sead43
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Post by sead43 on Feb 26, 2015 22:43:33 GMT -5
The weird thing is i could've sworn they used an overhead shot from right above midcourt for a replay on the broadcast earlier in the Marquette game but then didn't show that angle during the review of the carlino shot. Worked out for us. (But as an aside, does anyone know if it's possible that the refs see an angle during a review that the tv viewers don't see? I assume that's possible, though i don't know why they wouldn't show all the available angles on tv.)
Also, I'm pretty sure FS1 had motorcycle racing on opposite our most recent CBSSN game, not even NASCAR. Weird but maybe even that beats us ratings-wise.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Feb 26, 2015 23:00:59 GMT -5
I acknowledge the broadcasts tend to have a low budget feel, sometimes.But overall, I have been pleasantly surprised at the amount of games available and even the announcing crews. As someone said, the best thing is that they talk Big East hoop most of the time. Gus Johnson and Raff obviously very good. Donny Marshall makes some pretty insightful commentary for a UConn guy.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 26, 2015 23:15:11 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S. The only thing they got right is Jill Arrington. HELLLLLLO LA LA LA. I'd rather watch soccer then a TV broadcast of a NYC sports radio show. Agreed on point 2.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2015 23:20:32 GMT -5
I think there is opportunity being missed to tout the league. ESPN sells the hell out of its own stuff on Sportscaster. FS Live needs to do more with the Big East in terms of highlights and everything else.
FS1 doesn't have buyer's remorse. What the hell else were they supposed to show on weeknights in February? Somebody wants the live programming.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 26, 2015 23:40:49 GMT -5
You would think FS1 was HTS quality (old school reference) based upon how some of you gripe about it.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 26, 2015 23:54:07 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S. The only thing they got right is Jill Arrington. HELLLLLLO LA LA LA. Post this again when you're sober so there's a chance that someone understands it.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 27, 2015 0:07:21 GMT -5
You would think FS1 was HTS quality (old school reference) based upon how some of you gripe about it. Says the guy still complaining about Washington Post coverage. Because newspapers matter.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 27, 2015 0:13:05 GMT -5
The hue and cry over FS1 really humors me. Yes, its productions have a good deal of room for improvement, but they aren't horrific. Heck, I remember the early years of the Bristol operation and I just couldn't watch. They had a LOT of crap on with poor production values. It took ESPN a good while to get its act together. It was not an overnight success. Like a good grasshoppa, I'm exercising patience with our broadcast partner. It's best years are ahead of it. I get your meaning and I do also agree that there is a bit of a grace period/learning curve. But Fox isn't trying to break into new territory. But they should be striving, at the least, to keep pace with the existing sports landscape in terms of production and promotion. Netflix didn't have it easy early on with streaming. But every other company has, seemingly, gotten the blueprint. And, to be honest, if Fox wants to differentiate themselves, they should make every game they broadcast available for streaming the second the game concludes. To appease the sponsors, make it necessary to sit through the commercials on the stream but make them available and archive them. That would be a huge plus for those inclined to watch the games they broadcast in the first place and would be a huge upgrade over every other sports network of which I'm aware. Even double the commercials in the stream after the fact if needed. At least it would be available content that consumers would care about. Consumers that will, in the end, cut the cord on not only Fox but ESPN and the rest in growing numbers.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Feb 27, 2015 0:45:41 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S. Know one cares about grammar either.
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HoyaSC
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 27, 2015 7:58:37 GMT -5
My chief complaint is the sound mixing between announcers/floor/crowd seems off.
And that's not much of a complaint.
ESPN built up its CBB brand with BE hoops. FS1 will do the same and both our stocks will rise.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Feb 27, 2015 8:20:23 GMT -5
As the number of sports television and streaming options has increased significantly with the addition of programming from CBS Sports, NBC Sports and Fox, not to mention the regional networks like Root, Big 10, PAC 12 and the SEC network, the overall quality of the announcing has suffered. I watch at least 7-8 college basketball games a week and everyone is experiencing a decrease in quality. ESPN is rolling out some announcers on its ESPN 3 broadcasts who have little familiarity with the teams on the floor of the conference rivalries. It is really just the law of supply and demand and right now the demand is greater than the supply.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Feb 27, 2015 8:55:33 GMT -5
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 27, 2015 9:29:11 GMT -5
Overall, I think we need to understand that college basketball in general is one of the smaller mainstream sports. The ratings even on CBS games are not even in the same neighborhood as professional sports ratings or college football. It is what it is. Therefore, production costs have to be lower.
Could these networks leverage some of the same things they use for football, sure, but there is not a whole lot of incentive to innovate for college basketball. CBB is just not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If FS1 increased their viewership of CBB by whopping 20% you are talking a 100-200K increase in viewers versus a single digit increase in college football producing an even bigger increase in viewers.
While I have seen no increased coverage of the Hoyas here on the east coast, I know several Hoya fans oustide the DMV, NYC markets have experienced increased availability of the games on FS1. More of the games are "nationally" televised, which has to be a good thing.
As for the production, it is fine for me. It is not great, but I stated my expectations above. I actually think Joe Davis is a pretty good play by play guy and Donny Marshall is decent too. Over time I could see some of these commentators becoming very good.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 27, 2015 9:29:27 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S. The only thing they got right is Jill Arrington. HELLLLLLO LA LA LA. Post this again when you're sober so there's a chance that someone understands it. Dont know whats so hard to understand. FS1 rather air Soccer in the New York Market and pre empt The Mike Francesa Radio show. That doesnt make any sense!! Or were you talking about Jill Arrington. if you dont understand that then i cannot help you brotha...
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 27, 2015 9:33:39 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S. Know one cares about grammar either. Yeah so im not the best typer id admit. Also my ipad will not make a capital i for some reason.. And yes i forgot the "one" because i have a 15 mo old that was screaming and i really could not go back and correct it. im very sorry if my post bothered you that much that you had to point out the poor grammar. Actually from reading your posts in the past i honestly dont think very highly of your style on here. ill just leave it there, i really dont want to get into a big back and forth with you.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 27, 2015 9:41:55 GMT -5
Post this again when you're sober so there's a chance that someone understands it. Dont know whats so hard to understand. FS1 rather air Soccer in the New York Market and pre empt The Mike Francesa Radio show. That doesnt make any sense!! Or were you talking about Jill Arrington. if you dont understand that then i cannot help you brotha... I don't really understand the Francesa comment. FS1 garners far more viewers for soccer than for Mike with or without the Mad Dog. Last year's Champions' League Semifinals drew an average of 500,000 viewers to FS1. That's a really big number for the network, particularly considering the time of day (middle of the day on a weekday). Adjusting for the time of day, I'd say there's more interest in soccer in this country than in BE Basketball on FS1. Francesa's biggest audience on that network? 50,000. Now, those numbers are nationwide (not just the NYC market), but I'm certain that the soccer game outdrew Francesa in a NYC market comparison also. That's not a difficult decision!
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Feb 27, 2015 9:50:29 GMT -5
But now I've learned that Raftery is doing the Big Ten tournament semifinals and finals on CBS, meaning that he absolutely is NOT doing the BET final at the Garden. None of which matters if you are in MSG where you belong during the BET.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 27, 2015 10:04:46 GMT -5
Dont know whats so hard to understand. FS1 rather air Soccer in the New York Market and pre empt The Mike Francesa Radio show. That doesnt make any sense!! Or were you talking about Jill Arrington. if you dont understand that then i cannot help you brotha... I don't really understand the Francesa comment. FS1 garners far more viewers for soccer than for Mike with or without the Mad Dog. Last year's Champions' League Semifinals drew an average of 500,000 viewers to FS1. That's a really big number for the network, particularly considering the time of day (middle of the day on a weekday). Adjusting for the time of day, I'd say there's more interest in soccer in this country than in BE Basketball on FS1. Francesa's biggest audience on that network? 50,000. Now, those numbers are nationwide (not just the NYC market), but I'm certain that the soccer game outdrew Francesa in a NYC market comparison also. That's not a difficult decision! Listen, ratings wise your probably right. His show should be local to the NYC area and not national.. One point i will bring up is that they really dont promote his show a lot and that might contribute to the ratings not equalliing soccer or nascar. Honestly its not been a good marrage in my opinion. Clearly im biased because im not a soccer or nascar fan like most people in this area.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Feb 27, 2015 10:08:50 GMT -5
It's a radio show, on television. Living in Connecticut, one assumes you can access WFAN and get all of the "benefit" of Francesa without any of the drawbacks of having to observe his Diet Coke addiction. It is the very definition of cheap filler program, always better preempted by virtually any live sporting event, be it soccer, NASCAR, tennis, or tiddly-winks.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 27, 2015 10:13:13 GMT -5
Raf got an incredible opportunity to call the Final Four when Greg Anthony got arrested. With that probably came the obligation to call the B1G tournament, which is a great opportunity as well. Raf is as pro-BE as they come, I mean he left ESPN to work with the new league and has been a steady analyst on many broadcasts the last two seasons.
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