooter than his numbers suggest. He's simply a load. Defensively, he's one of the most opportunistic guys I've seen in a long time at the college level. He jumps passing lanes. He's an elite shotblocker for his position and he's an elite rebounder for his position. He's a triple double threat. He reminds me of a 6-5 Rajon Rondo. He's also a great foul shooter, so we want to keep him off the line. He'll make them. Does he have a weakness? Well, he doesn't shoot it great from three, and he doesn't attack offensively for 40 minutes. He's unselfish, almost to a fault. And defensively, while he's a great help defender, he's not a great man defender. I've seen guys get after him a little bit (Young, Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington).... BRANDON TAYLOR - Has had a career year. Is by far Utah's best perimeter shooter. He's small at 5-9, but he's great off the dribble, and he gets great elevation on his jumper, so people rarely bother his shot. He was a lot more like a spot up shooter in years past, now he gets to the basket and can finish. He's Utah's best perimeter defender as well. I think he actually may be the guy who matches up with DSR, not Wright. Taylor is in many ways the heart and soul of this team. He's the vocal leader on the floor (Wright is not very vocal) and he's the guy whom everyone listens to. He's in a lot of ways almost as important to this team as Wright is. He's made a ton of big shots this year, and he's as tough as they come. JORDAN LOVERIDGE - After Wright, he's the second best overall offensive talent on the team. He started his career as a power forward, and is now playing the three. Have to pay close attention to him because he can get hot from the perimeter and torch people. Has a high release point on his jumper, so he's hard to deal with. He can go inside and get it done as well. Is a junior, and has been at Utah since the days where Utah was awful.Whomever is guarding him can't give him too much room. He provides spacing with his shot. CHRIS REYES - Dirty work guy. Hustler. Small at 6-6, but very athletic and hard nosed. Isaac has to keep him off the glass, so that's a concern. He's not going to create offense against us, but he is more than capable of making his impact felt by generating extra possessions. Is a good post defender, and a guy who can block shots. JAKOB POELTL - Probably an NBA guy. Probably the most talented big Utah has had since Andrew Bogut. He's 7-0, very mobile and athletic. He's good on the block and good in pick and roll. He can do a lot of damage without needing the ball. Poeltl is foul prone. He spent most of Pac-12 conference season battling foul issues. He has Josh Smith syndrome: He gets called for a ton of BS because he's big, and guards run into him and flop and get the call. Him and Josh will be a key matchup. This game may very well hinge on which one of those guys can stay on the floor. Poeltl is a bad free throw shooter. So we have 15 fouls in the middle, and we should use them. DAKARAI TUCKER - He's the first wing off the bench for the Utes. Great three point shooter in the corners. Seriously, he's like 50 percent from the corners. Get him anywhere else and those percentages drop drastically. Not great off the dribble, but can get to the basket in a sneaky way. Is long and athletic. Is a very needed veteran presence. Brekkott Chapman - Very talented freshman off the bench. Very talented. left handed. Can play inside and out. Could become a star at this level. His problem now? Can't keep out of foul trouble. Has issues defending and rebounding. It's limited his playing time in recent weeks. But he's someone more than capable of scoring 15 points and coming out of nowhere to do so. Dallin Bachynski - Is the only Ute remaining on the team from Larry Krystokowiak's 6-25 team from 2012. He's got size at 7-0. He's older and he's strong and athletic. He's capable of hitting a foul line jumper and he's another dirty work guy. Isaiah Wright - Is a freshman back-up point guard. Another very talented rookie. Will probably play about 10 minutes. Can make a jumper. Is good defensively That will be Utah's rotation, by and large. In a pinch, you may see Kyle Kuzma, or maybe Jeremy Olsen. Coach K is a lot like the other coach K: He has a lot of talent on his bench, but he can't play them all. He has his set rotation and he largely sticks to it. Utah is as good a defensive team we will see all season. I would say we are more athletic, but that really doesn't mean much. Expect a low possession, low scoring affair. This will be a great challenge for us. The crowd will be against us, so we have to prepare for that as well. Send this to the coaches!!!
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 20, 2015 9:12:20 GMT -5
For what its worth our game will be on CBS at roughly 7:45. While I know all games are on and available, being on the big network will attract the casual fan on Saturday night in primetime who is just flipping through the channels.
Let's get it done. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by Boz on Mar 20, 2015 9:21:07 GMT -5
I went over to their message board to lurk. They are very different from East Washington. Not very nice, and they really hate us, at least from the early posts. Yeah, but at least they are smart. Georgetown's bench scores 45 points. Utah fans' response? "We have better depth!"
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Post by Filo on Mar 20, 2015 9:29:57 GMT -5
Utah message board is www.utefans.net/list.phpThey just don't like us. The only specific was Jabril's dunk at the end. So far they just aren't particularly pleasant (politically correct term) The dunk is an easy excuse but if we weren't Gtown fans we wouldn't like Brilly either. He is exactly what Gtown needed when we recruited him. A tough guy that loves being hated by the opposition. If his ankle is okay and he can play at near 90%, I hope Utah fans boo Brilly like crazy. It will focus him and make him play better. I just hope he controls that rage because it came really close to getting him a tech last night. Absolutely. I am confident I would despise him if he wasn't on my team. Man, he had a great game last night in terms of intensity, hustle, and defense. But he really does need to control himself. Not just the silly contact, but the out-of-control drives winding up with him having no options but to just throw the ball back out and hope a teammate gets it. I was totally fine with the dunk, given the EWU coach talking smack and all the negativity directed at the Hoyas on favor of EWU.
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