njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 22, 2015 23:23:39 GMT -5
BUM Lite is just trying to rile us up. Ignore him, and he'll go away. . .in due time.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 22, 2015 23:25:46 GMT -5
Another day and more proof there are no easy games in the Big East. Depaul's resume just keeps getting better. Seton Hall has an RPI of 20. Depaul is at 155. It will be interesting to see how much it changes tomorrow.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 22, 2015 23:26:15 GMT -5
*- home team Higher-ranked team losses are in bold
FINAL SCORES DePaul 64, #24 Seton Hall* 60 #8 Notre Dame 85, Virginia Tech* 60 Radford* 73, High Point 66 Robert Morris 63, Mount St. Mary's* 59; overtime Towson 53, Elon* 51 Providence* 69, Xavier 66; overtime #2 Virginia 57, Georgia Tech 28 Alabama-Birmingham* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 76; overtime #23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70
IN THE SECOND HALF #7 Arizona 84, Stanford* 75 (0:52 to play)
IN THE FIRST HALF #3 Gonzaga* 8, St. Mary's 6 (14:47)
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 22, 2015 23:31:53 GMT -5
*- home team Higher-ranked team losses are in bold #23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70 ) I guess that's good for us although I don't know how they are ranked ahead of us.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 22, 2015 23:37:38 GMT -5
What the hell is up with Depaul though? They certainly seemed pretty solid in the game against us, but they were dreadful in non-conference save beating up Stanford. Did they just gel all of a sudden? Did they drug everyone in the conference?
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Post by Filo on Jan 22, 2015 23:39:32 GMT -5
Of course Gottlieb tweeted that DePaul being in first place is proof that the conference isn't that good. Wow. First I have heard of the thief's name this season. Was hoping he was banished from college ball. Oh well.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 22, 2015 23:52:17 GMT -5
*- home team Higher-ranked team losses are in bold
FINAL SCORES DePaul 64, #24 Seton Hall* 60 #8 Notre Dame 85, Virginia Tech* 60 Radford* 73, High Point 66 Robert Morris 63, Mount St. Mary's* 59; overtime Towson 53, Elon* 51 Providence* 69, Xavier 66; overtime #2 Virginia 57, Georgia Tech 28 Alabama-Birmingham* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 76; overtime #23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70 #7 Arizona 89, Stanford* 82
IN THE FIRST HALF #3 Gonzaga* 27, St. Mary's 19 (2:19 to play)
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Post by jester on Jan 23, 2015 0:07:27 GMT -5
I think the RPI will reflect where the Big East stands..at the end of the day, not as many elite eight contenders but plenty of top 50ish teams (SOS definitely bumping up their RPI though).
DePaul is not a great team, but they have been playing at the same level of Seton Hall, St. Johns etc in conference...which have not really been playing as well/consistent since the year started.
Also what is Xavier with second half comebacks? They had one against us last year, they almost did against Nova this year, and tonight they came back to force overtime against Providence. All these teams are tough outs in conference, and you really got to play to the end...
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 23, 2015 0:16:55 GMT -5
*- home team Higher-ranked team losses are in bold
FINAL SCORES DePaul 64, #24 Seton Hall* 60 #8 Notre Dame 85, Virginia Tech* 60 Radford* 73, High Point 66 Robert Morris 63, Mount St. Mary's* 59; overtime Towson 53, Elon* 51 Providence* 69, Xavier 66; overtime #2 Virginia 57, Georgia Tech 28 Alabama-Birmingham* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 76; overtime #23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70 #7 Arizona 89, Stanford* 82
IN THE SECOND HALF #3 Gonzaga* 35, St. Mary's 27 (15:15 to play)
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Post by Hoyaholic on Jan 23, 2015 0:17:48 GMT -5
Another day and more proof there are no easy games in the Big East. Depaul's resume just keeps getting better. Resume for what? I'll make you a friendly $1 wager that they don't even make the NIT. Gottlieb is absolutely right. It reflects poorly on the conference that DePaul - who lost to Lehigh, GWU, Illinois St, Oregon St, Colorado, Ohio and LMU - is in first place. Very, very poorly. How can anyone argue with that fact?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 23, 2015 0:30:33 GMT -5
Another day and more proof there are no easy games in the Big East. Depaul's resume just keeps getting better. Resume for what? I'll make you a friendly $1 wager that they don't even make the NIT. Gottlieb is absolutely right. It reflects poorly on the conference that DePaul - who lost to Lehigh, GWU, Illinois St, Oregon St, Colorado, Ohio and LMU - is in first place. Very, very poorly. How can anyone argue with that fact? GWU is really good.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 23, 2015 0:36:41 GMT -5
DePaul is top 10 in the nation in free throw shooting at 760% coming into today's game.
70th in 3pt shooting but 23rd in the nation in 3pters made which is the more important number. For example Virgina Tech is 18th in 3pt % but 151 in 3pt made which means they shoot a high percentage (probably from their one 3pt specialist) but don't take that many 3pters.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 23, 2015 1:33:32 GMT -5
Another day and more proof there are no easy games in the Big East. Depaul's resume just keeps getting better. Resume for what? I'll make you a friendly $1 wager that they don't even make the NIT. Gottlieb is absolutely right. It reflects poorly on the conference that DePaul - who lost to Lehigh, GWU, Illinois St, Oregon St, Colorado, Ohio and LMU - is in first place. Very, very poorly. How can anyone argue with that fact? That might hold true if teams never improved over the course of a season. I've seen some of DePaul "before" and "after" this season, and they are playing completely differently. I do think that eventually things might catch up to them and they could fall down the ladder again, but a team playing better later is a sign a team is playing differently and better than earlier in the season. If those losses OOC were scattered throughout the conference season, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. Also, Gottlieb is only right by accident, almost always.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 1:42:37 GMT -5
Of course Gottlieb tweeted that DePaul being in first place is proof that the conference isn't that good. Their 2 losses are to the teams they are tied with lol. And Depaul beat Stanford, the third place team in the Pac-10, so is that conference not that good too?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jan 23, 2015 2:34:30 GMT -5
Nonsense by Gottleib. Every single Big East team has a win against a good major conference opponent. Every single one of them. Creighton over Oklahoma, Providence over ND, DePaul over Stanford and even Marquette over Tennessee. Those teams are all doing well in their respective conferences. If our conference is overrated then every other major conference is overrated too because we have wins versus all of them.
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Post by dense on Jan 23, 2015 5:39:34 GMT -5
*- home team Higher-ranked team losses are in bold #23 Indiana* 89, #13 Maryland 70 ) I guess that's good for us although I don't know how they are ranked ahead of us. They have 4 losses.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 23, 2015 6:32:32 GMT -5
Nonsense by Gottleib. Every single Big East team has a win against a good major conference opponent. Every single one of them. Creighton over Oklahoma, Providence over ND, DePaul over Stanford and even Marquette over Tennessee. Those teams are all doing well in their respective conferences. If our conference is overrated then every other major conference is overrated too because we have wins versus all of them. Ding ding ding. Winner! Depaul is on a nice run and if they stay on top of the Big East (unlikely but who knows) they have clearly turned a corner and would be in NCAA discussion. If they don't, well how can the Big East be "embarrassed" by them finishing sixth? But the Big East is a good conference by every holistic objective measure. If you use Depaul winning a couple 50/50 games to start the conference season as "proof" it's not, you had to start with the premise that was in question.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 23, 2015 7:37:05 GMT -5
Depaul's RPI is now 131. They still have a lot of work to do to make the NCAAs.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 23, 2015 7:46:04 GMT -5
And Seton Hall's RPI dropped 20 spots to 40. That's a big hit.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 23, 2015 8:17:28 GMT -5
Nonsense by Gottleib. Every single Big East team has a win against a good major conference opponent. Every single one of them. Creighton over Oklahoma, Providence over ND, DePaul over Stanford and even Marquette over Tennessee. Those teams are all doing well in their respective conferences. If our conference is overrated then every other major conference is overrated too because we have wins versus all of them. Ding ding ding. Winner! Depaul is on a nice run and if they stay on top of the Big East (unlikely but who knows) they have clearly turned a corner and would be in NCAA discussion. If they don't, well how can the Big East be "embarrassed" by them finishing sixth? But the Big East is a good conference by every holistic objective measure. If you use Depaul winning a couple 50/50 games to start the conference season as "proof" it's not, you had to start with the premise that was in question. It's not even a question. There are objective cases you could make if you base your conclusions on metrics that don't favor us ("The ACC is better because it has more very top teams in its league this year" etc.). But to say that the BE just isn't very good is rubbish. By the way, I think it's nearly certain we'll get five bids, and it's quite likely we'll get six. Four teams are top 20 in the RPI. Three more are in the top 43. Obviously, Marq and Crei can spoil some of the party (and DePaul is in the process of spoiling it), but the odds are good that six of those seven will get in. And, particularly this year, it's certainly not out of the question that one of the other three makes a miracle run to steal a bid at MSG. It's one thing to say "Despite their credentials, I just don't think they're good." Well, OK. I can't really argue with that sort of opinion. But to suggest that you're sure six teams won't get in. Well, that's just ignorance. In any event, as to DePaul, the next three games are key: They're at X, at Provy, and get Nova at home. They've already played the three league teams with the worst records. My guess is that they finish the first half of the season at 5-5 -- improved over expectation for sure -- but no longer standing out.
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