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Post by canissaxa on Mar 3, 2015 12:25:13 GMT -5
As I've said, I do not expect us to win tonight. If we can't win at Providence, Xavier, or St. John's, I'm not sure how we win at Hinkle. That said, our road woes are starting to present pretty strong evidence that a Sweet Sixteen run is kind of out of the question. With just a couple of exceptions--three of them at home where we won't be playing in the postseason and just the Indiana overtime win at a neutral site--when we've played good teams, we've lost to them. We are going to play good teams--again, not at Verizon Center--in the NCAA tournament. If we can't win tonight or in a 4/5 game at MSG, I don't think we have much hope of winning any tournament games. That said, we may be like an 8th seed under those circumstances, so losing wouldn't really be an upset. Agreed. Although I think it's a small exaggeration to say we don't "have much hope of winning any tournament games." Hope spring eternal on this board (along with trolls). Given the per possession arguments made by others, I'd think we have a 25-40% shot at winnning the first game regardless of opponent (assuming a 4-8 seed line). And maybe a 20-30% shot at winning the second (assuming we're a 4-6 seed--less if we're a 7 or 8). So maybe 5-12% shot at Sweet Sixteen. Be ironic if this flawed team got a deservedly mediocre seed and then overperformed 2 games in a row and dispelled our poor NCAA reputation. I suppose we're due for some karma.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2015 12:26:39 GMT -5
I would just like to see JS not pick up 2 quick stupid fouls. I dont even care if he commits a fouls contesting a dunk or a drive, just dont get caught on the perimeter grabbing or pushing an opponent thats not even making a basketball move. That would be me very happy. Playing at Butler, I would literally bet $1000 than Josh has 2 fouls at halftime. I'd probably bet $200 that he does so 10 min of court time or less. Not trying to be negative or even slag Josh. Just the reality of playing on the road with a player that the zebras have shown a willingness to whistle all year long when the offensive player initiates contact. Given how critical it is for an undersized team to get Josh off the court to protect their own bigs and how easy the refs and Josh himself makes it, it would be extremely poor tactical decision not to drive hard at Josh early and often. To my mind, this team's boom/bust potential rests solely on the shoulders of Joshua Smith. He can be a dominant force - a true difference maker and a nightmare matchup for an opponent who lacks the size to match up with him. HOWEVER, he seems completely uninterested in playing against anyone near his size who possesses any skill and, IMO, almost literally gives up at the first sign of adversity when playing against good big men. I keep waiting to see this change, and it just hasn't. So we must rely on getting favorable matchups to make any noise in March. The good news is Butler doesn't really have much girth inside - though they do have a few skilled players - so I think we could see good, interested Josh tonight. Which gives us a chance.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2015 12:27:30 GMT -5
Sounds like Charbarz is "available to play" today. Not surpirising they would say that if there was any chance. As others said, I think he's a non factor either way.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2015 12:28:30 GMT -5
As I've said, I do not expect us to win tonight. If we can't win at Providence, Xavier, or St. John's, I'm not sure how we win at Hinkle. That said, our road woes are starting to present pretty strong evidence that a Sweet Sixteen run is kind of out of the question. With just a couple of exceptions--three of them at home where we won't be playing in the postseason and just the Indiana overtime win at a neutral site--when we've played good teams, we've lost to them. We are going to play good teams--again, not at Verizon Center--in the NCAA tournament. If we can't win tonight or in a 4/5 game at MSG, I don't think we have much hope of winning any tournament games. That said, we may be like an 8th seed under those circumstances, so losing wouldn't really be an upset. The teams we play will also be on neutral floors. We played 4 neutral court games, all against good or great teams. We played 3 good games and 1 bad game. We are not going to the Final Four, but the Sweet Sixteen is absolutely possible.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2015 12:28:27 GMT -5
Agree, I would be shocked if we got the benefit of any whistle tonight. Josh needs to go into this game knowing this. No frustration fouls.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2015 12:41:14 GMT -5
As I've said, I do not expect us to win tonight. If we can't win at Providence, Xavier, or St. John's, I'm not sure how we win at Hinkle. That said, our road woes are starting to present pretty strong evidence that a Sweet Sixteen run is kind of out of the question. With just a couple of exceptions--three of them at home where we won't be playing in the postseason and just the Indiana overtime win at a neutral site--when we've played good teams, we've lost to them. We are going to play good teams--again, not at Verizon Center--in the NCAA tournament. If we can't win tonight or in a 4/5 game at MSG, I don't think we have much hope of winning any tournament games. That said, we may be like an 8th seed under those circumstances, so losing wouldn't really be an upset. Agreed. Although I think it's a small exaggeration to say we don't "have much hope of winning any tournament games." Hope spring eternal on this board (along with trolls). Given the per possession arguments made by others, I'd think we have a 25-40% shot at winnning the first game regardless of opponent (assuming a 4-8 seed line). And maybe a 20-30% shot at winning the second (assuming we're a 4-6 seed--less if we're a 7 or 8). So maybe 5-12% shot at Sweet Sixteen. Be ironic if this flawed team got a deservedly mediocre seed and then overperformed 2 games in a row and dispelled our poor NCAA reputation. I suppose we're due for some karma. We are definitely long overdue for some good NCAA tourney karma (BET too)!
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 3, 2015 12:47:04 GMT -5
As I've said, I do not expect us to win tonight. If we can't win at Providence, Xavier, or St. John's, I'm not sure how we win at Hinkle. That said, our road woes are starting to present pretty strong evidence that a Sweet Sixteen run is kind of out of the question. With just a couple of exceptions--three of them at home where we won't be playing in the postseason and just the Indiana overtime win at a neutral site--when we've played good teams, we've lost to them. We are going to play good teams--again, not at Verizon Center--in the NCAA tournament. If we can't win tonight or in a 4/5 game at MSG, I don't think we have much hope of winning any tournament games. That said, we may be like an 8th seed under those circumstances, so losing wouldn't really be an upset. The teams we play will also be on neutral floors. We played 4 neutral court games, all against good or great teams. We played 3 good games and 1 bad game. We are not going to the Final Four, but the Sweet Sixteen is absolutely possible. Our resume is better than UConn's was last year at this point in time. And it is already better than Tennessee's was last year, and they also made it to the Sweet 16.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 3, 2015 12:52:50 GMT -5
As I've said, I do not expect us to win tonight. If we can't win at Providence, Xavier, or St. John's, I'm not sure how we win at Hinkle. That said, our road woes are starting to present pretty strong evidence that a Sweet Sixteen run is kind of out of the question. With just a couple of exceptions--three of them at home where we won't be playing in the postseason and just the Indiana overtime win at a neutral site--when we've played good teams, we've lost to them. We are going to play good teams--again, not at Verizon Center--in the NCAA tournament. If we can't win tonight or in a 4/5 game at MSG, I don't think we have much hope of winning any tournament games. That said, we may be like an 8th seed under those circumstances, so losing wouldn't really be an upset. Agreed. Although I think it's a small exaggeration to say we don't "have much hope of winning any tournament games." Hope spring eternal on this board (along with trolls). Given the per possession arguments made by others, I'd think we have a 25-40% shot at winnning the first game regardless of opponent (assuming a 4-8 seed line). And maybe a 20-30% shot at winning the second (assuming we're a 4-6 seed--less if we're a 7 or 8). So maybe 5-12% shot at Sweet Sixteen. Be ironic if this flawed team got a deservedly mediocre seed and then overperformed 2 games in a row and dispelled our poor NCAA reputation. I suppose we're due for some karma. Now this is spoken like a Hoya fan of the last 7 years. We would be favored in almost any first round game we play (so more than 50% chance of winning). The only way we're not is versus an under-seeded 9 seed as an 8. The bar for "over-achievement" on this board is now below under-achievement. There is almost no scenario we shouldn't expect at least a first round win and several still in play where we'd be favored in the 2nd round game. Lunardi's current projection is Tulsa and then the winner of Iowa St.- UC Davis. That's like a 5-point favorite and a 2-point dog worst case scenario: only doomsday if you assume we do in fact suck in the tourney.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 3, 2015 13:22:56 GMT -5
I totally agree with the notion that its all about the matchups. This team has shown the ability to play well enough to beat almost anybody in the country. I think advancing to the R of 32 needs to happen and after that its kind of a crap shoot.
Also, I've seen Iowa State a number of times this year and they don't play much defense but I absolutely do not want to see them as a potential R of 32 opponent. Josh Smith would not be able to guard anyone in their rotation. I envision that game playing out just like the game at Nova this year.
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 3, 2015 13:41:40 GMT -5
Agreed. Although I think it's a small exaggeration to say we don't "have much hope of winning any tournament games." Hope spring eternal on this board (along with trolls). Given the per possession arguments made by others, I'd think we have a 25-40% shot at winnning the first game regardless of opponent (assuming a 4-8 seed line). And maybe a 20-30% shot at winning the second (assuming we're a 4-6 seed--less if we're a 7 or 8). So maybe 5-12% shot at Sweet Sixteen. Be ironic if this flawed team got a deservedly mediocre seed and then overperformed 2 games in a row and dispelled our poor NCAA reputation. I suppose we're due for some karma. Now this is spoken like a Hoya fan of the last 7 years. We would be favored in almost any first round game we play (so more than 50% chance of winning). The only way we're not is versus an under-seeded 9 seed as an 8. The bar for "over-achievement" on this board is now below under-achievement. There is almost no scenario we shouldn't expect at least a first round win and several still in play where we'd be favored in the 2nd round game. Lunardi's current projection is Tulsa and then the winner of Iowa St.- UC Davis. That's like a 5-point favorite and a 2-point dog worst case scenario: only doomsday if you assume we do in fact suck in the tourney. I will admit to being gunshy based on past NCAA performance, but I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic and I am basing projections based on this season (e.g. relevant data points) rather than some ridiculous notion that JTIII somehow can't coach in the tournament. Tulsa is pretty weak matchup and I'd accept we'd be in decent shape against them. But let's not use Lunardi to identify potential 1st round competitors. Per bracketmatrix.com/, here are the five 11 seeds with their Kenpom ranks in parentheses and very close matches in overall strength from our current schedule: - Boise St (37) -- Compare to St. Johns #36 - North Carolina St. (42) - Compare to Providence #41 - Cincinatti (43)- Compare to Providence #41 - Purdue (50) - Compare to Indiana #48 - Temple (62) - No good comparisons. Other than Temple, that list of teams looks like a tossup on a neutral floor to me. We are 2 and 3 against the relevant comparables. When I put us at 25-40% to win this matchup, it's because I worry that our game-to-game ceiling isn't as high as some of our peers. When it counts more, I think some of these teams can raise their game more than we can. They might play harder defense, take less forced shots. This is a left handed complement, but I think we play about as hard and smart as we can given our talent. Our main variable impacting performance is hitting 3s. Hitting 3s makes us look like worldbeaters, but that goes for every team in the coutnry. The 3 seeds on bracketmatrix are below: - Baylor (9) - Oklahoma (11) - Iowa St (14) - Maryland (34) Now obviously, one of these isn't like the other. And we have the advantage of potentially slotting into Maryland for geo if seeding holds--one can hope. But the best comparable for the others is KU (12). We lost by 5 at home to KU after playing a pretty darn good game. With a 4pt home court advantage, that puts us at a 9pt dog--when we play our B+ game. Obviously, more statistically sound ways to estimate this, but unless we get Temple / Maryland, I'll stand by my ~10% shot at S16 estimate.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2015 13:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 14:16:38 GMT -5
^^^ LOL
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2015 14:38:52 GMT -5
Now this is spoken like a Hoya fan of the last 7 years. We would be favored in almost any first round game we play (so more than 50% chance of winning). The only way we're not is versus an under-seeded 9 seed as an 8. The bar for "over-achievement" on this board is now below under-achievement. There is almost no scenario we shouldn't expect at least a first round win and several still in play where we'd be favored in the 2nd round game. Lunardi's current projection is Tulsa and then the winner of Iowa St.- UC Davis. That's like a 5-point favorite and a 2-point dog worst case scenario: only doomsday if you assume we do in fact suck in the tourney. I will admit to being gunshy based on past NCAA performance, but I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic and I am basing projections based on this season (e.g. relevant data points) rather than some ridiculous notion that JTIII somehow can't coach in the tournament. Tulsa is pretty weak matchup and I'd accept we'd be in decent shape against them. But let's not use Lunardi to identify potential 1st round competitors. Per bracketmatrix.com/, here are the five 11 seeds with their Kenpom ranks in parentheses and very close matches in overall strength from our current schedule: - Boise St (37) -- Compare to St. Johns #36 - North Carolina St. (42) - Compare to Providence #41 - Cincinatti (43)- Compare to Providence #41 - Purdue (50) - Compare to Indiana #48 - Temple (62) - No good comparisons. Other than Temple, that list of teams looks like a tossup on a neutral floor to me. We are 2 and 3 against the relevant comparables. When I put us at 25-40% to win this matchup, it's because I worry that our game-to-game ceiling isn't as high as some of our peers. When it counts more, I think some of these teams can raise their game more than we can. They might play harder defense, take less forced shots. This is a left handed complement, but I think we play about as hard and smart as we can given our talent. Our main variable impacting performance is hitting 3s. Hitting 3s makes us look like worldbeaters, but that goes for every team in the coutnry. The 3 seeds on bracketmatrix are below: - Baylor (9) - Oklahoma (11) - Iowa St (14) - Maryland (34) Now obviously, one of these isn't like the other. And we have the advantage of potentially slotting into Maryland for geo if seeding holds--one can hope. But the best comparable for the others is KU (12). We lost by 5 at home to KU after playing a pretty darn good game. With a 4pt home court advantage, that puts us at a 9pt dog--when we play our B+ game. Obviously, more statistically sound ways to estimate this, but unless we get Temple / Maryland, I'll stand by my ~10% shot at S16 estimate. If you are going to "evaluate" our chances based on our performances against comparables, I believe you have to correlate it by comparing the performances of our prospective opponents against teams with kenpom ratings comparable to ours. At a quick glance and without doing a bunch of math, I believe that views our chances more favorably than 25%-40%. Not to mention the fact that in college basketball, specific matchups are usually the key to success. E.g. Boise plays nothing like St. John's, so a straight rating evaluation carries minimal weight.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 3, 2015 14:42:34 GMT -5
Now this is spoken like a Hoya fan of the last 7 years. We would be favored in almost any first round game we play (so more than 50% chance of winning). The only way we're not is versus an under-seeded 9 seed as an 8. The bar for "over-achievement" on this board is now below under-achievement. There is almost no scenario we shouldn't expect at least a first round win and several still in play where we'd be favored in the 2nd round game. Lunardi's current projection is Tulsa and then the winner of Iowa St.- UC Davis. That's like a 5-point favorite and a 2-point dog worst case scenario: only doomsday if you assume we do in fact suck in the tourney. I will admit to being gunshy based on past NCAA performance, but I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic and I am basing projections based on this season (e.g. relevant data points) rather than some ridiculous notion that JTIII somehow can't coach in the tournament. Tulsa is pretty weak matchup and I'd accept we'd be in decent shape against them. But let's not use Lunardi to identify potential 1st round competitors. Per bracketmatrix.com/, here are the five 11 seeds with their Kenpom ranks in parentheses and very close matches in overall strength from our current schedule: - Boise St (37) -- Compare to St. Johns #36 - North Carolina St. (42) - Compare to Providence #41 - Cincinatti (43)- Compare to Providence #41 - Purdue (50) - Compare to Indiana #48 - Temple (62) - No good comparisons. Other than Temple, that list of teams looks like a tossup on a neutral floor to me. We are 2 and 3 against the relevant comparables. When I put us at 25-40% to win this matchup, it's because I worry that our game-to-game ceiling isn't as high as some of our peers. When it counts more, I think some of these teams can raise their game more than we can. They might play harder defense, take less forced shots. This is a left handed complement, but I think we play about as hard and smart as we can given our talent. Our main variable impacting performance is hitting 3s. Hitting 3s makes us look like worldbeaters, but that goes for every team in the coutnry. The 3 seeds on bracketmatrix are below: - Baylor (9) - Oklahoma (11) - Iowa St (14) - Maryland (34) Now obviously, one of these isn't like the other. And we have the advantage of potentially slotting into Maryland for geo if seeding holds--one can hope. But the best comparable for the others is KU (12). We lost by 5 at home to KU after playing a pretty darn good game. With a 4pt home court advantage, that puts us at a 9pt dog--when we play our B+ game. Obviously, more statistically sound ways to estimate this, but unless we get Temple / Maryland, I'll stand by my ~10% shot at S16 estimate. I don't think you are wrong. Part of what is driving that is that there is less difference between a 3 seed, a 6 seed and an 11 seed on a day to day basis. The reality is that you have to play well in the tournament or you lose. With the exception of very high seeds' first games and a couple of truly elite teams every year, there are no games where you are going to be a 75% favorite.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 3, 2015 15:06:05 GMT -5
It would be quite unusual for us to go an entire season without a good road win, wouldn't it? Butler is well coached and plays well together...we still have more talent and more athletes and lots of seniors who see their careers winding down. Will be disappointed if we do not get this one. Too bad athletes and talent do not win games - so tired of hearing about our "talent". Winning comes down to how well you play as a unit and how efficiently you produce points and get defensive stops. Up to this point, Butler does that better than the Hoyas despite this apparent gap in "talent". So I do not understand how I could be disappointed if we lose a game on Senior night to a ranked team on the road. I will be disappointed if we play like garbage as we did against SJU. NC....I do not disagree with your premise. In fact I stated Butler is well coached and plays great team ball. By no means would I bet on the Hoyas tonight..However, I just feel as if we have enough talent to pull it off, and as stated, we normally do grab a nice road win each year. So, (perhaps irrationally)..I will be disappointed if we lose this one. If we were playing at Kentucky...no I would not be disappointed in a loss!
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 3, 2015 15:13:44 GMT -5
If you are going to "evaluate" our chances based on our performances against comparables, I believe you have to correlate it by comparing the performances of our prospective opponents against teams with kenpom ratings comparable to ours. At a quick glance and without doing a bunch of math, I believe that views our chances more favorably than 25%-40%. Not to mention the fact that in college basketball, specific matchups are usually the key to success. E.g. Boise plays nothing like St. John's, so a straight rating evaluation carries minimal weight. Re: Kenpom favorite, completely acknowledge that we would be an on-paper favorite versus all the #11 seeds and even one of the #3 seeds. Hence my point that I think we're over-rated by Kenpom. Not my most sound analytical point--more of a hunch. Re: matchups, your point certainly reflects conventional wisdom. Very hard to test/prove--either analytically or anecdotally. ESPN has their giant killer model that purports to provide some science to the matchup concept--seems like complete garbage to me. I think overall team ability is far more important than matchups. That belief isn't going to stop me from analyzing our matchup when the bracket comes out, of course. But not going to break down prospective 11 seeds at this point in the season. Ranking seems like a reasonable proxy to speak about our possible opponent at this stage of the season.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 3, 2015 15:21:53 GMT -5
When I put us at 25-40% to win this matchup, it's because I worry that our game-to-game ceiling isn't as high as some of our peers. I wonder if that's because you've got fewer examples from this year's team of a high "game-to-game ceiling". It's pretty basic message board psychology when one is projecting if, say, their team could beat a 3-seed in the Round of 32, to say "Well, we beat Team X in January, and they're basically in the 3 seed range..." Heck, you're doing it with 11 seeds in your post. We really only beat one team all season projected to be a Top-4 seed (Villanova), so it's harder to make that leap. Of course, we also haven't lost to anyone yet that's projected below a 9 seed on BracketMatrix (Xavier) either*, so how does one handle that? Do you make the leap to say, "Well ya know, maybe we're less likely to lose to that 11 seed...". In truth, this year's team causes a bit of cognitive dissonance because their profile is atypical of a recent Georgetown team, as I think SFHoya99 alluded to earlier today/yesterday. We tend to have the resume** with several marquee wins, but also a few bad losses or just ugly games, so it provides vivid examples of "We could beat anybody!" or "We could lose to anybody!" Think of 2010 (wins over Duke, #2 Nova, Cuse in the BET, losses to USF and Rutgers) and 2013 (6 W's over ranked teams, but losses to USF and Pitt by 28 and ugly games against Tennessee and Towson). I said it somewhere else the other day: this team isn't really overachieving or underachieving, it just kind of exists. And a 6-seed would seem fitting, because that to me is the seed line that says "Eh, we don't know." (*I looked it up yesterday, and at the time, nobody in the RPI 20-27 had a winning record against the RPI Top 50. Our 4-9 was the worst record by percentage, but we'd played the most games, and I don't think anyone else had more than 5 Top 50 wins. So our profile is EVEN MORE KINDA JUST THERE than we thought!) (**What is a "typical" resume anyway? The one with several marquee wins and a few bad losses? Or the one where you've basically beat everyone below you, lost to everyone above you, and split the ones around you?)
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2015 16:21:35 GMT -5
We are a very inconsistent team. Each game is a roll of the dice. We may play good enough to run Villanova off the floor. We may also lay a big fat ugly egg.
We just have the play the game and see how we do.
The good news is that making a run is not unprecedented.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 16:37:52 GMT -5
As NC said, you are going to a dark place, boss. The other way to look at this is that we are about the 20-30th best team in the country, and we are somewhere between a 4-7 seed in the tourney. That means we have a decent shot to go on a run in the BET, we will be slight favorites in the first tourney game, and probably slight underdogs in the second game if we win. That doesnt say to me that a S16 run is out of the question. If it is, then it also out of the question for every 4-8 seed in the NCAA tournament. You know that's not true. One tourney win could change everything. Who knows if an overrated Maryland gets waxed by North Dakota Community State College in the first game in our pod. I've got to agree with Big Dog--obviously, no team with only 4 wins in the top 50 of the RPI (none on the road) has a chance of making it to the Sweet Sixteen. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/year/2014/teamId/41espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/year/2014/sort/RPI/teamId/2633Didn't I say "kind of out of the question"? I shouldn't have to put the cavaet "anything is possible" into every comment I make, right? I'm talking here about what would seem to be realistic based on the evidence. There was a point in time not that long ago where I felt like a Sweet Sixteen appearance was a realistic possibility, if not at all guaranteed depending on match-ups. And obviously it could still happen and would be exhilirating. We basically need to repeat the home Butler/home Villanova performances in back-to-back fashion. But that's really only happened one time. I'm just trying to manage expectation. As of this moment, with tonight's result yet unknown, I am of the view that any NCAA victory this season would be something of major significance to be celebrated and delighted (and not just because of our recent history of choking).
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 16:38:44 GMT -5
Be ironic if this flawed team got a deservedly mediocre seed and then overperformed 2 games in a row and dispelled our poor NCAA reputation. I suppose we're due for some karma. Let's rekindle that 2001 magic!
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