njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 11:51:08 GMT -5
Buzz Williams isn't leaving Virginia Tech for DePaul. . .he felt that the situation at Marquette and the Big East was unsettled a year ago, and he would now think that DePaul is a stable position? If he leaves Virginia Tech for anywhere, it's for a big state school in the Lone Star State (i.e., Texas or Texas A&M).
Ed Cooley is a Providence native, without any connection to Chicago. He's not leaving for DePaul.
Steve Lavin is a possibility, especially if St. John's doesn't give him an extension.
Jamie Dixon is a definite possibility. Pittsburgh is going nowhere in the ACC, and reports are that Dixon is unhappy in his present location. How much more time is on his contract?
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Post by matersammich on Mar 15, 2015 11:59:27 GMT -5
Dixon would be great. Hey ACC let's trade - we'll give you Buzz, you give us Dixon... fair? eta - I don't think Dixon would go to DePaul. I'm hoping for Howland or another big name. I'm with the 'sleeping giant' crowd on DePaul. Hiring another old re-tread like Howland is not the say. Maybe a Tim Miles would take a phone call. But DePaul needs a young hungry type like Tom Crean was when he rebuilt Marquette. Somebody who will be all over campus and social media, driving to students to Allstate or whatever. Maybe we have different definitions of 're-tread'. Howland is 57 and has been to 3 final fours. I think he has a lot of basketball left in him and could turn that program around quickly.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 15, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
Howland would be a homerun hire for DePaul.
I heard him talk about the Marquette opportunity, and it was clear he wanted that job. I think he wants a decent job..period.
Howland could turn that program around even without local relationships.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 15, 2015 12:12:18 GMT -5
Ben Jacobsen from UNI has the success and Midwest connections
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 15, 2015 12:16:36 GMT -5
Howland would be a great hire but i don't see DePaul going in that direction. I think they will definitely hire somebody with Chicago connections. Maybe Reggie Theus.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 15, 2015 12:20:22 GMT -5
I like the Wardle idea too. Definite up and comer. I agree with HoyasareHungry and think DePaul should think outside the box but they won't.
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Post by lucky on Mar 15, 2015 12:26:48 GMT -5
While watching one of the non big east games yesterday, some commentator suggested DePaul go with a young coach with local connections. Doesn't one of our assistants fit that description.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 15, 2015 12:37:46 GMT -5
Taken from NJ's post in this thread: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/28594/2015-college-basketball-coaching-carousel?page=3Updated list of potential DePaul coaches, per scuttlebutt (Chicago ties in italics): Mark Aguirre (no coaching experience; DePaul graduate) Tyrone Corbin (former Utah Jazz and Sacramento King head coach; DePaul graduate) Tom Crean (Indiana head coach; none) Mike Davis (Texas Southern head coach and former head coach at Indiana; none) Bryce Drew (Valparaiso head coach; sat on the NBA Bulls bench for a season) Jarod Haase (Alabama Birmingham head coach; none) Ben Howland (Fox Sports 1 talking head and former head coach at UCLA and Pittsburgh; none) Bobby Hurley (Buffalo head coach; none) Martin Inglesby (Notre Dame assistant coach; none) Ben Jacobson (Northern Iowa head coach; none) Mike Lonergan (George Washington head coach; none) Steve Masiello (Manhattan head coach; none) Marvin Menzies (New Mexico State head coach; none) Archie Miller (Dayton head coach; none) Dan Muller (Illinois State head coach; none) Kenny Payne (Kentucky assistant coach; none) Craig Robinson (ESPN commentator and former head coach at Oregon State and Brown; born in Chicago and is President Obama's brother-in-law) Lorenzo Romar (Washington head coach;none) Brian Wardle (Wisconsin-Green Bay head coach; grew up in a Chicago suburb)
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 15, 2015 12:39:34 GMT -5
Shaka Smart. His grandfather lived in Chicago IIRC so Smart has spent time there.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 12:56:43 GMT -5
While watching one of the non big east games yesterday, some commentator suggested DePaul go with a young coach with local connections. Doesn't one of our assistants fit that description. "Bite your tongue!" Unfortunately, yes. I think I posted that months ago, when I was busy advocating for a new coach at DePaul. Hopefully (for purely selfish reasons) that doesn't happen just yet.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 15, 2015 13:07:49 GMT -5
DePaul won't go after Hardy as a head coach. Now as a lead assistant.......
Shaka, would be a great hire but Shaka already turned down a couple of higher profile jobs including Illinois.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 13:14:33 GMT -5
I think Shaka is waiting for a Duke or UNC to come a knocking .
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 15, 2015 13:37:23 GMT -5
Huh?? Why would any of those coaches leave their gigs? That's nuts. Realistically: Howland, Masiello, Wardle, or some young up and comer. I think you need to think outside the "has Chicago connections" and just hire the best coach you can. Your assistants can be filled with Chicago connects. Here's hoping they get this hire right. . You must not understand what "long shot feeler" is. No, I understood the long shot comment I just don't get why even waste time doing that; especially coaches that are already in the BE....has there ever been a coach that left a team for another in the same conference? And I don't want Dixon anywhere near the BE....we always struggled against Pitt and that whiny prick was the biggest negative recruiter against us. Constantly talked ish about Gtown. We already have our new Pitt in X Hope that the powers that be in the BE and Fox "lend a hand" with this search/decision, because DePaul would be great to resurrect from the ashes
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 15, 2015 13:40:51 GMT -5
I still like the strategy that Jalen Rose floated a year or two back: Hire former Depaul All-American Rod Strickland as head coach, and at his introductory press conference have him brashly proclaim that any Chicago high school player who chooses to play his college ball elsewhere is turning his back on the city. Kids relate to this kind of confidence and would certainly relate to it a lot more than some older coach with no real ties to the school or the city (like Purnell or Howland). It would set up Depaul with an "us against the world" mentality (and grab some headlines locally). Hopefully it works and catches the attention of players in the city; if it doesn't connect with local players, Depaul is really no worse off than now (not getting any top local players) and continues to focus recruiting outside of just the city of Chicago.
Plus Strickland is living proof that you can go to Depaul and have a successful NBA career--something that's not necessarily a given in the mind of recruits considering there's a mere one Blue Demon in the Association right now. And he's studied for several years under Calipari, so hopefully he's learned a thing or two about recruiting in the "gray areas" and he can form some connections with local AAU guys by any means necessary. On the downside, Strickland is currently an assistant at USF, who sucks. But who knows if that indicates anything about his coaching acumen. If he was a figurehead coach with a designated X's and O's guy on the bench he may end up alright.
Overall though, I'm all in on Depaul hiring somebody who is an elite recruiter, maybe a little bit questionable ethically, who is going to land some elite one-and-done type recruits. That's one thing our league is missing right now. There are a lot of pretty good teams, but we don't really have anyone landing one-and-done type talent, which is a lot of times what draws in casual fans. The average Joe, in many cases, only cares about college basketball as a means to see guys who are going to make an NBA impact soon. Quality teams with mostly 4 year guys are good as the basis for your conference, but as far as media attention goes, some one-and-dones are good for business. I kind of view Depaul as playing with house money for the Big East--I'm happy if they get a coach that's a little shady, and if it works out they'll bring attention to the conference and we can all hate them for being "cheaters." If it doesn't work out, it's no big loss because they're no worse than now and SOMEBODY has to be in 8th, 9th and 10th in the league.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 13:44:51 GMT -5
IF RBHoya is on target, then DePaul should go after Kenny Payne (the assistant at Kentucky). After all, he's learning at the side of the master recruiter who is "a little questionable" ethically in John Calipari. Not sure, though, that the good Vincentian fathers will be willing to go that route.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 15, 2015 13:59:56 GMT -5
Not so sure Lavin is safe at SJU. If you read the Post and Daily News links, no one has been impressed with his tenure and lack of success especially in March. That senior class has not won a BET game! Lavin has wasted so much talent in that senior class. If they are one and done in the NCAAs, I think he is actually out. He has not been able to recruit at all and he has one year left on his contract, they need to make a decision on him this year for recruiting purposes. As for Depaul, I would go young and hungry with Chicago or Midwest connections. No big names, or even old names will want that job. Get a guy that will use it as a stepping stone, he will leave the program better than it is now and that is what they need right now. Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello 10m10 minutes ago Chris Obekpa has been suspended two weeks for a violation of team rules, per the school. Lavin won't last unless they go on a sweet 16 run..
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 14:03:40 GMT -5
. You must not understand what "long shot feeler" is. No, I understood the long shot comment I just don't get why even waste time doing that; especially coaches that are already in the BE....has there ever been a coach that left a team for another in the same conference? And I don't want Dixon anywhere near the BE....we always struggled against Pitt and that whiny prick was the biggest negative recruiter against us. Constantly talked ish about Gtown. We already have our new Pitt in X Hope that the powers that be in the BE and Fox "lend a hand" with this search/decision, because DePaul would be great to resurrect from the ashes At this point the Big East Conference, coaches, AD, whoever else, should be hiring the DePaul coach with DePaul having veto power and confirmation power, not the other way around. It's not going to be an easy job but I think it is a huge opportunity. College basketball is all about coaching, if you make a good hire here it could be an excellent improvement to the conference. Same with St Johns whenever the get rid of Lavin. Neither are desirable jobs so it will take some excellent decision making and hiring intelligence to get it done. Not easy, but not impossible.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 14:09:07 GMT -5
No, I understood the long shot comment I just don't get why even waste time doing that; especially coaches that are already in the BE....has there ever been a coach that left a team for another in the same conference? And I don't want Dixon anywhere near the BE....we always struggled against Pitt and that whiny prick was the biggest negative recruiter against us. Constantly talked ish about Gtown. We already have our new Pitt in X Hope that the powers that be in the BE and Fox "lend a hand" with this search/decision, because DePaul would be great to resurrect from the ashes At this point the Big East Conference, coaches, AD, whoever else, should be hiring the DePaul coach with DePaul having veto power and confirmation power, not the other way around. It's not going to be an easy job but I think it is a huge opportunity. College basketball is all about coaching, if you make a good hire here it could be an excellent improvement to the conference. Same with St Johns whenever the get rid of Lavin. Neither are desirable jobs so it will take some excellent decision making and hiring intelligence to get it done. Not easy, but not impossible. I understand the sentiment that the next hire at DePaul, and potentially at St. John's, are crucial decisions, but I'm not comfortable saying that outsiders, such as the conference or its coaches/athletic directors, should get involved to that extent in the hiring process. Asking the conference etc. for recommendations is one thing, but how far should paternalism go? Does the conference have the right to tell a school NOT to fire a coach? It's a very slippery slope. What if the school involved was Georgetown? Would we accept being told who to hire, subject to veto power? I think not.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 15, 2015 14:25:46 GMT -5
I still like the strategy that Jalen Rose floated a year or two back: Hire former Depaul All-American Rod Strickland as head coach, and at his introductory press conference have him brashly proclaim that any Chicago high school player who chooses to play his college ball elsewhere is turning his back on the city. Kids relate to this kind of confidence and would certainly relate to it a lot more than some older coach with no real ties to the school or the city (like Purnell or Howland). It would set up Depaul with an "us against the world" mentality (and grab some headlines locally). Hopefully it works and catches the attention of players in the city; if it doesn't connect with local players, Depaul is really no worse off than now (not getting any top local players) and continues to focus recruiting outside of just the city of Chicago. Plus Strickland is living proof that you can go to Depaul and have a successful NBA career--something that's not necessarily a given in the mind of recruits considering there's a mere one Blue Demon in the Association right now. And he's studied for several years under Calipari, so hopefully he's learned a thing or two about recruiting in the "gray areas" and he can form some connections with local AAU guys by any means necessary. On the downside, Strickland is currently an assistant at USF, who sucks. But who knows if that indicates anything about his coaching acumen. If he was a figurehead coach with a designated X's and O's guy on the bench he may end up alright. Overall though, I'm all in on Depaul hiring somebody who is an elite recruiter, maybe a little bit questionable ethically, who is going to land some elite one-and-done type recruits. That's one thing our league is missing right now. There are a lot of pretty good teams, but we don't really have anyone landing one-and-done type talent, which is a lot of times what draws in casual fans. The average Joe, in many cases, only cares about college basketball as a means to see guys who are going to make an NBA impact soon. Quality teams with mostly 4 year guys are good as the basis for your conference, but as far as media attention goes, some one-and-dones are good for business. I kind of view Depaul as playing with house money for the Big East--I'm happy if they get a coach that's a little shady, and if it works out they'll bring attention to the conference and we can all hate them for being "cheaters." If it doesn't work out, it's no big loss because they're no worse than now and SOMEBODY has to be in 8th, 9th and 10th in the league. I think this is a Jalen Rose / Bill Simmons idea and given where the program is right now I think you swing for the fences. Call any Chi kid who leaves the city a traitor. If you waste two years, who gives a . You're back exactly where you were. Hire an alum who can get Chicago kids to stay in the city. Whether this is Strickland or Corbin isn't particularly relevant. And yes, the verb "Hoiberging" it referred to getting an alum to turn your program around. His connection to ISU makes III's connection to GU look tenuous. Grew up in the shadow of the university, his dad taught there, he starred there, they call him "The Mayor"!!! It would take an NBA gig to get him out of there and even then I could see him turning down a subpar NBA job. Ty Corbin was a bad NBA coach but as Pitino, Calipari, Saban, et al have proved pro is different from college. To paraphrase a corny old coach of mine, coaching at the college level is much more Jimmys and Joes than X's and O's. If he's willing to recruit I think you get Corbin.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 15, 2015 14:29:24 GMT -5
Howland is a fantastic coach in a lot of ways, but if he couldn't get along with the west coast AAU/Pump n Run folks, he's not going to get along with Chicago HS coaches.
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