Talos
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Post by Talos on Jan 25, 2015 11:37:58 GMT -5
Not enough being said about DSR's g-fense against Carlino - refs said he was being hounded by the whole GU team, but for the most part, after the hot start and Peak and 'bril going out, DSR drew the assignment and really kept Carlino off his shot for meaningful stretches. He has never gotten much respect for his D but I think yesterday we saw one of the most complete games by a guard, on d, dishing out a 5-1 asst-to ratio and raining responsive rainbow jumpers as well. Kid is a monster. But...but...but DSR isn't any good at defense, right? Or at least that's what some have been saying for two plus years. I'll admit I was one of those down on DSR's defense in the past. However, I give the kid a ton of credit for acknowledging his weakness, getting himself into great shape, and becoming a much better defender over the past two years. I remember at times during his freshman year he looked like a complete liability trying to stay in front of Big East guards. But just two years later, he is chasing around Carlino for 40+ minutes and doing a great job. His improved strength and conditioning has led to improved lateral quickness and the ability to go hard for a whole game. He'll never be an elite athlete, and he will still occasionally struggle with quick/athletic guards, but he has turned himself into a good defender. His foot speed isn't elite, but he has very quick hands, is adept at getting into passing lanes, and has great anticipation. Players like DSR have always been my favorites over the years: kids who may have not have been blessed with elite size or athleticism (compared to other D1 players) but work their butt off, and use physical/mental toughness and high basketball IQs to beat their opponents. In addition to his defense, I think his point guard skills have improved as well. He doesn't bring the ball up full-time, but when he does I think those skills have improved since the start of the season. His ability to initiate the offense, direct traffic, and distribute the ball all look better to me.
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Post by matersammich on Jan 25, 2015 11:51:05 GMT -5
Still can't believe the boys pulled that game out with everything that they were going up against. Unbelievable resiliency. Honestly, isn't this exactly what we were hoping for from some of the past teams? Man, I hope they continue on this trajectory... This is the kind of game we would have gotten in the NCAAs in recent years past and been sent packing. This is almost as encouraging to me as the Villanova game.
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Post by Filo on Jan 25, 2015 11:59:06 GMT -5
Still can't believe the boys pulled that game out with everything that they were going up against. Unbelievable resiliency. Honestly, isn't this exactly what we were hoping for from some of the past teams? Man, I hope they continue on this trajectory... This is the kind of game we would have gotten in the NCAAs in recent years past and been sent packing. This is almost as encouraging to me as the Villanova game. Yeah, like the Davidson game - home crowd advantage and all!
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 25, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5
That poster was comparing Tre to Melo Trimble - he was upset that Hoyas did not really pursue Trimble and picked up Tre instead. Not to mention Tre got destroyed by Trimble in high school. and Trimble is playing pretty damn good right now. Tre is a solid player though - definitely more than a backup point guard for Mason - I can see him either starting for us in two years or continue to come off the bench as our first backup guard. actually there were a couple folks saying Tre may be best suited mid-major. Thing about him is he's quicker than any guard JTIII's had. His defense is good too. Man, if two things jumped out at me yesterday (that I didn't already know), 1) Tre is so freaking fast. His coast2coast layup and long floater at the end of the half showcased his speed. Tyus Edneyesque. Agree fastest guard under JTIII. 2) our bigs' revelatory rebounding outside their respective areas! Josh especially, but comrade as well, exerted incredible effort to get their hands on some balls off the carom. Very impressed, understanding that MQ sans Fischer are pretty diminutive. Good win. As rotational defense and overall awareness improves 3 pt D will tighten up but very proud of squad.
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Post by richfame on Jan 25, 2015 12:27:37 GMT -5
actually there were a couple folks saying Tre may be best suited mid-major. Thing about him is he's quicker than any guard JTIII's had. His defense is good too. Man, if two things jumped out at me yesterday (that I didn't already know), 1) Tre is so freaking fast. His coast2coast layup and long floater at the end of the half showcased his speed. Tyus Edneyesque. Agree fastest guard under JTIII. 2) our bigs' revelatory rebounding outside their respective areas! Josh especially, but comrade as well, exerted incredible effort to get their hands on some balls off the carom. Very impressed, understanding that MQ sans Fischer are pretty diminutive. Good win. As rotational defense and overall awareness improves 3 pt D will tighten up but very proud of squad. i think this game showed that TRE can start and we can put TRAWick on the bench and use him as 6th man. TRE played great and i think it helps DSR immensly.
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Post by richfame on Jan 25, 2015 12:28:43 GMT -5
Not sure if discussed already but does this win get us in the top 25 again??
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 25, 2015 12:32:35 GMT -5
Man, if two things jumped out at me yesterday (that I didn't already know), 1) Tre is so freaking fast. His coast2coast layup and long floater at the end of the half showcased his speed. Tyus Edneyesque. Agree fastest guard under JTIII. 2) our bigs' revelatory rebounding outside their respective areas! Josh especially, but comrade as well, exerted incredible effort to get their hands on some balls off the carom. Very impressed, understanding that MQ sans Fischer are pretty diminutive. Good win. As rotational defense and overall awareness improves 3 pt D will tighten up but very proud of squad. i think this game showed that TRE can start and we can put TRAWick on the bench and use him as 6th man. TRE played great and i think it helps DSR immensly. I'd rather have Copeland start than Tre. Although neither scenario is going to happen.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 25, 2015 12:33:11 GMT -5
But...but...but DSR isn't any good at defense, right? Or at least that's what some have been saying for two plus years. I'll admit I was one of those down on DSR's defense in the past. However, I give the kid a ton of credit for acknowledging his weakness, getting himself into great shape, and becoming a much better defender over the past two years. I remember at times during his freshman year he looked like a complete liability trying to stay in front of Big East guards. But just two years later, he is chasing around Carlino for 40+ minutes and doing a great job. His improved strength and conditioning has led to improved lateral quickness and the ability to go hard for a whole game. He'll never be an elite athlete, and he will still occasionally struggle with quick/athletic guards, but he has turned himself into a good defender. His foot speed isn't elite, but he has very quick hands, is adept at getting into passing lanes, and has great anticipation. Players like DSR have always been my favorites over the years: kids who may have not have been blessed with elite size or athleticism (compared to other D1 players) but work their butt off, and use physical/mental toughness and high basketball IQs to beat their opponents. In addition to his defense, I think his point guard skills have improved as well. He doesn't bring the ball up full-time, but when he does I think those skills have improved since the start of the season. His ability to initiate the offense, direct traffic, and distribute the ball all look better to me. Seaweed thought the same thing. A very complete game by DSR. Much more an old style college guard. Yes he is not a great natural defender but can accomplish the same results with an outstanding bball defensive IQ which i have seen since about halfway through his freshman year when he new what was demanded at this level. Does anyone not remember the defense he played agianst napier in the OT game at uconn his freshman year.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 25, 2015 12:38:02 GMT -5
Wow. Not only has GU's RPI moved up to #13 (one spot ahead of Maryland) but the SOS is currently at #3. Only Kansas (#1) and VCU (#2) are ahead of the Hoyas on that front. And by the way....Maryland's SOS is #53. I guess the Terps are fortunate to be playing in a sucky conference. Earlier I was going to write that with four more wins (with 10 regular season games to go) the Hoyas would be a lock for the tourney. But with those numbers I mentioned above it's very possible three more wins would do the trick. There is a good chance we will have the 2nd highest SOS come Selection Sunday.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 25, 2015 12:39:35 GMT -5
But...but...but DSR isn't any good at defense, right? Or at least that's what some have been saying for two plus years. I'll admit I was one of those down on DSR's defense in the past. However, I give the kid a ton of credit for acknowledging his weakness, getting himself into great shape, and becoming a much better defender over the past two years. I remember at times during his freshman year he looked like a complete liability trying to stay in front of Big East guards. But just two years later, he is chasing around Carlino for 40+ minutes and doing a great job. His improved strength and conditioning has led to improved lateral quickness and the ability to go hard for a whole game. He'll never be an elite athlete, and he will still occasionally struggle with quick/athletic guards, but he has turned himself into a good defender. His foot speed isn't elite, but he has very quick hands, is adept at getting into passing lanes, and has great anticipation. Players like DSR have always been my favorites over the years: kids who may have not have been blessed with elite size or athleticism (compared to other D1 players) but work their butt off, and use physical/mental toughness and high basketball IQs to beat their opponents. In addition to his defense, I think his point guard skills have improved as well. He doesn't bring the ball up full-time, but when he does I think those skills have improved since the start of the season. His ability to initiate the offense, direct traffic, and distribute the ball all look better to me. He also did a great job adjusting to the officiating yesterday. By the end, when he was guarding Carlino he was holding his hands almost completely straight up (like he was being robbed) and very visible to the officials. It was like he was making an absurd point of it. As a result, they hardly called any touch fouls on him at the perimeter, though he still managed to get called for a few on dribble drives, but not too many considering the official's predilection for calling fouls in Carlino's favor.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 25, 2015 12:44:29 GMT -5
From the Marquette board: "Georgetown scored on 100% of the possessions when they controlled the ball in the first live action out of a dead ball timeout. That was 7 out of 7. Four in the first half and three in the second."
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Post by bicentennial on Jan 25, 2015 12:46:22 GMT -5
Didn't Coach Sutton have a blog a few years ago where he stressed that in close games these points on inbound plays were very important in deciding the outcome!
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 25, 2015 13:23:25 GMT -5
Really? Wish I hadn't already erased my recording of the Villanova game, 'cause now I want to rewatch the first half to make sure I saw what seemed to me was as complete a performance by the Hoyas since the 2013 Syracuse dismantlings. If what we did to the 'Cats wasn't hitting on all cylinders, Lord help the CBB world if we can improve on that! Maybe I'm too critical, but I believe that we can, and will, play even better than we did against Villanova. That's how much of an upside I see to this team. It's very exciting to watch, and to consider the possibilities.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 25, 2015 13:30:01 GMT -5
From the Xavier board, xavierhoops.com, on DSR's drawing the foul on the three-point shot in overtime:
Yesterday, 04:55 PM #521 XU82 DSR fooled them both! Should he get six FT's?
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Post by Buckets on Jan 25, 2015 13:40:53 GMT -5
From the Marquette board: "Georgetown scored on 100% of the possessions when they controlled the ball in the first live action out of a dead ball timeout. That was 7 out of 7. Four in the first half and three in the second." This is some combination of misleading and inaccurate. The split in the last sentence is definitely wrong. From the play-by-play, we were 4/7 on shots from possessions coming out of timeouts, and ended up scoring on an offensive rebound on all three of those misses. We scored out of the 16-minute media timeout in the first half, we missed after a timeout at 0:56 and scored on an offensive rebound on the same possession. We scored out of a timeout at 17:12 in the second half, scored off an offensive rebound after the 16-minute timeout, scored off a timeout at 13:12, the 8-minute timeout was a foul that led to free throws on Campbell after the break, the 4-minute timeout was a foul on Copeland that he missed the front end of a 1-and-1, we called a timeout at 1:47 that we scored off an offensive rebound, Smith hit the free throw after Woj's timeout between his 2 with 5 seconds left, then what I'm assuming triggered that observation was Campbell's 3 out of a timeout in OT.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 25, 2015 13:52:43 GMT -5
From the Marquette board: "Georgetown scored on 100% of the possessions when they controlled the ball in the first live action out of a dead ball timeout. That was 7 out of 7. Four in the first half and three in the second." This is some combination of misleading and inaccurate. The split in the last sentence is definitely wrong. From the play-by-play, we were 4/7 on shots from possessions coming out of timeouts, and ended up scoring on an offensive rebound on all three of those misses. We scored out of the 16-minute media timeout in the first half, we missed after a timeout at 0:56 and scored on an offensive rebound on the same possession. We scored out of a timeout at 17:12 in the second half, scored off an offensive rebound after the 16-minute timeout, scored off a timeout at 13:12, the 8-minute timeout was a foul that led to free throws on Campbell after the break, the 4-minute timeout was a foul on Copeland that he missed the front end of a 1-and-1, we called a timeout at 1:47 that we scored off an offensive rebound, Smith hit the free throw after Woj's timeout between his 2 with 5 seconds left, then what I'm assuming triggered that observation was Campbell's 3 out of a timeout in OT. We did do better from an execution standpoint coming out of timeouts yesterday, but one thing I'd still like to see us improve at is understanding time/possession/situation at the end of halves. We never seem to go 2 for 1 when the situation warrants itself. We got an offensive rebound with about 35 seconds left in the half, and rather than holding for last shot, DSR jacked up a quick (albeit open) 3, which fortunately he made. Marquette, given the extra possession, was able to score. We got lucky on Tre's runner at the buzzer (an open look but still a high degree of difficulty) to negate the poor clock management, but the point still is valid. Additionally, although it wasn't directly out of a timeout (rather, the review of the Carlino play, which was longer than a normal timeout), JTIII needs to make it understood that you can't miss a pass short with 0.9 seconds. If you throw it deep and it gets intercepted, odds are unlikely the turnover will lead to a miracle heave from beyond halfcourt to beat you. Hop missing with a pass short and giving Carlino another look at the end of regulation was inexcusable. Had that gone down, that probably would've been a worse way to lose than even Carlino's make to tie the game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2015 14:53:55 GMT -5
General Thoughts: - Tre's big three showed a whole bunch of things, but my favorite part of it was watching DSR read the defense and completely set it up for the 3. One of the benefits of having a team that plays a read and react is that they should be better at reacting to the defense. Both Dickey Simpkins and I expected us to go straight to Josh Smith out of the stoppage, but he was effectively doubled in what was a weird over-aggressive zone (I assume, to prevent exactly that). Someone needed to be wide open -- it was Tre. You can practically see DSR realize it, dribble to that side, drive to force Tre's man to stay down low and kick. He was looking to pass the whole time. And Tre nailed it.
- Luke FIsher flopped like 8400 times in this game. Not just on Josh's moves, or on his own shot attempts, but he's falling to the ground on rebounds, on loose balls, pretty much any time he can fake getting knocked to the ground, he's going. Not going to get a lot of calls being everyone's bitch, Luke.
- 10 turnovers! Against a team good at forcing TOs! One key part of this four game win streak: four straight games of sub-20% TO Rates; four straight games of a higher OReb% than our opponents. It's not happening every game, but we are often winning the battle of "who takes more shots" by grabbing O boards and not turning it over. That's huge -- both the win over Butler and the win over Marquette were wins despite the opponent shooting better than us from the field. Part of that is the rebounding and turnovers.
- The other part of it is getting to the line. People have correctly pointed out how well we are shooting from the line recently, and they are absolutely correct. But the other side of it is we get to the line a TON. We're #1 in the BE in getting to the line. We're 23rd in the country! Some of that is DSR at end game, some if just Josh being Josh, some of that is tit for tat in our foul fests, some of that is improved zone offense and some of that is aggressive penetration. But however it is happening, it's not a common way for Georgetown to score under III. For the year, we're only a little up versus last year, but in BE play, we're at levels we don't normally see. I don't really know if I trust it -- it's obviously a huge plus but I'm not sure how much is something that might disappear with different refs in a tourney environment. But it's great for now.
- Sandy Cohen talks a lot of junk for a player who isn't very good. #Shut up
- The defense was not good at all. Some of that just felt like "that's the way this game is going" and some was just an insane number of outside shots we game up. But quite a bit of it was a LOT of easy baskets off of screens and picks. Going to figure out how to handle that better because if we contested those plays better, it's not that close.
- Hopkins and Smith 17-19 from the line. Whatever was done int he wake of poor FT shooting earlier in the season worked. But I think more important for the pair was 9 offensive rebounds. Just a big part of the offense and despite the fact that it was only 32%, since we defensive rebounded fantastically, that was a big gap.
- Tre's coast to coast and his half court shot were a couple of the few times we've really seen him show off his speed. I'd like to see more, please.
- DSR is shooting over 40% from 3 in BE play now and is close to 40% overall.
- I had forgotten how bad Marquette fans are -- and that they chant bull after every call against their team. Wojo fits there.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 25, 2015 15:38:13 GMT -5
General Thoughts: - Luke FIsher flopped like 8400 times in this game. Not just on Josh's moves, or on his own shot attempts, but he's falling to the ground on rebounds, on loose balls, pretty much any time he can fake getting knocked to the ground, he's going. Not going to get a lot of calls being everyone's bitch, Luke.
There are few things I hate as much as big guys that try to play defense by falling down. I know some of our guys do it on occasion, but man, I just hate that. Either block the shot or play post defense--don't give up a clear path to the hoop by falling down and hope you get bailed out.
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Post by whatmaroon on Jan 25, 2015 21:09:02 GMT -5
The defense was not good at all. Some of that just felt like "that's the way this game is going" and some was just an insane number of outside shots we game up. But quite a bit of it was a LOT of easy baskets off of screens and picks. Going to figure out how to handle that better because if we contested those plays better, it's not that close. We seemed to adjust to this as the game went on. First half was bad, no question, In the final 25 minutes, though, they were only 6 of 18 inside the arc. They beat us down the court a couple times in transition, but once we were set they only had one layup/dunk. Yes, the officials had something to do with that. Yes, I bet they are a jump-shooting team in general. Yes, defense was an issue in general. Easy shots in the half court weren't what let us down in the second half, though. Instead, it was their hot outside shooting (7-11 from 3) and transition points (14, after only 2 in the first half).
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2015 21:12:52 GMT -5
Agree. I hadn't really noticed DSR defensively in the past, but in the 1st half, I watched DSR and Carlino with DSR slowing him down significantly. Remember last year DSR made a few key defensive plays that made folks notice a bit. He's just evolving....
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