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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 16, 2015 2:14:00 GMT -5
I think Ed wants all those settings set to zero.
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Post by quickplay on Feb 16, 2015 8:19:53 GMT -5
Students waving their arms under the baskets to distract shooters is generally accepted practice at every college and probably has been since Ed was hanging peach baskets on poles with Dr. James Naismith. So I'm not sure your point flies whatsoever - it's generally accepted practice to try and distract the free throw shooters and this is just : - more effective (see statistics) - original - more creative - not relying on personal insults (a.k.a Cameron Crazies) - not really using any outside element (piped in noise, constructed sound, waving outside objects) - the curtain relies on surprise and humor Your post might have been more effective if you had skipped the comment on my age. "I can understand that the younger generation may not agree since the bounds of right and wrong have, so to speak, stretched." Hypocritical sanctimony much? I think chants or movements by students in college basketball fall well within the acceptable atmosphere of a game. It's piping in fake crowd noise, messing with hotels the night before a game - things that wouldn't be typically part of the experience. Just being good at being distracting doesn't turn it into something awful. |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 16, 2015 8:26:23 GMT -5
Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship While it is short and clean I think this position falls apart on itself. Where does it stop? Is music played during breaks ok? Clapping? Sleeping in your own bed because you are in your hometown? All fans sign a pledge prior to entering the arena to remain silent, do not cheer or clap for your team. Otherwise, you will not be granted admittance. If you clap or cheer for your team, you are ejected. Therefore, all conditions will be equal for both teams; hence, sportsmanship.  That being said, I played basketball for my middle school and high school teams overseas in Hong Kong during the late 1960s and early 1970s. It was considered unsportsmanlike to make any noise during free throw attempts by either team. The gymnasium fell silent. OTOH, when we (the American school in Hong Kong) played an away game at a school sponsored by the Chinese Communists, the gym certainly wasn't silent and our team bus was stoned upon departure! |
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Post by TC on Feb 16, 2015 9:50:38 GMT -5
I think whether it is poor sportsmanship or not boils down to what's generally accepted by the sport. If we were talking about distracting someone from a putt in golf, or a serve in tennis, that'd be considered poor sportsmanship. In basketball, distracting free throw shooters is part of the fan experience.
I think I even remember waving hands to distract the free throw shooter as part of the athletic department coaching to the band in the mid-90s, along with such gems as the idea that we were all supposed to yell "WHOOMP THERE IT IS" if Georgetown hit a three pointer (I don't think that ever caught on).
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Post by kchoya on Feb 16, 2015 12:05:04 GMT -5
Students waving their arms under the baskets to distract shooters is generally accepted practice at every college and probably has been since Ed was hanging peach baskets on poles with Dr. James Naismith. So I'm not sure your point flies whatsoever - it's generally accepted practice to try and distract the free throw shooters and this is just : - more effective (see statistics) - original - more creative - not relying on personal insults (a.k.a Cameron Crazies) - not really using any outside element (piped in noise, constructed sound, waving outside objects) - the curtain relies on surprise and humor Your post might have been more effective if you had skipped the comment on my age. So you admit that his post was spot on, other than the age comment. Maybe you could respond to his argument rather than focusing on the joke about how old you are. Or, could it be that you don't have a legitimate response, so you hide behind your feigned outrage about the joke? Methinks it's the latter. |
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 16, 2015 12:21:25 GMT -5
Your post might have been more effective if you had skipped the comment on my age. So you admit that his post was spot on, other than the age comment. Maybe you could respond to his argument rather than focusing on the joke about how old you are. Or, could it be that you don't have a legitimate response, so you hide behind your feigned outrage about the joke? Methinks it's the latter. I thought he made a decent post; I just do not agree with it. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 16, 2015 17:23:40 GMT -5
Wow, there seems to be an awful lot of vitriol in this thread, did not know that people on both sides of the sportsmanship issue were so touchy!
As an older fogey myself, I agree with Ed that there is a general decline in sportsmanship at pretty much all levels of sport, but the free throw distraction issue is a little different. The bizarre "curtain" displays are a stretch, but since most shooters are so focused on the rim, and don't even notice the various efforts to distract, not a big deal. They do, however, touch on the issue of how far is too far. Throwing things at the back of the backboard is not allowed; what about throwing odd things up behind the board that don't hit it or come close? Shining a laser in the shooter's eyes is not allowed; what about turning on a strobe light 10 rows up just before the shot? Are there specific guidelines for refs to follow?
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Post by TC on Feb 16, 2015 21:42:42 GMT -5
I'm guessing the strobe light would be clearly actionable, the "throwing things in the air" would probably get a warning.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 17, 2015 10:18:48 GMT -5
I'm guessing the strobe light would be clearly actionable, the "throwing things in the air" would probably get a warning. Any refs out there who can tell us what the rules say? |
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Post by TC on Feb 17, 2015 11:18:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 17, 2015 21:30:20 GMT -5
How about barring fans from the game altogether? Then each game would rather be known as a "practice."
I wonder if AI would approve.
Or getting back to my other post on this topic, how about having a giant Cone of Silence over the court, so that the players could neither hear nor see the fans. Everything would then be equal.
Honestly, Ed, I don't think your "ideal" has ever been the case, even when you were a boy (and I know that doesn't go back to Dr. Naismith's time).
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Post by boxout05 on Feb 18, 2015 1:33:12 GMT -5
Based on some of these comments, I think our students are showing tremendous sportsmanship this year.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 18, 2015 8:08:23 GMT -5
Based on some of these comments, I think our students are showing tremendous sportsmanship this year. A mid-week game at Verizon could be nicknamed the "Chamber of Sportsmanship." |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 18, 2015 20:35:00 GMT -5
I am not sure whether it was in HS or college or both, but in my day (not as far back as Ed's, but still pretty far), we were silent when the other team was at the free throw line. It was considered poor sportsmanship to do any other in that age.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 18, 2015 22:22:30 GMT -5
Based on some of these comments, I think our students are showing tremendous sportsmanship this year. A mid-week game at Verizon could be nicknamed the "Chamber of Sportsmanship." Is that like the Cone of Silence? |
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That being said, I played basketball for my middle school and high school teams overseas in Hong Kong during the late 1960s and early 1970s. It was considered unsportsmanlike to make any noise during free throw attempts by either team. The gymnasium fell silent. OTOH, when we (the American school in Hong Kong) played an away game at a school sponsored by the Chinese Communists, the gym certainly wasn't silent and our team bus was stoned upon departure!
