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Post by matersammich on Mar 17, 2015 18:13:22 GMT -5
I hope Howland gets the job. Think he'd really turn that program around into a consistent competitor. He didn't get a fair shake at UCLA imo. Hiring a 60-year old man looking for one last shot isn't the answer. The real question: is this thread longer any thread on any DePaul message board? What about hiring a guy who's still in his 50s and has been to 3 Final Fours?
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 17, 2015 18:35:06 GMT -5
DePaul has a fairly active scout board.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 17, 2015 18:43:28 GMT -5
Can we just relegate DePaul to the AAC? Of all the well-chronicled, ill-advised moves the BE made over the years, bringing in DePaul is the worst.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 17, 2015 20:00:36 GMT -5
Can we just relegate DePaul to the AAC? Of all the well-chronicled, ill-advised moves the BE made over the years, bringing in DePaul is the worst. They would be fine if they ever hired the right coach. The AD in charge has whiffed big time on two straight.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 17, 2015 20:01:44 GMT -5
Hiring a 60-year old man looking for one last shot isn't the answer. The real question: is this thread longer any thread on any DePaul message board? What about hiring a guy who's still in his 50s and has been to 3 Final Fours? Re-tread. They need more than somebody with on-court success. The entire school connection to the program has to be rebuilt. Confidence has to be instilled, fans need to be encouraged, game production needs to be micro-managed, local media needs to be courted. Howland can't do most of those things.
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Post by matersammich on Mar 17, 2015 20:32:05 GMT -5
What about hiring a guy who's still in his 50s and has been to 3 Final Fours? Re-tread. They need more than somebody with on-court success. The entire school connection to the program has to be rebuilt. Confidence has to be instilled, fans need to be encouraged, game production needs to be micro-managed, local media needs to be courted. Howland can't do most of those things. I don't see why you think Howland can't do those things. Howland is a great coach who brings instant credibility. You mentioned that he's looking for one last shot, I think that's not a bad thing. Get a young guy and watch him leave in a few years while Howland will be coaching for the next 8-10 years (probably) and all at DePaul. It's not that I think hiring a young guy would be a bad thing, quite the opposite. There are a bunch of young coaches that would probably be home runs. If they went that way I'd certainly understand and root for their success except when they are playing us.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 17, 2015 20:50:42 GMT -5
When you read about criticisms of Ben Howland in the wake of his departure from UCLA, they paint a picture of a coach who had had trouble relating to his players, a coach who wanted very little to do with recruiting, and who delegated a great deal of his duties to his assistants. Sort of Boeheim-like in his technique (although without the multiple NCAA sanction history).
DePaul needs a public face, a coach who will get out in the community while recruiting and be the image of Blue Demon basketball. Howland knows his Xs and Os; I don't know if his style would work right now for DePaul, in light of what they need.
Ironically, Craig Robinson, the former Oregon State coach, drew high marks for all of those criteria upon which I am judging Howland somewhat severely. Robinson appears to be the front runner for the vacancy at UIC.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 17, 2015 20:59:29 GMT -5
Re-tread. They need more than somebody with on-court success. The entire school connection to the program has to be rebuilt. Confidence has to be instilled, fans need to be encouraged, game production needs to be micro-managed, local media needs to be courted. Howland can't do most of those things. I don't see why you think Howland can't do those things. Howland is a great coach who brings instant credibility. You mentioned that he's looking for one last shot, I think that's not a bad thing. Get a young guy and watch him leave in a few years while Howland will be coaching for the next 8-10 years (probably) and all at DePaul. It's not that I think hiring a young guy would be a bad thing, quite the opposite. There are a bunch of young coaches that would probably be home runs. If they went that way I'd certainly understand and root for their success except when they are playing us. An old guy who has been to the Final Four already isn't going to have the hunger and the competitive fire of a younger guy who hasn't made any money and hasn't made a name for himself. Throw in what we know about Howland's meltdown at UCLA and why would you pay the larger salary that Howland will demand over a fresh face?
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 17, 2015 22:17:53 GMT -5
DePaul announced today that it has engaged the services of Parker Executive Search, based in Atlanta, to aid in the search for a new head coach. Not sure that this is a good sign. Parker is the company that brought Julie Hermann to Rutgers as its new athletic director, which has been a series of one gaffe after another since her hiring.
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Post by matersammich on Mar 18, 2015 5:19:52 GMT -5
I don't see why you think Howland can't do those things. Howland is a great coach who brings instant credibility. You mentioned that he's looking for one last shot, I think that's not a bad thing. Get a young guy and watch him leave in a few years while Howland will be coaching for the next 8-10 years (probably) and all at DePaul. It's not that I think hiring a young guy would be a bad thing, quite the opposite. There are a bunch of young coaches that would probably be home runs. If they went that way I'd certainly understand and root for their success except when they are playing us. An old guy who has been to the Final Four already isn't going to have the hunger and the competitive fire of a younger guy who hasn't made any money and hasn't made a name for himself. Throw in what we know about Howland's meltdown at UCLA and why would you pay the larger salary that Howland will demand over a fresh face? Since when is 57 an old guy? And what energizes a program and fan base more than winning? I get the UCLA meltdown as a concern but if we look at that as the primary factor in hiring we aren't giving enough weight to his prior track record of success. National coach of the year, 3x conference coach of the year, 3 schools to the NCAA tournament, 3 final fours. Most coaches would kill for his record. The only reason a school like DePaul has a shot at Howland is because of the damaged goods perception. Are we assuming he can't learn from those mistakes? Perhaps we can't teach an "old" dog new tricks?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 18, 2015 5:37:03 GMT -5
Agree with Big Dog. Why is everyone hung up on a "big name" for Depaul? St. Johns is the only other school that went that route in the conference and the results have been mixed. Get a young coach who can build something. If it is truly a long turnaround, 57-year olds commanding 7 figures probably aren't the best choice.
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Post by matersammich on Mar 18, 2015 6:04:45 GMT -5
Agree with Big Dog. Why is everyone hung up on a "big name" for Depaul? St. Johns is the only other school that went that route in the conference and the results have been mixed. Get a young coach who can build something. If it is truly a long turnaround, 57-year olds commanding 7 figures probably aren't the best choice. That's a disconnect between the 2 camps. If you get Howland you aren't expecting a long turnaround. If it were truly a case of 2 candidates, each will give you equal results and in the same amount of time with the same amount of risk sure don't pay more. I believe Howland's age is a positive. He isn't old but he isn't young - DePaul would be his last stop. He still has 8-10 years of coaching left in him if you believe people should retire in their mid to late 60's. UNC and Duke are not going to knock on his door when Roy and K retire. Finally I really don't buy the "only a young guy can energize the program" argument. Howland has something to prove. That type of motivation works whether you are young or "old". Larry Brown, who is actually old for a coach, seems to be doing OK.
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Post by Thomas on Mar 18, 2015 7:51:27 GMT -5
About Billy Garrett Jr, since it appears as if him and his father are a package deal, wouldn't it make sense for another high-major school who can afford to put his father on staff for the 1 or 2 years that B.Garrett Jr. will remain in college to bring him in?? Even though he's kind of an erratic player with his shot selection and turnovers, he's shown that he can be a 1st or 2nd Team All-Conference type of player. Memphis, Florida and SMU immediately come to mind as schools who would hire Billy Garrett SR. for a few years in order to bring his kid in.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 18, 2015 8:23:53 GMT -5
Don't know if Hardy would want DePaul but I would hate to lose him. I like having a coach on staff that can recruit ChiTown kids. I'm not sure but I always assumed that he was the major reason for PW and LJ choosing Gtown. PW for sure. LJ he was involved also, but I think Broadus was too. This!
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Post by Buckets on Mar 18, 2015 8:26:29 GMT -5
I don't know that I would go that far. They're losing two rotation guys to graduation (Forest Robinson and Jamee Crockett), but Billy Garrett and Tommy Hamilton are still only going to be juniors next year. It's not like St. John's where they're only bringing back two of the players in their rotation. If anything, Purnell may have laid the groundwork enough to allow for a good coach that can get them back in tournament contention to be interested in the job. Garrett's probably gone since he only went there because Purnell hired his dad as asst coach. If you are going to purge Purnell then I'm sure any new coach worth their beans would want to bring in his guys as assistant coaches. You wouldn't want to be tired to the past or with Purnell. Also, it puts the recruiting class for 2015-16 in flux. Which would be another reason Garrett would want to leave. They need to hit a home run with a Wojo type caliber guy because they are basically just starting from square one IMO. Except that Garrett Sr. was a Wainwright hire in May of 2009: www.depaulbluedemons.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051409aaa.htmlHe survived the January 2010 midseason Wainwright firing and was an early candidate to get the job on a full-time basis though the interim job went to Tracy Webster: articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-01-12/sports/1001120007_1_blue-demons-depaul-firesTracy Webster went 1-14 and was replaced by Purnell at the end of the season, and his most notable achievement was offering a 6'5" eighth grader named Jahlil Okafor a scholarship: sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=4907140Purnell kept Garrett Sr. on staff when he was hired in April 2010 and Garrett Jr. committed to DePaul in April 2011.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 18, 2015 10:37:26 GMT -5
hope they get a good coach yup need chicago to be GOOD TEAM yup go hoyas go depaul
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 18, 2015 12:42:36 GMT -5
DePaul announced today that it has engaged the services of Parker Executive Search, based in Atlanta, to aid in the search for a new head coach. Not sure that this is a good sign. Parker is the company that brought Julie Hermann to Rutgers as its new athletic director, which has been a series of one gaffe after another since her hiring. This gives you a pretty good idea of how disconnected DePaul's administration is from what is happening in college basketball. Or maybe they just want to point the finger at someone when they hire Isaiah Thomas.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 18, 2015 13:02:28 GMT -5
Overall though, I'm all in on Depaul hiring somebody who is an elite recruiter, maybe a little bit questionable ethically, who is going to land some elite one-and-done type recruits. That's one thing our league is missing right now. There are a lot of pretty good teams, but we don't really have anyone landing one-and-done type talent, which is a lot of times what draws in casual fans. The average Joe, in many cases, only cares about college basketball as a means to see guys who are going to make an NBA impact soon. Quality teams with mostly 4 year guys are good as the basis for your conference, but as far as media attention goes, some one-and-dones are good for business. I kind of view Depaul as playing with house money for the Big East--I'm happy if they get a coach that's a little shady, and if it works out they'll bring attention to the conference and we can all hate them for being "cheaters." If it doesn't work out, it's no big loss because they're no worse than now and SOMEBODY has to be in 8th, 9th and 10th in the league. Spoken like a true MSB grad LOL. I'd just like to make it clear that my position would not apply if it were my alma mater, but for Depaul? Sure, why not--worst case scenario is it implodes (ala Broadus at Binghamton) and they end up back at the bottom of the conference where they've been for the better part of the last decade. Here's an article from yesterday that kicks around a few candidates: chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/03/17/emma-depaul-job-could-attract-prime-candidates/I'd be fully on-board with Kenny Payne, who fits the mold of what I think they need and who has learned from the best at that game for the last few years.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2015 13:37:11 GMT -5
Kenny Payne probably makes more as a UK assistant than he could make with Depaul.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 18, 2015 13:56:53 GMT -5
Kenny Payne probably makes more as a UK assistant than he could make with Depaul. Payne makes about $1M/year at UK. Purnell was making about $1.6M at Depaul, not sure what the next guy will make. Payne also interviewed for a head coaching gig in the SEC previously I think, but didn't get it.
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