GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2015 9:27:27 GMT -5
Obviously they wouldn't value them equally. But everything is part of the puzzle. And the fact remains that we don't have that many great positives on the resume. Villanova and Butler, great wins. Indiana and St johns, solid wins. After that, well, not much. Not a single good road win. But as i pointed out above, we also don't have one negative thing on the resume. Not one. Every one of our losses is to a top 50 team. That's worth something. Kansas, Wisconsin and Arizona all have worse losses and they are projected 2 seeds. I'm just playing skeptic and thinking of things the committee might hold against us. Btw, I didn't mean to imply that VCU or LSU should be seeded ahead of us. They have some horrible losses counteracting all those solid wins. I think you are answering it. Not losing to bad teams means a lot and so does scheduling. We could easily be 21-7 right now if we threw a bunch of crappy teams on the schedule. Providence has like 10-11 top 100 wins, but they lost to two sub-150 teams. That's why they arent going higher than us. RPI wins are an easy metric to track, but there are lots of factors.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 3, 2015 10:11:26 GMT -5
Sleepy, I think you undersell how good those Villanova and Butler wins are. Nova and Butler are both top 25 wins (both Pomeroy and RPI). There are only 16 teams in the country with more than 2. So, just on the "how many very good teams did you beat" metric (if you artificially make top 25 the basis), we're tied for 17th (admittedly with a lot of schools).
Separately, Villanova is a top 5 win. And obviously, there aren't very many teams that have beaten an RPI Top 5 team. In fact, those teams have combined to lose 12 games all year and no one has beaten more than one of them. (Duke -- itself a top 5 team -- comes closest, having beaten UVa and Wiscy.)
Those are two great positives on the resume that very few teams can match.
So, combine them with the "no bad losses" statement and it's pretty easy to see why we're in solid shape.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 10:18:37 GMT -5
Obviously they wouldn't value them equally. But everything is part of the puzzle. And the fact remains that we don't have that many great positives on the resume. Villanova and Butler, great wins. Indiana and St johns, solid wins. After that, well, not much. Not a single good road win. But as i pointed out above, we also don't have one negative thing on the resume. Not one. Every one of our losses is to a top 50 team. That's worth something. Kansas, Wisconsin and Arizona all have worse losses and they are projected 2 seeds. I'm just playing skeptic and thinking of things the committee might hold against us. Btw, I didn't mean to imply that VCU or LSU should be seeded ahead of us. They have some horrible losses counteracting all those solid wins. And I'm sure we'll all feel really great when Georgetown adds two more losses to top 50 teams in the postseason.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2015 10:30:21 GMT -5
I am interested to see how we really get seeded. We may not make it to 20 wins, but we have no bad losses just quite a few of them. We have no road/neutral wins of any note other than an inconsistent IU team. When the committee is looking at our real capability of winning games in the NCAAs, they have to be keeping that in mind. I am wondering if we get the respect some of these brackets are showing where we are a 6 seed.
The problem is tonight can help us tremendously or be yet another indicator we are not a threat to do much in the tournament.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2015 10:35:06 GMT -5
These things tend to work themselves out. We still have the BET and there are 4 BE teams around the same seeding in the NCAAs. Someone's going to have to win those games. It's going to be us!
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 3, 2015 14:09:25 GMT -5
I hope we draw Maryland. I like our chances against them vs other better seeds.
NCHoya, this game is just huge. We win this game and it negates the "this team hasn't won a road game against a NCAA team". I think it sets us up well for being considered better than a 6 seed. (Provided we take care of business against the Hall)
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 3, 2015 21:13:43 GMT -5
we'd be an absolute nightmare matchup for Utah. I could honestly see us beating them by 10-12 points Haven't seen Utah play, why do you think we'd win so easily? Styles make the matchups and we're too athletic for them. They have one great player (Delon Wright), one future NBA big (Jakob Poeltl) and the rest of the team plays off them. They'd be easy to defend, and we'd run past them
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 3, 2015 21:33:17 GMT -5
For purely selfish reasons, I hope we end up in the West. If we survive the first weekend, the West Regional is in LA.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 21:52:23 GMT -5
We can spend more time in this thread now. Hoyas could lose out and are a tournament LOCK.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 3, 2015 22:09:12 GMT -5
RPI gets a slight bump with tonight's win (21) but more importantly we notch our 5th top 50 RPI win and best road win of season. We are now 6-4 on the road and 2-2 on neutral court, with a SOS of 4. This is really a very solid resume top to bottom and there's room to strengthen it further in the BET. Assuming we don't bomb out against SHU, #6 seed is probably the floor now. Well done.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 4, 2015 13:43:37 GMT -5
Correction Indiana dropped out of RPI Top 50 so we're back to 4 Top 50 wins. Would be very helpful to get Indiana back inside the Top 50. Also dont want Xavier to fall outside Top 50.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2015 14:40:50 GMT -5
For purely selfish reasons, I hope we end up in the West. If we survive the first weekend, the West Regional is in LA. I have tickets to the East Regional in *shudder* Syracuse, which would be a much more karmic floor for the Hoyas, so . . .
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 5, 2015 14:19:10 GMT -5
I don't know where else to put this, but here's a link to Seth Davis's column today on SI.com. Davis is asked to select his five biggest dark horses to win the NCAA title. His methodology for "dark horse" is that he won't pick anyone currently ranked in the top 25. St. John's is his top pick. Georgetown is his third. His blurb: "The Hoyas would probably be ranked if they were in an easier league. They’re not the best three-point shooting team in the world, but they have an older guard who can control tempo and score in D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, and you won’t find a player in the tournament who is as wide and skilled as Joshua Smith." At some level, its silly (or at least, faint) praise. We're an obvious selection if the top 25 teams are excepted from the list. Still, with the caveat that it'd be better to be a favorite to win the title than a dark horse (recent history aside), it's better to be listed than not... www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/03/05/coaches-hot-seat-dark-horse-final-four
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2015 14:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 5, 2015 17:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2015 17:37:22 GMT -5
You saw that my post is right before yours?
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Post by kchoya on Mar 5, 2015 18:00:33 GMT -5
Haven't seen Utah play, why do you think we'd win so easily? Styles make the matchups and we're too athletic for them. They have one great player (Delon Wright), one future NBA big (Jakob Poeltl) and the rest of the team plays off them. They'd be easy to defend, and we'd run past them I think being so close to the Utes may have you jaded on how good they could be. i don't think we'd "run past them."
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 6, 2015 9:35:15 GMT -5
Honestly, I want the Hoyas to make the second weekend if only for the possibility of some national coverage of Tyler Adams and his incredible four years at the Hilltop. I'm a bit surprised actually his story hasn't received more attention but he's just such a terrific representative of the U. Nice write-up this morning on casual hoya about him.
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Post by richfame on Mar 7, 2015 21:43:34 GMT -5
Would we rather be a 6 seed over a 5 seed so we can advance to play the 2 seed and ensure we avoid kentucky.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 7, 2015 23:11:45 GMT -5
Would we rather be a 6 seed over a 5 seed so we can advance to play the 2 seed and ensure we avoid kentucky. If our biggest worry is having to play Kentucky in the Sweet Sixteen - I am absolutely fine with that.
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