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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 30, 2015 13:29:59 GMT -5
I think their recruiting has dried up a bit too. It isn't like the NYC metro area is the spot anymore. A stumbling Syracuse program could help the situation as well.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 30, 2015 13:42:37 GMT -5
Forgive me, but is this thread just based on the assumption that Lavin will be fired? Or was he actually let go?
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Post by matersammich on Jan 30, 2015 13:45:28 GMT -5
Forgive me, but is this thread just based on the assumption that Lavin will be fired? Or was he actually let go? Assumption he will be fired.
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Post by concord on Jan 30, 2015 13:46:40 GMT -5
I mean, there's nothing preventing them from hiring a "good" coach, the problems are that: (1) There's nothing in the last 20 years of SJU hiring that indicates they're capable of replicating what Xavier's done (2) Like I said with Danny Hurley, I don't think it's that clear-cut that SJU is a better job than a successful A10 team. So you're now into the level talking about guys like Masiello in the MAAC or Bobby Hurley with two seasons of MAC coaching experience. (3) Like you said, this is really a stepping stone job. So if a good coach comes in and somehow turns this team around by 2017-18, they're probably out the door and SJU's back here again in a few years. Well, in reply to #3, I don't see that as a real problem because in that scenario SJU would have a good team with a much higher profile and luster restored to the position and would be in much better shape for a follow-on hire than they are at present.
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Post by rpn6 on Jan 30, 2015 15:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 30, 2015 15:48:41 GMT -5
A major conference school should hire Shaka Smart? This is truly ground breaking analysis. Why has no one tried that before?
If you can't get him, Mark Few is always a good option.
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 30, 2015 16:30:33 GMT -5
Think you guys sell SJU short. If that team were any good,you'd be the darling of NYC and recruiting kids to play in a rocking MSG. You'll never be the top paid coach and jumping to a state school in a Football5 conference will sound better until they are back on their feet, but if you can get a guy over the hump then that's a top 25 job.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 30, 2015 16:36:04 GMT -5
I agree. Turn that program around and you will be a star in NYC. I would go with some local NYC kid who is coaching a local mid major. Being Italian or Irish would help. I keep thinking a Jim Valvano type. He coached Iona. BE needs a good St John's. Lavin is a joke. He has done nothing with some very talented kids.
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 30, 2015 16:39:11 GMT -5
I also thought Lavin would be better, as a recruiter if not a coach. I think How land would be a good pick based on his and Dixon's recruiting at Pitt. Maybe Massiello is a guy who will stick around for a while if he gets them back to the tourney.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 2, 2015 19:00:16 GMT -5
From what I can tell, there isn't much real evidence that Lavin is under any heat from the administration at SJU right now. The issue is whether both sides want to extend his contract (they were discussing a six-year deal last year, don't know what happened to that so someone correct me if I'm wrong). He lost out on a potentially program-changing recruit when Isaiah Briscoe chose Kentucky over SJU. The NYC press have portrayed that as a major blow to the program, with good reason -- he's losing his six best players after this season, and I'm not sure he's close to filling his seven available schollies for 2015 (though I believe I may have picked up a verbal or two recently).
SJU has tried nearly every type of coaching hire you can think of since Louie retired, and nothing has worked. The SJU brass don't engage with the media much -- no one really knows what they think about the basketball program these days. It's a toss-up whether they want to commit big bucks to Lavin or go the "we can be just as mediocre for less money" route and do Norm Roberts II. Might be a different story if Lavin can somehow get them into the dance.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 2, 2015 21:57:52 GMT -5
No way a Lavin coached team will ever get to the dance. Just watch STJ play a few games. Classic playground.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 2, 2015 22:01:48 GMT -5
No way a Lavin coached team will ever get to the dance. Just watch STJ play a few games. Classic playground. It's not classic playground. They gas out at the 5 to go mark in nearly every game. No way you see that at Rucker Park. But I agree with the sentiment. It makes me wish Chris Mullin would go home and help out his school.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 2, 2015 22:59:37 GMT -5
I was getting at their lack of composure, execution, and teamwork. Lazy D and rushed 1/2 court offense. Exhibit A -- DeAngelo Harrison.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 3, 2015 10:33:29 GMT -5
No way a Lavin coached team will ever get to the dance. Just watch STJ play a few games. Classic playground. Not so -- SJU made the dance in 2010, his first year. Lost a lot of momentum after he had to take extended leave to fight prostate cancer.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 3, 2015 10:44:07 GMT -5
It has taken a few years for his coaching style and philosophy to have an impact.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 3, 2015 11:23:36 GMT -5
From what I can tell, there isn't much real evidence that Lavin is under any heat from the administration at SJU right now. The issue is whether both sides want to extend his contract (they were discussing a six-year deal last year, don't know what happened to that so someone correct me if I'm wrong). He lost out on a potentially program-changing recruit when Isaiah Briscoe chose Kentucky over SJU. The NYC press have portrayed that as a major blow to the program, with good reason -- he's losing his six best players after this season, and I'm not sure he's close to filling his seven available schollies for 2015 (though I believe I may have picked up a verbal or two recently). SJU has tried nearly every type of coaching hire you can think of since Louie retired, and nothing has worked. The SJU brass don't engage with the media much -- no one really knows what they think about the basketball program these days. It's a toss-up whether they want to commit big bucks to Lavin or go the "we can be just as mediocre for less money" route and do Norm Roberts II. Might be a different story if Lavin can somehow get them into the dance. St. John's and Steve Lavin were "close" to signing a contract extension a year ago, and it still isn't done. Based upon the flagging fortunes of the Red Storm in the intervening twelve months, I believe that the St. John's administration has gotten "cold feet" and backed off to allow for more information (i.e. the results of the 2014-2015 season) before deciding whether to continue the Lavin Era. He has recruited to a very short bench, which has cost SJU dearly this season. As noted above in this thread, they play hard every game (even if in an undisciplined manner) for 30-35 minutes every game, and run out of gas in the closing minutes. If Lavin had a bench and if he could get 7-8 minutes a game out of another three players beyond the starters, they'd have won another three or four games (including, in my opinion, the Duke game). SJU's recruiting for next year hasn't filled all of the available scholarships, and I don't see this program being in a stronger position next year if Steve Lavin is still the head coach. St. John's had a great opportunity to grab some of the winter sport spotlight this season, based on the down season for the Nets and the non-competitiveness of the Knicks. It has become a lost opportunity.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 3, 2015 22:31:06 GMT -5
Don't believe that Lavin got any closer to that extension with tonight's result in Indianapolis against Butler. Johnnies were outscored 15-0 over the last 5:30 of the game, and lost by 23.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 4, 2015 10:04:25 GMT -5
Plus last nights game showed how out of control they are. One guy ejected another T'd up for protesting a foul call. Lavin has lost control and should be fired now.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 4, 2015 14:56:29 GMT -5
Don't believe that Lavin got any closer to that extension with tonight's result in Indianapolis against Butler. Johnnies were outscored 15-0 over the last 5:30 of the game, and lost by 23. Feeds into the narrative that they wilt late because of lack of depth.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 4, 2015 17:12:38 GMT -5
Plus last nights game showed how out of control they are. One guy ejected another T'd up for protesting a foul call. Lavin has lost control and should be fired now. Mike Vaccaro of the NY Post agrees with you, and it won't be long before the rest of the NY media joins him if they don't beat a good team soon. I didn't see the game but Obekpa's "accidental" elbow that got him tossed reportedly was brutal and embarrassing. The folks who run SJU would take a dim view of that even if the team were winning -- they don't play around. Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla found this out the hard way.
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