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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 20, 2015 9:16:03 GMT -5
WOW. People really evaluate Dunn differently than I do. He is quick, but I have not been all that impressed with him. I think he has the athletic ability to play in the NBA, but it is hard for me to see him as a lottery pick.
As for LJ, his athleticism is at a different point than his moves. Establishing a good outside shot is important, but I think it is more important for him to establish very quick moves off the dribble and to be able to go to the hoop quickly and under control. Once he can do that with consistency, he will be a first-round pick.
Plus, he needs a summer in the weight room/ going through some hard physical training.
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Post by dungeon ball on Feb 20, 2015 13:42:12 GMT -5
I think Cope is 1 good tourney run away from being a first rounder. And by good tourney run I mean at least Elite 8.
He definitely has things to work on, but he really stands out as a pro prospect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:49:14 GMT -5
OT but
ive-star junior center Omari Spellman made a surprise college announcement on Friday. Spellman, who stands 6-foot-9 and checks in at 250-pounds, committed to Jay Wright and Villanova over significant interest from the likes of Kentucky, Ohio State, UCLA, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Miami, West Virginia, Virginia, Florida, Indiana, Wake Forest, St. John's and Seton Hall. Spellman tweeted the news. "To honor my mother's birthday and our bond I would like to announce my commitment to Villanova University," Spellman said in his tweet. A talented post prospect, Spellman impresses with his versatility on the offensive end. With his size, he's able to carve out space on the block and has tremendous scoring touch around the rim. Spellman is also a good shooter and step out of the paint and make jumpers out to 22-feet. Spellman is ranked No. 19 overall and as the No. 4 center in the 2016 recruiting class. Spellman ranked No. 61 overall in Scout's Ultimate 100, which ranks the top players regardless of class. Spellman is Villanova's first verbal commitment of the 2016 class.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 20, 2015 14:53:31 GMT -5
I think Cope is 1 good tourney run away from being a first rounder. And by good tourney run I mean at least Elite 8. He definitely has things to work on, but he really stands out as a pro prospect. Let's hope he is does not completely explode on the scene this March...we definitely need him another year!
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2015 15:07:16 GMT -5
OT but ive-star junior center Omari Spellman made a surprise college announcement on Friday. Spellman, who stands 6-foot-9 and checks in at 250-pounds, committed to Jay Wright and Villanova over significant interest from the likes of Kentucky, Ohio State, UCLA, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Miami, West Virginia, Virginia, Florida, Indiana, Wake Forest, St. John's and Seton Hall. Spellman tweeted the news. "To honor my mother's birthday and our bond I would like to announce my commitment to Villanova University," Spellman said in his tweet. A talented post prospect, Spellman impresses with his versatility on the offensive end. With his size, he's able to carve out space on the block and has tremendous scoring touch around the rim. Spellman is also a good shooter and step out of the paint and make jumpers out to 22-feet. Spellman is ranked No. 19 overall and as the No. 4 center in the 2016 recruiting class. Spellman ranked No. 61 overall in Scout's Ultimate 100, which ranks the top players regardless of class. Spellman is Villanova's first verbal commitment of the 2016 class. Ridiculous pull for Wright and his staff..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 20, 2015 15:39:16 GMT -5
The BEAST needs it. Bring him on!
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 20, 2015 16:04:02 GMT -5
I think Cope is 1 good tourney run away from being a first rounder. And by good tourney run I mean at least Elite 8. These kinds of points always confuse me. What difference would it make if the tourney run ended in the Elite 8 versus any other specific round, when it comes to the potential draft ranking of a prospect? I get that you'd need enough games to build attention, but it seems oddly specific to say "at least Elite 8" in cases like this. The same goes with the argument about one reason why home attendance is down. I don't get why the Sweet 16/Elite 8/Final Four/whatever run is the specific magical elixir that would all of a sudden make fans come back.
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Post by dungeon ball on Feb 20, 2015 16:44:53 GMT -5
I think Cope is 1 good tourney run away from being a first rounder. And by good tourney run I mean at least Elite 8. These kinds of points always confuse me. What difference would it make if the tourney run ended in the Elite 8 versus any other specific round, when it comes to the potential draft ranking of a prospect? I get that you'd need enough games to build attention, but it seems oddly specific to say "at least Elite 8" in cases like this. The same goes with the argument about one reason why home attendance is down. I don't get why the Sweet 16/Elite 8/Final Four/whatever run is the specific magical elixir that would all of a sudden make fans come back. I said Elite 8 for a couple reasons. That would mean we are playing really well, and for us to be playing really well, Cope is probably playing really well. And then the exposure that comes along with it. Just a casual guess.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 20, 2015 17:25:09 GMT -5
I think Cope is 1 good tourney run away from being a first rounder. And by good tourney run I mean at least Elite 8. These kinds of points always confuse me. What difference would it make if the tourney run ended in the Elite 8 versus any other specific round, when it comes to the potential draft ranking of a prospect? I get that you'd need enough games to build attention, but it seems oddly specific to say "at least Elite 8" in cases like this. The same goes with the argument about one reason why home attendance is down. I don't get why the Sweet 16/Elite 8/Final Four/whatever run is the specific magical elixir that would all of a sudden make fans come back. Not sure why that is hard to understand. Making the second weekend of the tournament at least ensures some additional coverage, sometimes nationally, but definitely locally, and would generate a buzz with the program. Will it single-handedly reverse declining attendance? No. But it would be one of many factors (promotions, good OOC scheduling, etc.) that would help improve attendance. Conversely, another first weekend flameout would perpetuate the (unfair?) narrative about JTIII and Georgetown that certainly does not help attract a casual fan, student or otherwise, to games. We aren't talking about the diehard gray hairs on HT or even the clever young whippersnappers on Casual. We are talking about the fairweather students and local hoops fans that would be attracted by positive buzz.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 20, 2015 18:28:26 GMT -5
These kinds of points always confuse me. What difference would it make if the tourney run ended in the Elite 8 versus any other specific round, when it comes to the potential draft ranking of a prospect? I get that you'd need enough games to build attention, but it seems oddly specific to say "at least Elite 8" in cases like this. The same goes with the argument about one reason why home attendance is down. I don't get why the Sweet 16/Elite 8/Final Four/whatever run is the specific magical elixir that would all of a sudden make fans come back. Not sure why that is hard to understand. Making the second weekend of the tournament at least ensures some additional coverage, sometimes nationally, but definitely locally, and would generate a buzz with the program. Will it single-handedly reverse declining attendance? No. But it would be one of many factors (promotions, good OOC scheduling, etc.) that would help improve attendance. Conversely, another first weekend flameout would perpetuate the (unfair?) narrative about JTIII and Georgetown that certainly does not help attract a casual fan, student or otherwise, to games. We aren't talking about the diehard gray hairs on HT or even the clever young whippersnappers on Casual. We are talking about the fairweather students and local hoops fans that would be attracted by positive buzz. Just to settle the matter, I think the Hoyas should win it all.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 20, 2015 20:54:58 GMT -5
Not sure why that is hard to understand. Making the second weekend of the tournament at least ensures some additional coverage, sometimes nationally, but definitely locally, and would generate a buzz with the program. Will it single-handedly reverse declining attendance? No. But it would be one of many factors (promotions, good OOC scheduling, etc.) that would help improve attendance. Conversely, another first weekend flameout would perpetuate the (unfair?) narrative about JTIII and Georgetown that certainly does not help attract a casual fan, student or otherwise, to games. We aren't talking about the diehard gray hairs on HT or even the clever young whippersnappers on Casual. We are talking about the fairweather students and local hoops fans that would be attracted by positive buzz. Just to settle the matter, I think the Hoyas should win it all. Now that's what I'm talking 'bout!
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 20, 2015 21:18:07 GMT -5
Add in locals in the area that are not Georgetown fans but are looking for something do.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 20, 2015 21:24:13 GMT -5
Add in locals in the area that are not Georgetown fans but are looking for something do. Not that there aren't inexpensive tickets but I'd love to see promotions aimed at local kids such as discounted tix for certain games or kids of a certain age get in free or something. Obviously, I'm clueless as to the feasibility of those sorts of things but butts in seats has to be a good thing for the atmosphere and for concessions. I'd love for a lot of DC kids to grow up as Georgetown fans like a lot of kids did in the 80s. The teams I root the hardest for are the teams I grew up with.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 20, 2015 23:02:06 GMT -5
Yet another good discussion that somehow ends up off track and talking about the attendance "problem"
When I started the thread I didn't think Dunn was going to go this year but he very well might. I just wonder if he waits til next year if any other players jump in front of him.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2015 23:20:14 GMT -5
Yet another good discussion that somehow ends up off track and talking about the attendance "problem" When I started the thread I didn't think Dunn was going to go this year but he very well might. I just wonder if he waits til next year if any other players jump in front of him. Yaboy made a very point that he may declare just to get some workouts in, if they go well he'll probably stay in the draft.. I hope he stays myself, that would give the conference 4 pre-season top 25 squads in G'town, Nova, Butler & Providence..
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Post by tashoya on Feb 20, 2015 23:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 21, 2015 10:46:05 GMT -5
Add in locals in the area that are not Georgetown fans but are looking for something do. Not that there aren't inexpensive tickets but I'd love to see promotions aimed at local kids such as discounted tix for certain games or kids of a certain age get in free or something. Obviously, I'm clueless as to the feasibility of those sorts of things but butts in seats has to be a good thing for the atmosphere and for concessions. I'd love for a lot of DC kids to grow up as Georgetown fans like a lot of kids did in the 80s. The teams I root the hardest for are the teams I grew up with. This ++++++++ My daughter teaches fourth graders in one of the poorest sections of Dallas. Last month she got Mark Cuban to donate ten tickets for her and another teacher to take eight kids to a Mavericks game. And the Mavs showed them on the big screen during the game. You have to remember, these kids would NEVER be able to go to a game any other way, and they will remember the game for the rest of their lives. And from the team's standpoint, they are now Mavs fans for life.
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Post by reformation on Feb 21, 2015 12:07:28 GMT -5
I thought Gtwn already did donate tickets to local kids/youth groups. I'm ok with doing it if we don't.
As far as all these gimmicks people seem to advocate for increasing attendance, I'm not sure they'll have any fundamental impact on our declining attendance. To have any real attendance impact I think that either Gtwn or its opponents need to be in the natl champ discussion or have some real marquee players Even though Gtown and the BE generally are decent this year, neither we nor any of the other BE teams are either natl champ contenders or have players that people would really go to see. Pretty much all the natl discussion this year at least is focused on Kentucky, Okafor/Duke etc.
As far as the students go, its sad that attendance is so poor, but we have to realize that very few students really care about almost all of the schools we play. We are also facing a headwind that nobody seems to acknowledge that college basketball in general, other than the NCAA tournament, seems to be declining in national popularity/attention generally, which probably makes it harder to generate interest among the students because they are not exposed to college BB when they come to Gtwn. Kids growing up in NY/NJ don't hear about St Johns Gtwn anymore etc. before they get to Gtwn. It seems that we get as many students to see a soccer game + make more noise than we do for many of the basketball games-soccer team is in natl champ discussion, games are on campus, star players etc-its pretty obvious what works.
I guess the real question is what can be done if anything to counteract the trend. I think that Gtwn is gradually improving out of conf scheduling and that will help as i guess we'll get to see syracuse, uconn etc-hopefully those teams will still be elite when we play them, but i think we can do more--why not schedule harvard,e.g., as a mid major-they are actually pretty good now and i think we'd get some people to see them as a bit of a curiosity-this is just an example of how to get more creative with then scheduling-also why not play a game like this at mcdonough to generate some interest in the team-getting the students to go to the game is a little bit of the same logic as the ticket giveaways to the community kids. Most of the other issues regarding our and the league competitiveness, star players, etc are beyond our control or invoke a good bit of luck.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Feb 24, 2015 13:03:15 GMT -5
Ike... Chad Ford is a believer..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 13:08:41 GMT -5
Ike... Chad Ford is a believer.. Kind of…still said he needs time to develop, get stronger, become more consistent etc. Dunn needs no time, he’s ready now.
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