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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2015 23:43:04 GMT -5
I guess to me that's partly because Markel was pretty much loved by alot of people and was a self admitted politician who knew how to work the room whereas alot of people have had alot of doubts about DSR from the time he came here and DSR isn't as charming as Markel. You look at ppg they are really not that different. It's not like Markel lead the Hoyas to the promisedland last year so he doesn't really have that on DSR as well. I think there have been plenty of games this season where DSR was clutch and a leader whether it be going on a scoring binge, blocking a key shot at the end of a game or getting steals or assists. I concede that he's made clutch individual plays, there are several examples I can think of, again that really wasn't my point and really I'm not comparing him to Starks in any way other than as part of a group of players like Starks did in that Xavier game, Otto, Austin, etc. that were guys who had games where they just went to work and carried the team when we otherwise would have lost. I just get the sense that, especially in our losses, you're looking for him to take over and he hasn't really been able to put the team on his back the way we've had other guys do it. Not that he hasn't scored or been productive or hit a key shot or paraded to the line and hit clutch free throws to snatch a win. But they are losses because DSR couldn't get going. And when we win it's usually because DSR took part in carrying the team. The loses that Starks, Otto, Austin had are also usually because they couldn't get going. It's not like DSR was hiding and didn't shoot tonight. He had 14 shots. |
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 27, 2015 23:43:28 GMT -5
Too disgusted to read through all the posts. All I will say is that Trawick and Hopkins were terrible.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 27, 2015 23:44:55 GMT -5
I concede that he's made clutch individual plays, there are several examples I can think of, again that really wasn't my point and really I'm not comparing him to Starks in any way other than as part of a group of players like Starks did in that Xavier game, Otto, Austin, etc. that were guys who had games where they just went to work and carried the team when we otherwise would have lost. I just get the sense that, especially in our losses, you're looking for him to take over and he hasn't really been able to put the team on his back the way we've had other guys do it. Not that he hasn't scored or been productive or hit a key shot or paraded to the line and hit clutch free throws to snatch a win. But they are losses because DSR couldn't get going. And when we win it's usually because DSR took part in carrying the team. The loses that Starks, Otto, Austin had are also usually because they couldn't get going. It's not like DSR was hiding and didn't shoot tonight. He had 14 shots. But only 2 of those came in the 1st half when the game got out of hand.. |
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Post by b52legend on Jan 27, 2015 23:44:56 GMT -5
Sixty six possessions. Seventeen turnovers. Over 26% of possessions. And most of them unforced. Just awful. Season low on offensive rebounds BY FAR. The previous worst was 19% in a lazy blowout of Creighton -- double what we did today. Next worst was 28%. You can talk about a bunch of other stuff, but these two aspects of the game were horrific. Might have been just what I happened to see, but seemed like we were trying to run Smith/Hopkins at the top of the key a lot more than usual. Don't know if we were trying to pull Stainedpants away from the basket or what - but it seemed very ineffective to me. Led to a lot of bad drives (turnovers) and our bigs being out of position to hit the glass (low offensive boards). I know having our bigs operate at the high post/top of the key is a fundamental part of the offense, but it seemed like we were running that action more than usual until later in the game when we started to try to pound it into Smith down low. I think we should come out every game and try to establish Smith's pretense in the first 5 minutes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 23:50:51 GMT -5
The lack of EFFORT in the first half was atrocious. How III can sit there and the post game and say there wasn't a lack of effort blows my mind. Blame is shared by everyone, but I really wish that we had thrown in some wrinkles in the offense in the first half when the sagging man to man was giving us fits. Or should I say just tossing the ball around the perimeter slowly and not attacking. Our offense does not work AT ALL against a sagging man to man without any wrinkles. They'r were perfectly content to sit back and see us hold the ball and toss it around the perimeter trying to force it into Josh or force a back cut that isn't open. Run some freaking screens to get people open for god sakes. Some high low, two man game. Needed to recognize this earlier and make every effort to get earlier shots to open the game up a bit. For a team that embarrassed them last time out and to come out like that AT HOME is unbelievably frustrating. I can handle missing shots, I can handle losing, I can't handle lackadaisical effort. Very very frustrated this evening. This^^ Games where the system isn't working as efficiently, the team needs to be able to have a plan B or C.. Xavier was in a great rhythm defensively, continually running sets wasn't doing much to get them on their heels a little.. Yup, been saying this for years on this board and elsewhere. I don't expect anything to change though, nor can I get too upset because at the end of the day the team is in a decent position right now. But sometimes you do get frustrated with games like this and think it doesnt have to be this easy for other teams to win when our stuff isn't working. I had a bad feeling about this game to begin with though. Agree with some of the other posters that X comps to Pitt or WVU in terms of playing physical, ugliying up the game and taking away our stuff. I feel like there was always a game or two in the old BE where Pitt or WVU just took away everything we wanted to do and challenged us physically and that's what happened here. Guess our inability to respond is to be expected with so much youth on the roster -- there will be high highs and low lows -- so lets just hope Hoyas move on and start a new streak.... |
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 27, 2015 23:51:18 GMT -5
I thought the zone press with Copeland at the front of it looked good. We never actually turned them over on it, but we were close and they were rattled (and had a few near 10 second calls). I wish we had stayed with that longer to try to turn them over and change momentum.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 27, 2015 23:59:28 GMT -5
Did anyone on site think that Trawick's thigh was still bothering him? He seemed to grimace a lot and yes, he turns the ball over, but tonight was off the charts so I wondered if the injury affected him.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 28, 2015 0:07:42 GMT -5
Did anyone on site think that Trawick's thigh was still bothering him? He seemed to grimace a lot and yes, he turns the ball over, but tonight was off the charts so I wondered if the injury affected him. I thought he probably shouldn't have played. He looked hurt and didn't really have any lift or energy like he usually has. |
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Post by msbhoya07 on Jan 28, 2015 0:07:44 GMT -5
So embarrassing. Talk about a disappointment. I'll talk next when we win a tournament game. Until then, signing off. Stay classy San Diego.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 28, 2015 0:13:29 GMT -5
So embarrassing. Talk about a disappointment. I'll talk next when we win a tournament game. Until then, signing off. Stay classy San Diego. Talk to you later |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 28, 2015 0:18:53 GMT -5
So embarrassing. Talk about a disappointment. I'll talk next when we win a tournament game. Until then, signing off. Stay classy San Diego. See ya... |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 28, 2015 0:24:17 GMT -5
Too disgusted to read through all the posts. All I will say is that Trawick and Hopkins were terrible. Might want to save the template for that post. It'll apply more times than not. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 28, 2015 0:29:08 GMT -5
Whew!I'm glad that I didn't see the game and will not be interested in seeing any high (i.e., low) lites. I think many of us thought it would be a win for us, considering how we had been playing, we were playing at home, and Xavier did not have a win on the road. That was why I was a bit afraid of this game. We also figured that we had to win all of our home games to be competitive in this BE. Now that ihats not going to happen,hr so we have to pick up a few away wins.
This game showed that we still have serious problems. It may be consistency. When we have many TOs and a bad FT% we lose. And yet we have games in which we have low TOs and a great FT%, so it comes back to the consistency problem.
Maybe the three great efforts previously took some fight out of the guys. And reading their press clips may have made them consider Xavier not as seriously as they should, although being routed by them in Cincy should have quenched that feeling.
This game will leave a bad taste in our mouths until they prove it was a fluke and they get back on track.
Bye, bye top 25 for the time being.
And yes Cincy does have our number. And that is costing me many bearclaws to my friend, undergrad at UC and masters at XU (I thought I was a cinch to win that bearclaw tonight).
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 28, 2015 0:39:49 GMT -5
jabril definitely hurt in pregame he dunked and grabbed his thigh then when went for loose ball he grabbed it and sat out for awhile. OUCH must beat beat creighton for sure now MUST WIN.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 28, 2015 5:28:00 GMT -5
very disappointed in the play of the 5 upperclassmen. josh, hop, AB, jabril & dsr had 15 of the 17 TO's in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 6:49:00 GMT -5
Hi Guys!!
Say what you want, but this is the second time now that Xavier shut us down. This is not just bad play by us. The majority of our problem was the Xavier defense. Josh Smith couldn't get open, our 3 point shooters were harassed all game, and when someone tried to dribble into the interior, they were stripped. They played man to man for the entire game. If I am a Georgetown opponent, I look at replays of our games with Xavier. When need to find an answer, and find it soon or we will be looking at an early out in the NCAAs.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 28, 2015 7:29:03 GMT -5
Xavier is the new Big East's version of South Florida. No matter how good the Georgetown team was, they would always struggle against them.
That having been said, Georgetown was not prepared in this game. When your leading shooter only takes two shot attempts in 20 minutes, when a lineup of three starters over 6-8 combine for zero offensive rebounds in the first half despite missing 12 of 16 shots, and repeated turnovers in scoring position, there's some room for improvement if this is a Thursday matchup in the Big East tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 7:44:21 GMT -5
Sure there is more than good defense at work. However, if you want to blow off the idea that Xavier's defense was not the major factor in this loss, so be it. Remember, they shut us down not once but twice this year. This is not a couple of chance events. The way they shut us down is more than the problems we had with South Florida. In terms of personnel, we are much more gifted this year with more weapons and depth than I can remember in a long time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 28, 2015 8:02:25 GMT -5
very disappointed in the play of the 5 upperclassmen. josh, hop, AB, jabril & dsr had 15 of the 17 TO's in the game. Joined by the frosh. Paul seemed to have no energy, was slow on D, and has lost his shot. LJ had a couple of moments on offense, but also was out of control a couple of times and looked confused on defense. Ike was pretty much a non-factor. And Tre - aside from the court length drive, he got completely blown by at least 4 times, and even went all Nikita on a 3! Hopefully now they realize the level of energy and focus you have to bring every single night. If so, maybe the loss can help in the long run. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 8:14:52 GMT -5
After a solid four-game winning streak, I had almost forgotten that this team is still able to look completely lost at times. Good reminder.
On to the next one...
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