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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 23, 2015 8:37:53 GMT -5
Another day and more proof there are no easy games in the Big East. Depaul's resume just keeps getting better. Resume for what? I'll make you a friendly $1 wager that they don't even make the NIT. Gottlieb is absolutely right. It reflects poorly on the conference that DePaul - who lost to Lehigh, GWU, Illinois St, Oregon St, Colorado, Ohio and LMU - is in first place. Very, very poorly. How can anyone argue with that fact? Reflect poorly on what? The goal is to have as many teams in the tournament, not to have the most media people talking about us. The better the balance is, the more teams pick up quality wins, the more teams make the tourney, the better the odds for the BE to do well in March. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 23, 2015 8:50:43 GMT -5
Also, as someone said in response to Gottdweeb, when the last place team in your league beats Oklahoma, doesn't that mean the B12 sucks?  |
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 23, 2015 10:01:37 GMT -5
Also, as someone said in response to Gottdweeb, when the last place team in your league beats Oklahoma, doesn't that mean the B12 sucks? I'm firmly in the camp of DePaul is screwing everything up. Unfortunately, they had a six game losing streak out of conference against some TERRIBLE teams that effectively submarined their season, short of running the table here. I'm don't think this team gets in at 11-7 in conference. Because of some terrible losses and an overall meh record, they have a crappy RPI so the more they beat up on the Top 6 BE teams (overall, not in conference), the more it endangers the number of league tourney bids and the more it hurts Georgetown because we will be lifted up by the high RPIs of the majority of our conference. As was stated a while back, we need MQ, DP and Creighton to lay down, have Nova and maybe us separate from the field and have the other 5 or so teams beat each other up equally. That will keep RPIs sub-40 and make it very difficult for the committee to leave someone out. Number of bids matters because, as we all know too well, March is a crapshoot. The more teams, the higher likelihood a BE team makes a run. Period. So having 6 teams instead of 4 in the tournament matters. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 23, 2015 10:26:59 GMT -5
I get what you're saying Brasky, but after all of our collective kvetching about DePaul, they finally sort of get their ish together and now we say, "whoa, easy there Oliver"? MU and CU are gonna be down this year, and even with their great fanbases, someone has to make this league relevant this year in the midwest. Might as well be Billy Garret Jr.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 23, 2015 10:34:59 GMT -5
How sweet Indiana beating Maryland. As most of us thought at the time Indiana is a very good team and our win over them gets us lots of RPI points. Plus local media that was falling all over Terps may now spend more time and ink on the Hoyas. DePaul proved last night what I've thought for a while, that Seton Hall will be one our our "easier" road wins. So will St John's. Tomorrows game is huge if we want to get to 5 road wins and 14-4 in BE (I'm thinking Nova, Butler will be our other two road loses).
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 23, 2015 10:37:36 GMT -5
How sweet Indiana beating Maryland. As most of us thought at the time Indiana is a very good team and our win over them gets us lots of RPI points. Plus local media that was falling all over Terps may now spend more time and ink on the Hoyas. DePaul proved last night what I've thought for a while, that Seton Hall will be one our our "easier" road wins. So will St John's. Tomorrows game is huge if we want to get to 5 road wins and 14-4 in BE (I'm thinking Nova, Butler will be our other two road loses). I mean, local media won't actually spend more time and ink on the Hoyas. They never do. But it is nice to have the ability to point to our win over Indiana and their beating at the hands of the Hoosiers any time people get too excited about the Terps (especially in relation to the Hoyas). |
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 23, 2015 10:41:29 GMT -5
*- home team
Higher-ranked team losses are in bold
YESTERDAY'S FINAL SCORES
DePaul 64, #24 Seton Hall* 60
#8 Notre Dame 85, Virginia Tech* 60
Radford* 73, High Point 66
Robert Morris 63, Mount St. Mary's* 59; overtime
Towson 53, Elon* 51
Providence* 69, Xavier 66; overtime
#2 Virginia 57, Georgia Tech 28
Alabama-Birmingham* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 76; overtime
#23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70
#7 Arizona 89, Stanford* 82
#3 Gonzaga* 68, St. Mary's 47
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 23, 2015 11:18:48 GMT -5
How sweet Indiana beating Maryland. As most of us thought at the time Indiana is a very good team and our win over them gets us lots of RPI points. Plus local media that was falling all over Terps may now spend more time and ink on the Hoyas. DePaul proved last night what I've thought for a while, that Seton Hall will be one our our "easier" road wins. So will St John's. Tomorrows game is huge if we want to get to 5 road wins and 14-4 in BE (I'm thinking Nova, Butler will be our other two road loses). I could be wrong but I feel like Sion Hall had our number more often than not. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 23, 2015 11:39:06 GMT -5
Also, as someone said in response to Gottdweeb, when the last place team in your league beats Oklahoma, doesn't that mean the B12 sucks? I'm firmly in the camp of DePaul is screwing everything up. Unfortunately, they had a six game losing streak out of conference against some TERRIBLE teams that effectively submarined their season, short of running the table here. I'm don't think this team gets in at 11-7 in conference. Because of some terrible losses and an overall meh record, they have a crappy RPI so the more they beat up on the Top 6 BE teams (overall, not in conference), the more it endangers the number of league tourney bids and the more it hurts Georgetown because we will be lifted up by the high RPIs of the majority of our conference. As was stated a while back, we need MQ, DP and Creighton to lay down, have Nova and maybe us separate from the field and have the other 5 or so teams beat each other up equally. That will keep RPIs sub-40 and make it very difficult for the committee to leave someone out. Number of bids matters because, as we all know too well, March is a crapshoot. The more teams, the higher likelihood a BE team makes a run. Period. So having 6 teams instead of 4 in the tournament matters. I disagree. Not trying to be a jerk, but what matters is the math. If 10 of the BE teams are in the top 125 of the RPI, that can only be a good thing. The committee doesn't sit around thinking about how pretty DePaul's 125 is. That might matter for DePaul itself, but not for the other 9 teams. What they will see when they see the top 6 teams in the BE is likely 15-20 games against the top 100 RPI. By the end of the year, Gtown, for example, may have 20+ games against the top 100. Considering most seasons, the bubble teams are teams that have like 5 wins in the top 100, having 15-20 games against the top 100 will certainly help our whole conference. DePaul might not get in at 11-7, but they would almost assuredly be a top 75-100 team with that record, if not better. That means 7 teams, including hopefully us 2X, would have beat a top 75-100 team, including on the road. That matters. |
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 23, 2015 11:39:46 GMT -5
How sweet Indiana beating Maryland. As most of us thought at the time Indiana is a very good team and our win over them gets us lots of RPI points. Plus local media that was falling all over Terps may now spend more time and ink on the Hoyas. DePaul proved last night what I've thought for a while, that Seton Hall will be one our our "easier" road wins. So will St John's. Tomorrows game is huge if we want to get to 5 road wins and 14-4 in BE (I'm thinking Nova, Butler will be our other two road loses). I could be wrong but I feel like Sion Hall had our number more often than not. Having taken more than one sad train ride home from Newark I am never confident of a victory at the Prudential Center. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 23, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -5
I'm firmly in the camp of DePaul is screwing everything up. Unfortunately, they had a six game losing streak out of conference against some TERRIBLE teams that effectively submarined their season, short of running the table here. I'm don't think this team gets in at 11-7 in conference. Because of some terrible losses and an overall meh record, they have a crappy RPI so the more they beat up on the Top 6 BE teams (overall, not in conference), the more it endangers the number of league tourney bids and the more it hurts Georgetown because we will be lifted up by the high RPIs of the majority of our conference. As was stated a while back, we need MQ, DP and Creighton to lay down, have Nova and maybe us separate from the field and have the other 5 or so teams beat each other up equally. That will keep RPIs sub-40 and make it very difficult for the committee to leave someone out. Number of bids matters because, as we all know too well, March is a crapshoot. The more teams, the higher likelihood a BE team makes a run. Period. So having 6 teams instead of 4 in the tournament matters. I disagree. Not trying to be a jerk, but what matters is the math. If 10 of the BE teams are in the top 125 of the RPI, that can only be a good thing. The committee doesn't sit around thinking about how pretty DePaul's 125 is. That might matter for DePaul itself, but not for the other 9 teams. What they will see when they see the top 6 teams in the BE is likely 15-20 games against the top 100 RPI. By the end of the year, Gtown, for example, may have 20+ games against the top 100. Considering most seasons, the bubble teams are teams that have like 5 wins in the top 100, having 15-20 games against the top 100 will certainly help our whole conference. As Selection Sunday approaches, we often hear about how the committee places great weight upon how a team is finishing the season. In that context, if DePaul continues as it has been playing since the calendar flipped to 2015, I believe it is not inconceivable that the Blue Demons' OOC schedule will be viewed as meaningless. Likewise, if DePaul regresses as the season progresses, due in no small part to the difficulty of the balance of the schedule, DePaul will not be in the discussion, and its RPI impact on the top half of the Big East will likewise be minimized. We (and especially I) have complained about the DePaul program and its lack of progress. They are finally showing cohesion, competitiveness, and achieving success on the court. We should not now be criticizing it, just because it may have arrived a month later than we selfishly wanted. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 23, 2015 11:52:18 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I feel like Sion Hall had our number more often than not. Having taken more than one sad train ride home from Newark I am never confident of a victory at the Prudential Center. And they will likely have Whitehead back for both games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:16:49 GMT -5
Only way Depaul makes the Tourney is to win the BE tournament It’s not good for the conference that they’re beating higher ranked teams or that they’ve finally started competing after a horrible non-conference.
All they’re doing is hanging a bad loss on those teams…
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 12:48:36 GMT -5
Only way Depaul makes the Tourney is to win the BE tournament It’s not good for the conference that they’re beating higher ranked teams or that they’ve finally started competing after a horrible non-conference. All they’re doing is hanging a bad loss on those teams… It may not benefit the teams in the middle of the conference trying to get a bid come March - but to have that program on the upswing in the conference would be very beneficial in the long run. And the more losses they hang on higher ranked teams, the less "bad" those losses become. I understand that Depaul is not rocketing up the RPI rankings this season, but I would love to see them become a consistent winner. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 23, 2015 12:57:36 GMT -5
Only way Depaul makes the Tourney is to win the BE tournament It’s not good for the conference that they’re beating higher ranked teams or that they’ve finally started competing after a horrible non-conference. All they’re doing is hanging a bad loss on those teams… Again, I think you guys are only saying this because it is DePaul. The fact is, this is a team that has won 4 top 100 games, 5 if you consider Marquette at 102. How can you say that they are hanging bad losses on teams? If we lose at Marquette, do you think that is a bad loss? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:58:05 GMT -5
Only way Depaul makes the Tourney is to win the BE tournament It’s not good for the conference that they’re beating higher ranked teams or that they’ve finally started competing after a horrible non-conference. All they’re doing is hanging a bad loss on those teams… It may not benefit the teams in the middle of the conference trying to get a bid come March - but to have that program on the upswing in the conference would be very beneficial in the long run. And the more losses they hang on higher ranked teams, the less "bad" those losses become. I understand that Depaul is not rocketing up the RPI rankings this season, but I would love to see them become a consistent winner. There’s very little upside to them finishing 8-8 in the BE or 10-6 etc… It’s very unlikely they even get in the top 100 rpi. If they want to start being a consistent winner, I’m all for it. But it would be best for the conference if they started next season in the OOC.. Was watching one of the Bracketology experts who had 7 BE teams in a couple weeks back and he said the only way the BE doesn’t get 6 teams in is if lower level teams like Depaul start beating The higher ranked teams… |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:59:58 GMT -5
Only way Depaul makes the Tourney is to win the BE tournament It’s not good for the conference that they’re beating higher ranked teams or that they’ve finally started competing after a horrible non-conference. All they’re doing is hanging a bad loss on those teams… Again, I think you guys are only saying this because it is DePaul. The fact is, this is a team that has won 4 top 100 games, 5 if you consider Marquette at 102. How can you say that they are hanging bad losses on teams? If we lose at Marquette, do you think that is a bad loss? Yes losing to Marquette would be a bad loss. Any loss to a team with a sub 100 RPI is a bad loss. I could care less about Depaul, I care about their RPI ranking. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 23, 2015 13:03:07 GMT -5
Again, I think you guys are only saying this because it is DePaul. The fact is, this is a team that has won 4 top 100 games, 5 if you consider Marquette at 102. How can you say that they are hanging bad losses on teams? If we lose at Marquette, do you think that is a bad loss? Yes losing to Marquette would be a bad loss. Any loss to a team with a sub 100 RPI is a bad loss. I could care less about Depaul, I care about their RPI ranking... Well, i dont think the Committee thinks of it that way. Losing in conference on the road to #102 RPI ranked team isnt really that bad. My guess is that we are underdogs. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 23, 2015 13:03:30 GMT -5
I'm firmly in the camp of DePaul is screwing everything up. Unfortunately, they had a six game losing streak out of conference against some TERRIBLE teams that effectively submarined their season, short of running the table here. I'm don't think this team gets in at 11-7 in conference. Because of some terrible losses and an overall meh record, they have a crappy RPI so the more they beat up on the Top 6 BE teams (overall, not in conference), the more it endangers the number of league tourney bids and the more it hurts Georgetown because we will be lifted up by the high RPIs of the majority of our conference. As was stated a while back, we need MQ, DP and Creighton to lay down, have Nova and maybe us separate from the field and have the other 5 or so teams beat each other up equally. That will keep RPIs sub-40 and make it very difficult for the committee to leave someone out. Number of bids matters because, as we all know too well, March is a crapshoot. The more teams, the higher likelihood a BE team makes a run. Period. So having 6 teams instead of 4 in the tournament matters. I disagree. Not trying to be a jerk, but what matters is the math. If 10 of the BE teams are in the top 125 of the RPI, that can only be a good thing. The committee doesn't sit around thinking about how pretty DePaul's 125 is. That might matter for DePaul itself, but not for the other 9 teams. What they will see when they see the top 6 teams in the BE is likely 15-20 games against the top 100 RPI. By the end of the year, Gtown, for example, may have 20+ games against the top 100. Considering most seasons, the bubble teams are teams that have like 5 wins in the top 100, having 15-20 games against the top 100 will certainly help our whole conference. DePaul might not get in at 11-7, but they would almost assuredly be a top 75-100 team with that record, if not better. That means 7 teams, including hopefully us 2X, would have beat a top 75-100 team, including on the road. That matters. Yes and no. What we don't want is the worst of all worlds: DePaul and Creighton winning not quite enough to be considered decent themselves, but enough against the teams fighting for a bid to screw it up. It's conceivable that happens. But I agree it most likely won't. Creighton, for one, doesn't look like a risk there. In any event, yes, the number of good wins you need to be considered for a bid is shockingly low. Last year, the last four teams in the field averaged 3 wins against the top 50. Seton Hall (just to take one example) already has those 3 top 50 wins with a whopping 8 shots left against top 50 teams. (We also already have the 3 and have 6 shots left.) Teams can screw it up (and DePaul, Creigh, and Marq can assist with that), but it'd take some bad luck at this point, particularly since those teams aren't truly that bad in the statistical sense, such that one loss to them isn't a killer. N.B.: How'd you like to be UConn, which provides a pretty good contrast? You've played a pretty good non-conference schedule but lost close games to some pretty good teams (sound familiar?) You have two top 50 wins and 3 top 100 wins. But your league stinks so much that you only have four games even left to try to beat a top 50 team. And (more importantly), you are forced to play four games against RPI 200+ teams -- lose any of those (and some are on the road, obviously), and you're essentially toast. That's the big difference: the league as a whole has built up enough statistical edge that individual teams can afford a bad loss or two and still be fine. If DeP and Creigh and Marq. want to get wins, we should just hope they're almost exclusively against each other from here on out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:05:34 GMT -5
Yes losing to Marquette would be a bad loss. Any loss to a team with a sub 100 RPI is a bad loss. I could care less about Depaul, I care about their RPI ranking... Well, i dont think the Committee thinks of it that way. Losing in conference on the road to #102 RPI ranked team isnt really that bad. My guess is that we are underdogs. Depends on where you are on the Bubble. If your borderline than it matter a lot. Seton Halls RPI went from 20 to 38 after that loss.. |
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