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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2015 14:36:08 GMT -5
Agree. I thought Purnell was turning it around. DePaul was a hideous place for any coach to come to and he was slowly building it up to the point where they were getting a little dangerous. Now it's all back to square one IMO. I don't know that I would go that far. They're losing two rotation guys to graduation (Forest Robinson and Jamee Crockett), but Billy Garrett and Tommy Hamilton are still only going to be juniors next year. It's not like St. John's where they're only bringing back two of the players in their rotation. If anything, Purnell may have laid the groundwork enough to allow for a good coach that can get them back in tournament contention to be interested in the job. Garrett's probably gone since he only went there because Purnell hired his dad as asst coach. If you are going to purge Purnell then I'm sure any new coach worth their beans would want to bring in his guys as assistant coaches. You wouldn't want to be tired to the past or with Purnell. Also, it puts the recruiting class for 2015-16 in flux. Which would be another reason Garrett would want to leave. They need to hit a home run with a Wojo type caliber guy because they are basically just starting from square one IMO.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 16, 2015 14:42:20 GMT -5
I don't know that I would go that far. They're losing two rotation guys to graduation (Forest Robinson and Jamee Crockett), but Billy Garrett and Tommy Hamilton are still only going to be juniors next year. It's not like St. John's where they're only bringing back two of the players in their rotation. If anything, Purnell may have laid the groundwork enough to allow for a good coach that can get them back in tournament contention to be interested in the job. Garrett's probably gone since he only went there because Purnell hired his dad as asst coach. If you are going to purge Purnell then I'm sure any new coach worth their beans would want to bring in his guys as assistant coaches. You wouldn't want to be tired to the past or with Purnell. Also, it puts the recruiting class for 2015-16 in flux. Which would be another reason Garrett would want to leave. They need to hit a home run with a Wojo type caliber guy because they are basically just starting from square one IMO. If Garrett transfers, that changes things, I think. I didn't know that about Garrett's Dad. Still, if they can get a good coach, he presumably can hold onto their recruits. They aren't exactly McDonald's All-Americans where the blue bloods will be trying to poach them.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2015 15:08:09 GMT -5
Garrett's probably gone since he only went there because Purnell hired his dad as asst coach. If you are going to purge Purnell then I'm sure any new coach worth their beans would want to bring in his guys as assistant coaches. You wouldn't want to be tired to the past or with Purnell. Also, it puts the recruiting class for 2015-16 in flux. Which would be another reason Garrett would want to leave. They need to hit a home run with a Wojo type caliber guy because they are basically just starting from square one IMO. If Garrett transfers, that changes things, I think. I didn't know that about Garrett's Dad. Still, if they can get a good coach, he presumably can hold onto their recruits. They aren't exactly McDonald's All-Americans where the blue bloods will be trying to poach them. The problem for Garrett is will he really want to wait a year that would be required with a transfer? He (and his dad) think he's a pro and want to get him there as quickly as possible. He's not good enough to get drafted this season. I don't think he and his dad have any special loyalty to Purnell that's going to make them bitter by his departure (Garrett was going to go wherever his dad got a job, whether it was DePaul or somewhere else). If they're smart, they ride it out, see who the next hire is and likely stay on at DePaul. That way they don't have to lose a year of Billy's potential earnings while he sits out a transfer season.
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Post by gujake on Mar 16, 2015 15:14:02 GMT -5
What evidence is there that Purnell was turning it around? In Wainwright's last year they were KenPom # 186. In Purnell's 5 years they were #195, #142, #175, #198, and #163.
Coaches shouldn't need 8-10 years to show improvement. DePaul has been stuck at basically the same level since 2007.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2015 15:23:54 GMT -5
Garrett's probably gone since he only went there because Purnell hired his dad as asst coach. If you are going to purge Purnell then I'm sure any new coach worth their beans would want to bring in his guys as assistant coaches. You wouldn't want to be tired to the past or with Purnell. Also, it puts the recruiting class for 2015-16 in flux. Which would be another reason Garrett would want to leave. They need to hit a home run with a Wojo type caliber guy because they are basically just starting from square one IMO. Normally I would agree with you about coaches bringing in their own assistants, but when firing one assistant almost certainly means losing your best returning player, the calculus changes a bit, don't you think? Nothing about the Garrett / Purnell relationship was so incestuous as to make the two inseparable and DePaul would be wise to consider keeping the former even if the later left.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2015 15:58:09 GMT -5
If I am a prospective head coach, and I am being told by the athletic director of a moribund program that I must keep a specific assistant coach on staff for any reason, I am running in the other direction. If the AD is able to make one staffing decision without the head coach having any say, the AD can do it repeatedly. If it costs you Billy Garrett Jr., so be it. It's not as though DePaul was winning with him.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2015 16:31:17 GMT -5
Not suggesting the school makes a new coach do it. My theory is that as the new head coach I would consider keeping father/son because the son represents my best shot at a smooth and successful transition.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2015 16:56:46 GMT -5
What evidence is there that Purnell was turning it around? In Wainwright's last year they were KenPom # 186. In Purnell's 5 years they were #195, #142, #175, #198, and #163. Coaches shouldn't need 8-10 years to show improvement. DePaul has been stuck at basically the same level since 2007. There's your winner. Good coaches show improvement in at least some areas. An boost in performance as the coach implements a better system or coaching methods. A boost in recruiting as he leverages the "I'm new, everything is going to change" storyline. Purnell has coached in many places for years and he's never won a tournament game. His DePaul teams continue to be at the bottom, with the exception of a hot streak or two. They aren't, when looking at them, particularly disciplined and don't seem to play above their talent. Why keep him? The next coach may not be better, but there's no sign that Purnell is actually turning anything around.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 17, 2015 11:04:43 GMT -5
Chicago Tribune list of 6 candidates:
- Mark Aguirre (former NBA, DePaul star player)
- Tyrone Corbin (former NBA head coach, DePaul player)
- Bryce Drew (now at Valpo)
- Ben Howland (former UCLA, Pitt, Northern Arizona HC)
- Tavaras Hardy (asst. at Georgetown)
- Steve Masiello (now at Manhattan)
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 17, 2015 12:12:36 GMT -5
Please no Hardy, I know we will lose him eventually but I think hes been a big part of our recruiting successes. Plus I don't want to lose our grasp on Chicago recruiting just yet.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2015 12:15:52 GMT -5
Don't know if Hardy would want DePaul but I would hate to lose him. I like having a coach on staff that can recruit ChiTown kids. I'm not sure but I always assumed that he was the major reason for PW and LJ choosing Gtown.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2015 12:21:37 GMT -5
As for DePaul's next coach, they may need someone that can find talent outside of Chicago more than someone that can recruit Chicago primarily. From all that I've heard the inner city kids may want to get as far away as possible. DePaul is "IN" Chicago right?
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 17, 2015 12:35:41 GMT -5
As for DePaul's next coach, they may need someone that can find talent outside of Chicago more than someone that can recruit Chicago primarily. From all that I've heard the inner city kids may want to get as far away as possible. DePaul is "IN" Chicago right? Exactly. Thank you. Chicago kids aren't going to want to stay home if you don't already start winning a bit. You need to recruit nationally. That's why I don't think you necessarily need someone with Chicago connections. Your assistant coach roles are much more key to recruit locally than the guy in charge imho
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 17, 2015 12:38:36 GMT -5
Don't know if Hardy would want DePaul but I would hate to lose him. I like having a coach on staff that can recruit ChiTown kids. I'm not sure but I always assumed that he was the major reason for PW and LJ choosing Gtown. PW for sure. LJ he was involved also, but I think Broadus was too.
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Post by aristides on Mar 17, 2015 12:59:48 GMT -5
I hope Howland gets the job. Think he'd really turn that program around into a consistent competitor. He didn't get a fair shake at UCLA imo.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 17, 2015 13:59:28 GMT -5
Don't know about that. The stories coming out about his tenure at UCLA were not pretty.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 17, 2015 14:29:05 GMT -5
I would hate to lose him, but Hardy would be smart on their part. It seems like the guy can recruit regardless of region.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 17, 2015 16:13:44 GMT -5
I hope Howland gets the job. Think he'd really turn that program around into a consistent competitor. He didn't get a fair shake at UCLA imo. Hiring a 60-year old man looking for one last shot isn't the answer. The real question: is this thread longer any thread on any DePaul message board?
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 17, 2015 16:32:11 GMT -5
I hope Howland gets the job. Think he'd really turn that program around into a consistent competitor. He didn't get a fair shake at UCLA imo. Hiring a 60-year old man looking for one last shot isn't the answer. The real question: is this thread longer any thread on any DePaul message board? Based on my quick look-see at bluedemonsnation.com and depaul.rivals.com. . .by at least two pages to date. Sort of makes one think that maybe we care more about their program's viability than do they.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 17, 2015 17:10:33 GMT -5
Hiring a 60-year old man looking for one last shot isn't the answer. The real question: is this thread longer any thread on any DePaul message board? Based on my quick look-see at bluedemonsnation.com and depaul.rivals.com. . .by at least two pages to date. Sort of makes one think that maybe we care more about their program's viability than do they. I mean, there's also this whole issue...
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