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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2015 17:16:10 GMT -5
I've brought up previously this season how cheap the FS1 broadcast production seems to be (with the absence of more than one camera angle to show Jabril's elbow at DePaul or Carlino's 3 at Marquette), and how frequently Fox seems to have licensed out good quality games (like Providence-Georgetown or Villanova-Butler) to CBS Sports Network. I don't think I have to say much to get people to agree with me that beyond Gus Johnson (who is overrated anyway) and Tim Brando, the bench of Fox play-by-play announcers is just terrible, including my favorite the clown who seemed to be openly rooting for Marquette during the Gtown-Marquette game. And all of the non-Raftery color analysts are complete nobodies--(sorry Ronnie).
But now I've learned that Raftery is doing the Big Ten tournament semifinals and finals on CBS, meaning that he absolutely is NOT doing the BET final at the Garden.
What is the deal here? FS1's BE treatment just gets worse and worse and worse.
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Post by Jack on Feb 26, 2015 17:28:23 GMT -5
Brando is an upgrade on Dick Stockton in that he remembers names most of the time. Donny Marshall isn't half bad as a color guy. FS1 is shown on JetBlue flights. Those are the nice things I can say about their coverage.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 26, 2015 17:31:15 GMT -5
It's not MASN low definition.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 26, 2015 17:32:31 GMT -5
I get to see far more games on television than before, so there are no complaints from me.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 17:47:49 GMT -5
There's the story of the old woman who complains to her daughter about the food in the assisted lving facility in which she lives. "The food is horrible, and the portions are small."
We are getting far more television coverage on FS1 than we would have gotten had we stayed at ESPN. Fox Sports is still building its own broadcast teams, and they are, as a whole, not at the level of "competence" to which we had become accustomed.
Yes, the play-by-play announcer for the Marquette game (I have intentionally deleted his name from my memory) was overly biased in favor of the underdog home team; generally, that happens when an underdog is unexpectedly giving the favorite a tougher game. The broadcaster roots for a good game, and to a supporter of one team it comes across as imbalanced. Question: Does anything think that Sean McDonough, Dave Pasch, or any other ESPN talking head/Syracuse grad would have done any differently in that game? How many times have we complained, in the past, about SU-centric coverage as biased against GU from the Bristol campus of the Newhouse School?
I expect that FS1's broadcast teams will improve in future seasons, much like their overall accessibility on a national basis will be better. We need to be a little more patient.
Now, as for Raftery forsaking us for the B1G. . .now that's a slap in the face!
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 26, 2015 17:54:46 GMT -5
I like Brando. I agree the coverage is pretty mediocre but at least I know when Georgetown is playing I'm going to be able to watch it on TV. That's worth something.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 26, 2015 17:57:33 GMT -5
There's the story of the old woman who complains to her daughter about the food in the assisted lving facility in which she lives. "The food is horrible, and the portions are small." We are getting far more television coverage on FS1 than we would have gotten had we stayed at ESPN. Fox Sports is still building its own broadcast teams, and they are, as a whole, not at the level of "competence" to which we had become accustomed. Yes, the play-by-play announcer for the Marquette game (I have intentionally deleted his name from my memory) was overly biased in favor of the underdog home team; generally, that happens when an underdog is unexpectedly giving the favorite a tougher game. The broadcaster roots for a good game, and to a supporter of one team it comes across as imbalanced. Question: Does anything think that Sean McDonough, Dave Pasch, or any other ESPN talking head/Syracuse grad would have done any differently in that game? How many times have we complained, in the past, about SU-centric coverage as biased against GU from the Bristol campus of the Newhouse School? I expect that FS1's broadcast teams will improve in future seasons, much like their overall accessibility on a national basis will be better. We need to be a little more patient. Now, as for Raftery forsaking us for the B1G. . .now that's a slap in the face! And I don't think I've had to hear the irrelevant over the top praise I random ACC schools (cough Duke cough) during our games in two years. I'm also saved from the arrogant speeches given by Jay Bilas on a nightly basis, for that I am also grateful.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Feb 26, 2015 18:02:31 GMT -5
I imagine Raftery is doing the Big Ten due to Greg Anthony's departure, not because Fox Sports is being cheap. Agree that Fox needs to do a better job of featuring key games. There's no excuse for that Villanova and Butler game to be on CBS Sports. Also no idea why they put the Butler and Northwestern on Fox's national broadcast. The weekend schedules seem very arbitrary with games overlapping on different networks.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2015 18:44:58 GMT -5
This isn't a "it was better back when..." complaint. I'm not saying I'd rather be on ESPN. My point is that I think we can demand more from FS1 in terms of competent analysts/pbp guys, production quality, commitment, etc. You don't have to take the position that we shouldn't be glad to be on FS1 in order to complain about some of the nickel-and-diming going on. It feels like they've scaled back since the opening season. Most likely they need Georgetown to finally do something.
For his part, I feel like Gus Johnson has done fewer than a half-dozen BE games all year.
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Post by dungeon ball on Feb 26, 2015 18:48:36 GMT -5
Carlinoooooooo!!!!!!!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2015 18:51:57 GMT -5
It's Raftery.
I also don't think we'd get worse coverage on ESPN. They might have paid us less, and yeah, we'd hear more about the ACC, but they more channels carried nationally, would farm out less games to networks with less coverage and their streaming service has an archive feature.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2015 19:27:37 GMT -5
One main reason for the low budget production of the games by FS1 is the ratings for the Big East games.
FS1 will be trending towards more cut backs on production if the ratings of the regular season games do not improve.
Below is an excerpt on Fox's basketball t.v. ratings struggle.
1 key thing to keep in mind is when the FS1 contract is up, how much closer will the bid be between FS1 and ESPN for Big East tv game rights?
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Post by sleepy on Feb 26, 2015 19:56:01 GMT -5
It's Raftery. I also don't think we'd get worse coverage on ESPN. They might have paid us less, and yeah, we'd hear more about the ACC, but they more channels carried nationally, would farm out less games to networks with less coverage and their streaming service has an archive feature. But with so many other games that ESPN covers more of our games weren't available, to me at least. There are plenty of improvments FS1 could make but I was able to watch every single one of our conference games for the first time, and that means a lot more to me then crappy announcing that you get with every network anyway. ESPN has more channels, but also many more commitments and teams to cover, meaning less Georgetown games for me.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 26, 2015 20:37:27 GMT -5
One main reason for the low budget production of the games by FS1 is the ratings for the Big East games. FS1 will be trending towards more cut backs on production if the ratings of the regular season games do not improve. Below is an excerpt on Fox's basketball t.v. ratings struggle. 1 key thing to keep in mind is when the FS1 contract is up, how much closer will the bid be between FS1 and ESPN for Big East tv game rights? I think this is the key....ratings. FS1 may even be having some buyer's remorse with the amount they put up for the BE compared to the ratings they are getting. If the ratings don't go up, FS1 can't justify putting more money into the broadcast. The announcing teams haven't been too bad for me. I enjoy that the focus is on the BE.....not talking about the ACC or Kentucky or whatever other flavor of the day there might be. There may be a passing mention of them, but not the constant talk about other teams(other than BE teams) during our games. I guess we have to take the good with the bad......hopefully ratings will climb for the BE games and we will start to see more of an investment of resources into the broadcasts in general. If not, we may see more games "farmed out" to CBS, etc. with less appearances by the "better announcers".
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Post by sleepy on Feb 26, 2015 21:08:50 GMT -5
One main reason for the low budget production of the games by FS1 is the ratings for the Big East games. FS1 will be trending towards more cut backs on production if the ratings of the regular season games do not improve. Below is an excerpt on Fox's basketball t.v. ratings struggle. 1 key thing to keep in mind is when the FS1 contract is up, how much closer will the bid be between FS1 and ESPN for Big East tv game rights? I think this is the key....ratings. FS1 may even be having some buyer's remorse with the amount they put up for the BE compared to the ratings they are getting. If the ratings don't go up, FS1 can't justify putting more money into the broadcast. The announcing teams haven't been too bad for me. I enjoy that the focus is on the BE.....not talking about the ACC or Kentucky or whatever other flavor of the day there might be. There may be a passing mention of them, but not the constant talk about other teams(other than BE teams) during our games. I guess we have to take the good with the bad......hopefully ratings will climb for the BE games and we will start to see more of an investment of resources into the broadcasts in general. If not, we may see more games "farmed out" to CBS, etc. with less appearances by the "better announcers". The ratings are up to FS1 to do a better job building their brand. Right now the current Big East and FS1 are both 2 years old, the ratings aren't going to be great. Fox made a long term deal for a reason, they need time to figure out what works and what doesn't. I don't think that sort of analysis is going to be very relevant until it's 5-6 years out. From what I've seen the ratings are up from a year ago which about all both parties can ask for. That being said, the Big East needs to do it's part, but I'm not sure we have failed to live up to expectations quite yet.
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Post by richfame on Feb 26, 2015 21:35:13 GMT -5
FS1 is so lost they rather air soccer that The Mike Francesa show. Know cares about soccer in U.S.
The only thing they got right is Jill Arrington. HELLLLLLO LA LA LA.
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Post by guru on Feb 26, 2015 21:41:14 GMT -5
The Raf doing the B1G tourney is certainly a direct result of the Greg Anthony situation. He's now calling the Final Four (which is awesome, btw) so it makes sense that he's working with CBS in the direct run-up to the Dance. I bet he's as bummed as anyone to miss the BET call. Except he can cry into the mountain of money they're giving him to call the final 4.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 26, 2015 22:08:59 GMT -5
I think this is the key....ratings. FS1 may even be having some buyer's remorse with the amount they put up for the BE compared to the ratings they are getting. If the ratings don't go up, FS1 can't justify putting more money into the broadcast. The announcing teams haven't been too bad for me. I enjoy that the focus is on the BE.....not talking about the ACC or Kentucky or whatever other flavor of the day there might be. There may be a passing mention of them, but not the constant talk about other teams(other than BE teams) during our games. I guess we have to take the good with the bad......hopefully ratings will climb for the BE games and we will start to see more of an investment of resources into the broadcasts in general. If not, we may see more games "farmed out" to CBS, etc. with less appearances by the "better announcers". The ratings are up to FS1 to do a better job building their brand. Right now the current Big East and FS1 are both 2 years old, the ratings aren't going to be great. Fox made a long term deal for a reason, they need time to figure out what works and what doesn't. I don't think that sort of analysis is going to be very relevant until it's 5-6 years out. From what I've seen the ratings are up from a year ago which about all both parties can ask for. That being said, the Big East needs to do it's part, but I'm not sure we have failed to live up to expectations quite yet. Absolutely this. The money Fox agreed to is a sunk cost. It's their product now to make shine. That includes not preempting games for NASCAR trials even if people are watching the trials. Casual fans that want to check out the game for a bit aren't waiting for it to start. And their presentation and mobile apps have to stand out. That's on Fox. As for availability, is FS1 part of basic cable? I have DirecTv so I have no idea. I'm not even sure what package causes me to get FS1 on DTV. I only know that I get it. They need it available on as many outlets as possible. The BE may be young but, even this year, it's getting some buzz because of how competitive a lot of the games have been and because there are ranked teams. They need to be pumping that up as much as possible.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Feb 26, 2015 22:23:35 GMT -5
The hue and cry over FS1 really humors me. Yes, its productions have a good deal of room for improvement, but they aren't horrific. Heck, I remember the early years of the Bristol operation and I just couldn't watch. They had a LOT of crap on with poor production values. It took ESPN a good while to get its act together. It was not an overnight success. Like a good grasshoppa, I'm exercising patience with our broadcast partner. It's best years are ahead of it.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 26, 2015 22:42:18 GMT -5
One main reason for the low budget production of the games by FS1 is the ratings for the Big East games. FS1 will be trending towards more cut backs on production if the ratings of the regular season games do not improve. Below is an excerpt on Fox's basketball t.v. ratings struggle. 1 key thing to keep in mind is when the FS1 contract is up, how much closer will the bid be between FS1 and ESPN for Big East tv game rights? I mean those games you're comparing aren't equals. Baylor Kansas is a top 25 matchup. Wisky has a massive alumni base. No kidding they had better ratings than St. John's Xavier. I would be concerned if say a Nova Gtown game has those types of numbers. The angst over FS1 is pretty overblown. They could use some extra competent announcers, but I've seen nothing wrong with any production If seeing commercials for the BE and specifically a Gtown game during the NFL playoffs on Fox isn't enough exposure for you, I don't know what is. Bottom line, it's as much on the BE schools to be nationally relevant to get better ratings as it is on Fox. Fox has every motivation in the world to make FS1 as good as the 4 letter network. The BE has to pull its weight too.
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