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Post by drquigley on Jan 31, 2015 20:39:23 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 31, 2015 21:00:19 GMT -5
How can anyone complain with a 27-point win on the road in this league this season? Separately, 15-6, 7-3 as January comes to a close is pretty damn good. Hard to argue with that. Agreed. I missed the game and come here to find out we "blew them out ugly." The Hoyas are 5-0 against the 3 worst teams in this league. That's the business you have to take care of when you have 12 games against potential tournament teams.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 31, 2015 21:03:47 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. Not a high enough percentage shot for either of them. From what I have seen and read, that may start to change with Govan.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 31, 2015 21:04:26 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. I wouldn't cop to being a "good Xs and Os guy" but it's certainly a good shot against a zone when you have someone there who can shoot it. UVa does. When we float Ike or Paul there, then we do too. I think given his FT shooting, it's a shot Josh can make, but we have no reason to believe that Mikael can. I think with our team, it comes down to: Would you rather have a DSR contested three (which you can get any time) or a fifteen foot jumper from a big man that hasn't taken one all year and apparently isn't comfortable doing so? I'd also note that Duke actually was giving that shot up. They wanted the UVA bigs to shoot that early in the shoot clock to speed the game up. Toward the end of the game it worked to perfection.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 31, 2015 21:22:43 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. I've seen Hopkins hit threes in the past, like two years ago but I've wondered the same. I've also wondered why we haven't used an alley-oop play, we've got enough players with bounce.
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Post by bicentennial on Jan 31, 2015 22:05:23 GMT -5
This bugged me a lot last year when no one would cover Nate. He was not great but still about 60% from FT line and other teams bigs would give him tons of room one step above the FT line and double cover Smith or Hopkins and yet he never took the one step free throw shot. Was very happy early in the year when White would not just take that shot but do it as a turn around jumper. For some reason that stopped even though he missed very few of those shots. While midrange jumpers are historically not the best shots to take, it is hard to argue most decent free throw shooters over 6'9" wouldn't be able to make that shot consistently without getting blocked. If players have to cover bigs up there it should open the baseline for drives/kick outs as well!
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Post by tashoya on Feb 1, 2015 0:03:23 GMT -5
It's exceedingly important to win the games you should win this year. Well done Hoyas. I almost felt bad for Creighton because they just don't have the horses this year. However, I have a ton of respect for that group. They hustled every play until the end. And their sportsmanship was apparent. I know that sounds hokey but it really stood out to me. I expect that they will recruit more on par with their new conference moving forward and will be a competitive and positive member of the new BE. And I also really admire the way their fans show up for them even when they're having a tough year. I'd love for our fanbase to learn from that example. I'm happy to have them on the schedule this year but I doubt I'll feel similarly in the coming years. That team always brings it and their effort is never in question.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 1, 2015 1:06:08 GMT -5
Can we kick Creighton and DePaul out of the league and consider some other options?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 1, 2015 3:01:29 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. Because neither one of them can consistently hit them. That's one of the good things about Jesse Govan. He can make a perimeter jumper
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 1, 2015 8:36:13 GMT -5
ouch creighton was AWFUL we did step up two things tho when ahead by twenty WHY do we jack up threes with no rebouners under the hoop AND jakc them up with 25 seconds left on the shot clock with like six minutes left in the TIME AND SCORE and we destroyed them GOING TO THE HOOP yup DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE four great penetrators.. AB LJ DSR and AB strong and to the hoop THEN if penetrate can KICK IT OUT for the easy three with rebounders under the basket. GOOD WIN BUT NEED TO DO THAT VS LIKE PROV AND NOVA yup need to go INSIDE OUT>. then and also can dish to FEED THE MONSTER> so great win but need to think about that a little actually alot vs prov and nova. GO HOYAS GREAT WIN but MUST BEAT THE FRIARS> not let down adn HIT FOUL SHOTS TOO six amd
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 1, 2015 8:39:44 GMT -5
ps two bigs have and do take the short jumper from the foul line and are money PAUL WHITE AND MR COPELAND they can hit it and do and vs the ZONE they need to do alot of getting to that foul line and dishing or putting up the twelve foot jumper not so much josh or mikael or bradley who CAN hit short hooks.. GO HOYAS PENETRATE go to the foul line on the zone and high low it OR take the short foul line jumper ASK CUSE aBOUT HOW WE USED TO DO THAT VS THE BEST ZONE D IN THE COUNTRY yup
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Post by calhoya on Feb 1, 2015 8:47:22 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. Because neither one of them can consistently hit them. That's one of the good things about Jesse Govan. He can make a perimeter jumper I understand your point but do not think that the lack of consistency alone is a reason for not having the players practice and take this shot. Both Hopkins and Smith currently present no threat at all when they move to the high post. Other teams are actually backing off at times and focusing on filling the lane to take away the pass inside. This has resulted in some forced passes that have led to turnovers. Compare the defense when Copeland or White are receiving the ball at the same point on the floor. I know that these players can work on this shot and at least become a passable threat. In fact, Hopkins may have a better chance of hitting that shot than he does when he tries to go up under the basket against opposing bigs and gets blocked. As for Smith, it has been a case of little development on the offensive end since high school. Coming out of high school he was known as a raw offensive talent with no range beyond 5-6 feet. He was viewed as a great passer, a solid rebounder and a good defender. His conditioning issues have taken away from his defensive and rebounding performance. Howland tried hard to get him to extend his range during his freshmen and sophomore years at UCLA, but, it was too easy for him to plant under the basket and use his weight advantage to score. Watching him shoot FTs, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his form that would suggest that he could not pick up this 10 foot shot as part of his arsenal. This is particularly true when he is only loosely guarded. I hope that the Hoya coaching staff is working on this part of the game. It would be a nice changeup down the stretch against some very high quality teams if the two posts could present a credible threat from the 10-12 range at the high post. sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=4641247
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 1, 2015 9:55:01 GMT -5
I think the best thing to come out of this game was potentially Reggie Cameron getting it back on track. He hit a tough runner and looked like it brought his confidence back. I think 3 should increase his minutes against proviie. Ok Reggie stop posting and go work on that jumpshot
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Post by tashoya on Feb 1, 2015 10:29:31 GMT -5
Can we kick Creighton and DePaul out of the league and consider some other options? Have you watched DePaul this year?
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Post by Talos on Feb 1, 2015 10:34:06 GMT -5
I thought McDermott had a very questionable defensive game plan. It's obvious he told his bigs not to guard G'town's 4/5s outside of 5 feet. Most teams do that, but theirs was more exaggerated. At first glance it seems like a good plan, especially with Smith and Hopkins on the floor at the same time. However, as Lappas smartly pointed out several times, by not guarding the bigs there is no one to hedge the ball screens and DSR and other perimeter players had a bunch of wide open jumpers. Secondly, it appeared that McDermott didn't distinguish in his scouting report between different players but had his guys not guard whoever was playing the 4 or 5 for us. I was shocked that his guys consistently backed off both White and Copeland when they were playing the 4, just apparently daring them to shoot. You don't even need an in-depth scouting report, just five minutes on the internet to see they're both shooting just under 40% from 3. It seemed to be a poor game plan, poor execution, and no in-game adjustments.
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Post by Talos on Feb 1, 2015 10:44:12 GMT -5
It's exceedingly important to win the games you should win this year. Well done Hoyas. I almost felt bad for Creighton because they just don't have the horses this year. However, I have a ton of respect for that group. They hustled every play until the end. And their sportsmanship was apparent. I know that sounds hokey but it really stood out to me. I expect that they will recruit more on par with their new conference moving forward and will be a competitive and positive member of the new BE. And I also really admire the way their fans show up for them even when they're having a tough year. I'd love for our fanbase to learn from that example. I'm happy to have them on the schedule this year but I doubt I'll feel similarly in the coming years. That team always brings it and their effort is never in question. Good points. I think a lot of what you said has to do with its location. Midwestern sports fans tend to more forgiving, more patient, and less likely to abandon poor teams, than fans on the coasts. I've lived a little in the midwest over the years, and been to a bunch of baseball/football/basketball games and I don't remember ever hearing even one fan boo. And yes, I did notice several of their players help up some of our players. Some may disagree, but I thought it was nice to see. There really aren't many conclusions we can draw from this game, other than we took care of business against a clearly inferior team. I can't remember the last time I saw a high-major team have so many airballs, bricks, and bizarre unforced turnovers.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 1, 2015 12:07:03 GMT -5
Great win BUT would someone who's a good X's and O's guy explain to me why our bigs never take that easy shot from the foul line when no one is guarding them? It seems they are told their only option when they get the ball there is to pass. Yet as I write this I'm watching UVA play Duke and UVAs bigs are popping at will from the line. I've seen Hopkins hit threes in the past, like two years ago but I've wondered the same. He's 3 of 12 from 3 for his career.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 1, 2015 12:13:45 GMT -5
Good Hopkins
29 mins 4-8 FG 0-2 FTs 8 rbs 3 as 2 TOs 3 PFs 8 pts
Good bounce back from the Xavier game, but it's back to 10 mins/day practice from FT. Those are too important down the stretch. Pls take Bowen with you.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Feb 1, 2015 13:23:11 GMT -5
I've seen Hopkins hit threes in the past, like two years ago but I've wondered the same. He's 3 of 12 from 3 for his career. 25% is probably better then Lubik and probably better then losing a possession
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Post by datombz on Feb 1, 2015 13:45:32 GMT -5
Where can I find full video highlights? I can only find full highlights from the other teams perspective, which is annoying...
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