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Post by drquigley on Jan 12, 2015 10:32:06 GMT -5
Okay, let's consider all the top recruits that NC, Kansas, Kentucky etc got over the past ten years. Why didn't any of them come to Gtown? Was it because of the coach? Was it because they didn't like the BE or D.C.? Were there not enough majors or distinguished faculty? Or was it because our academics were too demanding? Our facilities suck? Our emphasis was still on running a clean program with no looking the other way? The deflated basketball? We are trying to compete in an increasingly competitive - and corrupt - environment. The fact that we aren't dominating that environment like we did 30 years ago is, in my mind, less a comment on JTIII than it is on the sport itself. You want us to be able to compete against NC, Kansas, Kentucky then; 1) reinstitute the freshman ineligible rule; 2) prohibit student athletes from leaving before their Junior year; 3) crack down on curricula offered student athletes; 4) a la Bobby Knight reduce scholarships for schools that fail to graduate student athletes. In short, return to the true meaning of "student athlete". Otherwise accept the fact that GU and JTIII are doing pretty good at running a competitive Division 1 bball program and maintaining the integrity of the school. If it is considered stupid to think you don't fire a coach who is doing all these things unless he has a demonstrated record of being unable to do either then I'm stupid.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2015 11:24:53 GMT -5
Okay, let's consider all the top recruits that NC, Kansas, Kentucky etc got over the past ten years. Why didn't any of them come to Gtown? Was it because of the coach? Was it because they didn't like the BE or D.C.? Were there not enough majors or distinguished faculty? Or was it because our academics were too demanding? Our facilities suck? Our emphasis was still on running a clean program with no looking the other way? The deflated basketball? We are trying to compete in an increasingly competitive - and corrupt - environment. The fact that we aren't dominating that environment like we did 30 years ago is, in my mind, less a comment on JTIII than it is on the sport itself. You want us to be able to compete against NC, Kansas, Kentucky then; 1) reinstitute the freshman ineligible rule; 2) prohibit student athletes from leaving before their Junior year; 3) crack down on curricula offered student athletes; 4) a la Bobby Knight reduce scholarships for schools that fail to graduate student athletes. In short, return to the true meaning of "student athlete". Otherwise accept the fact that GU and JTIII are doing pretty good at running a competitive Division 1 bball program and maintaining the integrity of the school. If it is considered stupid to think you don't fire a coach who is doing all these things unless he has a demonstrated record of being unable to do either then I'm stupid. Pops brought the team to very high heights through a combination of factors, but the biggest one is not one that will repeat. He was one of the few African American coaches at the time in a sport dominated by African Americans. He recruited way over way you'd expect from Georgetown's basketball history, fanbase, academic requirements (i.e. going to class, not SAT scores), etc. He was a good coach that brought a fun to play style that worked (in that era) but he also made Georgetown bigger than it really was. That's not happening again. We aren't going to always be able to compete recruiting-wise with the bigger "names." It's simply a status symbol to go to Kentucky or UNC or whatever. Once we get past that and remove the big time programs from the lens, it's hard to criticize the overall job JTIII is doing.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 12, 2015 11:51:05 GMT -5
SF...great description of the unique factors which brought Gtown to the top of the college bball world for more than a decade. And, as Drq correctly argues, its unrealistic in this day of one and dones to expect any of them to come to the Hilltop , take demanding classes, have poor facilities and not be idolized throughout the community. So III is clearly doing a good job recruiting..although I would note that Nova has been doing quite well, in a somewhat similar situation. Personally, I doubt Georgetown could ever find a better all around coach and representative of the school then, JTIII. I think part of the problem for many of us old timers is that we had a Hall of Fame coach for many years, who although hardly an X and O guy, could really motivate his guys to wreak havoc on the court, especially on defense on and the boards. Don't feel that III is a great X and O guy (good,maybe) and certainly not the fiery motivator his father was. He is undoubtedly a good, solid, big time basketball coach, who took us to a Final Four ( something I had given up hope of) I suspect as long as the team makes the NCAA's on a semi regular basis and is ranked on occasion...we will not see another coach until III decides he has had enough.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2015 12:12:27 GMT -5
SF...great description of the unique factors which brought Gtown to the top of the college bball world for more than a decade. And, as Drq correctly argues, its unrealistic in this day of one and dones to expect any of them to come to the Hilltop , take demanding classes, have poor facilities and not be idolized throughout the community. So III is clearly doing a good job recruiting..although I would note that Nova has been doing quite well, in a somewhat similar situation. Personally, I doubt Georgetown could ever find a better all around coach and representative of the school then, JTIII. I think part of the problem for many of us old timers is that we had a Hall of Fame coach for many years, who although hardly an X and O guy, could really motivate his guys to wreak havoc on the court, especially on defense on and the boards. Don't feel that III is a great X and O guy (good,maybe) and certainly not the fiery motivator his father was. He is undoubtedly a good, solid, big time basketball coach, who took us to a Final Four ( something I had given up hope of) I suspect as long as the team makes the NCAA's on a semi regular basis and is ranked on occasion...we will not see another coach until III decides he has had enough. I get that. And I can understand. I just don't think we get and keep a coach who can do better. I mean, there's a chance, but it's slim. It's worth noting that Wright has Nova ties, that every great coach that's gone through Butler has left, and it's very worth noting that retaining Thompson gives us a tie in perception and recruiting to the era where the school boxed above its weight. It's also probably worth noting that Pops' style would not work as well now in terms of on the court play. I'm not saying we're done with Final Fours. But this coach can get us there; he has. We're a Top 25 program over his era.
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Post by hoyarad on Jan 12, 2015 13:01:57 GMT -5
Hmmm.......this thread appears after a tough AWAY loss...figures. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. We had four freshman playing at one point - that's never happened consistently before. Enjoy the ride this year! Now, if we make the tournament and lose to a FGCU again - that would be time to start up this thread.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 12, 2015 14:40:30 GMT -5
Completely agree that JTII raised the program way above its natural level. But I think JTII decided to quit when Iverson pulled his 2 and done. That had never happened to Pops before. I think he saw the handwriting on the wall and realized that he could never expect to keep his kids for 4 years and exert the kind of control over his athletes that he had in the past. Does a kid who pulls one and done even go to class second semester? Does anyone care? The corruption of college athletics is so bad that the Ohio State quarterback could tweet that he didn't understand why he had to go to class because after all he didn't go to Ohio State to "play school but to play football". Okay, I'm done venting. But like I said at the beginning as long as JTIII doesn't pull an Esh (okay maybe 3-4 losing seasons instead of 5-6) we would be crazy to ask for his head. I'm still proud of my college and my degree. How do UNC alums feel after what was going on there?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2015 15:00:15 GMT -5
Okay, let's consider all the top recruits that NC, Kansas, Kentucky etc got over the past ten years. Why didn't any of them come to Gtown? Was it because of the coach? Was it because they didn't like the BE or D.C.? Were there not enough majors or distinguished faculty? Or was it because our academics were too demanding? Our facilities suck? Our emphasis was still on running a clean program with no looking the other way? The deflated basketball? We are trying to compete in an increasingly competitive - and corrupt - environment. The fact that we aren't dominating that environment like we did 30 years ago is, in my mind, less a comment on JTIII than it is on the sport itself. You want us to be able to compete against NC, Kansas, Kentucky then; 1) reinstitute the freshman ineligible rule; 2) prohibit student athletes from leaving before their Junior year; 3) crack down on curricula offered student athletes; 4) a la Bobby Knight reduce scholarships for schools that fail to graduate student athletes. In short, return to the true meaning of "student athlete". Otherwise accept the fact that GU and JTIII are doing pretty good at running a competitive Division 1 bball program and maintaining the integrity of the school. If it is considered stupid to think you don't fire a coach who is doing all these things unless he has a demonstrated record of being unable to do either then I'm stupid. Pops brought the team to very high heights through a combination of factors, but the biggest one is not one that will repeat. He was one of the few African American coaches at the time in a sport dominated by African Americans. He recruited way over way you'd expect from Georgetown's basketball history, fanbase, academic requirements (i.e. going to class, not SAT scores), etc. He was a good coach that brought a fun to play style that worked (in that era) but he also made Georgetown bigger than it really was. That's not happening again. We aren't going to always be able to compete recruiting-wise with the bigger "names." It's simply a status symbol to go to Kentucky or UNC or whatever. Once we get past that and remove the big time programs from the lens, it's hard to criticize the overall job JTIII is doing. Dynamics have definitely changed. Teams like Kansas, Duke and even Kentucky used to be predominantly white teams but now recruit the same type of players Georgetown was getting. So Georgetown now competes with Duke and KU for recruit whereas in the past they didn't have to. Kansas is a good example. Under Roy Williams they recruited only locally (in that midwestern farm region) and the resulting teams were made up of guys like Osertag, Lafraentz, Scott Pollard, Henrich, Nick Collison. When Bill Self got there the big change was that they started recruiting nationally which meant you had this juggernaut program now competing for the best players in the nation to the detriment of everyone else.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 12, 2015 15:24:12 GMT -5
Completely agree that JTII raised the program way above its natural level. But I think JTII decided to quit when Iverson pulled his 2 and done. That had never happened to Pops before. I think he saw the handwriting on the wall and realized that he could never expect to keep his kids for 4 years and exert the kind of control over his athletes that he had in the past. Does a kid who pulls one and done even go to class second semester? Does anyone care? The corruption of college athletics is so bad that the Ohio State quarterback could tweet that he didn't understand why he had to go to class because after all he didn't go to Ohio State to "play school but to play football". Okay, I'm done venting. But like I said at the beginning as long as JTIII doesn't pull an Esh (okay maybe 3-4 losing seasons instead of 5-6) we would be crazy to ask for his head. I'm still proud of my college and my degree. How do UNC alums feel after what was going on there? I think Pops was probably more discouraged by Vic leaving than AI. Iverson was a Top 3 pick by every analysis while was considered at best a 2nd rounder. I think Pops understood that he wouldn't have Chuck for 4 yrs.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 12, 2015 15:32:13 GMT -5
Completely agree that JTII raised the program way above its natural level. But I think JTII decided to quit when Iverson pulled his 2 and done. That had never happened to Pops before. I think he saw the handwriting on the wall and realized that he could never expect to keep his kids for 4 years and exert the kind of control over his athletes that he had in the past. Does a kid who pulls one and done even go to class second semester? Does anyone care? The corruption of college athletics is so bad that the Ohio State quarterback could tweet that he didn't understand why he had to go to class because after all he didn't go to Ohio State to "play school but to play football". Okay, I'm done venting. But like I said at the beginning as long as JTIII doesn't pull an Esh (okay maybe 3-4 losing seasons instead of 5-6) we would be crazy to ask for his head. I'm still proud of my college and my degree. How do UNC alums feel after what was going on there? On a related note, I'd sure like to see how the NCAA feels about it. It sure is taking long enough to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 15:38:31 GMT -5
Pops brought the team to very high heights through a combination of factors, but the biggest one is not one that will repeat. He was one of the few African American coaches at the time in a sport dominated by African Americans. He recruited way over way you'd expect from Georgetown's basketball history, fanbase, academic requirements (i.e. going to class, not SAT scores), etc. He was a good coach that brought a fun to play style that worked (in that era) but he also made Georgetown bigger than it really was. That's not happening again. We aren't going to always be able to compete recruiting-wise with the bigger "names." It's simply a status symbol to go to Kentucky or UNC or whatever. Once we get past that and remove the big time programs from the lens, it's hard to criticize the overall job JTIII is doing. Dynamics have definitely changed. Teams like Kansas, Duke and even Kentucky used to be predominantly white teams but now recruit the same type of players Georgetown was getting. So Georgetown now competes with Duke and KU for recruit whereas in the past they didn't have to. Kansas is a good example. Under Roy Williams they recruited only locally (in that midwestern farm region) and the resulting teams were made up of guys like Osertag, Lafraentz, Scott Pollard, Henrich, Nick Collison. When Bill Self got there the big change was that they started recruiting nationally which meant you had this juggernaut program now competing for the best players in the nation to the detriment of everyone else. At least we beat them out for Hopkins
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2015 17:02:44 GMT -5
Pops brought the team to very high heights through a combination of factors, but the biggest one is not one that will repeat. He was one of the few African American coaches at the time in a sport dominated by African Americans. He recruited way over way you'd expect from Georgetown's basketball history, fanbase, academic requirements (i.e. going to class, not SAT scores), etc. He was a good coach that brought a fun to play style that worked (in that era) but he also made Georgetown bigger than it really was. That's not happening again. We aren't going to always be able to compete recruiting-wise with the bigger "names." It's simply a status symbol to go to Kentucky or UNC or whatever. Once we get past that and remove the big time programs from the lens, it's hard to criticize the overall job JTIII is doing. Dynamics have definitely changed. Teams like Kansas, Duke and even Kentucky used to be predominantly white teams but now recruit the same type of players Georgetown was getting. So Georgetown now competes with Duke and KU for recruit whereas in the past they didn't have to. Kansas is a good example. Under Roy Williams they recruited only locally (in that midwestern farm region) and the resulting teams were made up of guys like Osertag, Lafraentz, Scott Pollard, Henrich, Nick Collison. When Bill Self got there the big change was that they started recruiting nationally which meant you had this juggernaut program now competing for the best players in the nation to the detriment of everyone else. Paul Pierce was came from Inglewood. Jacque Vaughn was from Califorina as well. Roy Williams recruited a good mix of players from all over the country. City guys and "farm" guys. Hot seat? III is too good of coach to be on the seat here. III went through a period after the Hibbert era and before the Otto Porter era years, where he didn't have the assistant coaches/recruiters to really help shape his roster. The current group he has now is a definite upgrade. I think we'll start seeing better results in the future. Maybe if he recruited better guard depth, we'd have more success in the NCAA tournament as well? He can recruit the 4's, 3's and 5's. But the 1's and 2's he could build more depth. Just having 1 or 2 guys every year that can only handle the rock, hurts come tournament time. Maybe it is the Princeton where ballhandlers shy away from us and we can't land them.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 12, 2015 17:30:44 GMT -5
SF...great description of the unique factors which brought Gtown to the top of the college bball world for more than a decade. And, as Drq correctly argues, its unrealistic in this day of one and dones to expect any of them to come to the Hilltop , take demanding classes, have poor facilities and not be idolized throughout the community. So III is clearly doing a good job recruiting..although I would note that Nova has been doing quite well, in a somewhat similar situation. Personally, I doubt Georgetown could ever find a better all around coach and representative of the school then, JTIII. I think part of the problem for many of us old timers is that we had a Hall of Fame coach for many years, who although hardly an X and O guy, could really motivate his guys to wreak havoc on the court, especially on defense on and the boards. Don't feel that III is a great X and O guy (good,maybe) and certainly not the fiery motivator his father was. He is undoubtedly a good, solid, big time basketball coach, who took us to a Final Four ( something I had given up hope of) I suspect as long as the team makes the NCAA's on a semi regular basis and is ranked on occasion...we will not see another coach until III decides he has had enough. I get that. And I can understand. I just don't think we get and keep a coach who can do better. I mean, there's a chance, but it's slim. It's worth noting that Wright has Nova ties, that every great coach that's gone through Butler has left, and it's very worth noting that retaining Thompson gives us a tie in perception and recruiting to the era where the school boxed above its weight. It's also probably worth noting that Pops' style would not work as well now in terms of on the court play. I'm not saying we're done with Final Fours. But this coach can get us there; he has. We're a Top 25 program over his era. This mindset is pathetic.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2015 17:39:12 GMT -5
Dynamics have definitely changed. Teams like Kansas, Duke and even Kentucky used to be predominantly white teams but now recruit the same type of players Georgetown was getting. So Georgetown now competes with Duke and KU for recruit whereas in the past they didn't have to. Kansas is a good example. Under Roy Williams they recruited only locally (in that midwestern farm region) and the resulting teams were made up of guys like Osertag, Lafraentz, Scott Pollard, Henrich, Nick Collison. When Bill Self got there the big change was that they started recruiting nationally which meant you had this juggernaut program now competing for the best players in the nation to the detriment of everyone else. Paul Pierce was came from Inglewood. Jacque Vaughn was from Califorina as well. Roy Williams recruited a good mix of players from all over the country. City guys and "farm" guys. Hot seat? III is too good of coach to be on the seat here. III went through a period after the Hibbert era and before the Otto Porter era years, where he didn't have the assistant coaches/recruiters to really help shape his roster. The current group he has now is a definite upgrade. I think we'll start seeing better results in the future. Maybe if he recruited better guard depth, we'd have more success in the NCAA tournament as well? He can recruit the 4's, 3's and 5's. But the 1's and 2's he could build more depth. Just having 1 or 2 guys every year that can only handle the rock, hurts come tournament time. Maybe it is the Princeton where ballhandlers shy away from us and we can't land them. How many "farm guys" have you seen since Self took over KU. There's been a definite change in recruiting at KU and we are now battling for the same recruits as they are.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2015 17:40:43 GMT -5
I get that. And I can understand. I just don't think we get and keep a coach who can do better. I mean, there's a chance, but it's slim. It's worth noting that Wright has Nova ties, that every great coach that's gone through Butler has left, and it's very worth noting that retaining Thompson gives us a tie in perception and recruiting to the era where the school boxed above its weight. It's also probably worth noting that Pops' style would not work as well now in terms of on the court play. I'm not saying we're done with Final Fours. But this coach can get us there; he has. We're a Top 25 program over his era. This mindset is pathetic. It's not pathetic if you think III is a very good coach, which I do. I do not think there is any chance we are getting Tom Izzo, John Calipari or a similar level coach to come to GU for various reasons. I fail to see what is pathetic about that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 12, 2015 18:29:52 GMT -5
Problem of Dog, please tell us who the good coaches are that are clamoring to come to Georgetown? It seems like your viewpoint is based on some or all of these misconceptions:
- There's a huge pool of great coaches. The pool of available good quality coaches (meaning, you get to the NCAA tournament more often than not) is actually pretty small. There really aren't many coaches who have achieved even what JT3 has achieved, and of the coaches that have done better, I cannot name one who would be likely to take the job at Georgetown. The most accomplished out there (who would consider the job) might be someone like Howland, and Georgetown would probably never touch him.
- JT3 isn't very good. If you don't think JT3 is a good coach, I can see why you might think there are better options there. Again, talk to me when you find a coach who has been to the Final Four, and the NCAA tournament 7 times in 10 years who is willing to come to Georgetown.
- Whoever replaces JT3 would do better. The odds actually say this is highly unlikely. As I said, how many coaches have won the Big East Tournament, won the Big East regular season, made a Final Four, and several NCAA appearances? Very few.
- A top flight coach would stay at Georgetown. The great thing about JT3 is that he's a very good coach, and there is virtually no chance he will bolt for a "better" gig given his background with the university. Even if we lucked out with a young great coach, the odds he or she would leave are very high. And then you start all over again, like Butler.
I don't see what is "pathetic" about recognizing that we have a very good coach who uniquely fits Georgetown better than any other viable option.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 12, 2015 20:04:19 GMT -5
Well put Golden Hoya.
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2015 20:48:33 GMT -5
Paul Pierce was came from Inglewood. Jacque Vaughn was from Califorina as well. Roy Williams recruited a good mix of players from all over the country. City guys and "farm" guys. Hot seat? III is too good of coach to be on the seat here. III went through a period after the Hibbert era and before the Otto Porter era years, where he didn't have the assistant coaches/recruiters to really help shape his roster. The current group he has now is a definite upgrade. I think we'll start seeing better results in the future. Maybe if he recruited better guard depth, we'd have more success in the NCAA tournament as well? He can recruit the 4's, 3's and 5's. But the 1's and 2's he could build more depth. Just having 1 or 2 guys every year that can only handle the rock, hurts come tournament time. Maybe it is the Princeton where ballhandlers shy away from us and we can't land them. How many "farm guys" have you seen since Self took over KU. There's been a definite change in recruiting at KU and we are now battling for the same recruits as they are. Not really. We recruited Grant Hill just like Duke did. We dropped the ball on that one. And with III, what about Greg Monroe? Kansas got the cream of the crop of recruits when Roy was there. It is Kansas. One of the top 5 premier jobs in Basketball. It is the same now. Roy Williams and Self are two different coaches. Self's Kansas squad's now look similar to what he recruited and left at Illinois. This year's Kentucky squad looks no different than Pitino's 1995-1996 team. Maybe the Duke's, Kentucky's, Kansas' of today need to talk to Bo Ryan. In all seriousness, the top schools will go after the top players. They are going to get what they want. Really has no effect on what we do here though. We've shown we can get recruits and find diamonds in the rough to compete under III. Looking at what Bo Ryan has done or Jay Wright has done, i think we are okay with III. The challenges III faces on the recruiting trail are: 1) Our new conference 2) Playing on Fox Sports 3) Students have to go to class 4) Princeton offense With his current assistants recruiting efforts and III's coaching acumen, we are in good shape. Just need to get a couple of more guards.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 13, 2015 4:33:08 GMT -5
Problem of Dog, please tell us who the good coaches are that are clamoring to come to Georgetown? It seems like your viewpoint is based on some or all of these misconceptions: - There's a huge pool of great coaches. The pool of available good quality coaches (meaning, you get to the NCAA tournament more often than not) is actually pretty small. There really aren't many coaches who have achieved even what JT3 has achieved, and of the coaches that have done better, I cannot name one who would be likely to take the job at Georgetown. The most accomplished out there (who would consider the job) might be someone like Howland, and Georgetown would probably never touch him. - JT3 isn't very good. If you don't think JT3 is a good coach, I can see why you might think there are better options there. Again, talk to me when you find a coach who has been to the Final Four, and the NCAA tournament 7 times in 10 years who is willing to come to Georgetown. - Whoever replaces JT3 would do better. The odds actually say this is highly unlikely. As I said, how many coaches have won the Big East Tournament, won the Big East regular season, made a Final Four, and several NCAA appearances? Very few. - A top flight coach would stay at Georgetown. The great thing about JT3 is that he's a very good coach, and there is virtually no chance he will bolt for a "better" gig given his background with the university. Even if we lucked out with a young great coach, the odds he or she would leave are very high. And then you start all over again, like Butler. I don't see what is "pathetic" about recognizing that we have a very good coach who uniquely fits Georgetown better than any other viable option. Not true at all - When was the last time we have employed a coach outside of Thompson family circle? we have not had one single coach in the modern college bball era. What makes you think that no one wants to come to coach at Georgetown? If the head coach position is open here, pretty sure a lot of candidates will flock here. - You want to name all the coaches who have been to Final Four and won their conference? Pretty sure the number is not as small as you think - the number goes beyond your 10 fingers. - You guys assume that whoever replaces JT3 will do poorly. After reaching Final Four 8 years ago, and have been bounced out on the first weekend or not made the tournament since then, is that such a grand milestone that no one ever can reach? you are setting your bar of standard very low then. - If JT3 wins the NCAA tournaments 3 on a row and some NBA team wants him for millions more, there is a strong chance he will bolt for that job. What happens next? Ronnie Thompson gets hired to be the next coach here. I am not discrediting any of the things JT3 has done for the program. Besides on-court success, he represents the university very well. But such notion that no one can do a better job than JT3 needs to stop - it has been close to a decade since we have done better than first weekend of the NCAA tournament. I am pretty sure with most people on this board and at university that just like to kiss his butts for winning during regular seasons and flopping in post-season, his job will be secured as long as he wants. But like some of us here, I want this program to step forward, not stay in this limbo forever. He has finally gotten a decent recruiting class for the first time since the class of monroe, clark - which have been major excuses for JT3 proponents in flopping in the tourney. Let's see what he can work with these classes here.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2015 7:21:54 GMT -5
The title of this thread asked whether his seat "could get warm".
The fact that such a simple question sparked this debate speaks to how secure he is. Whether that level of security is healthy is another issue entirely.
The simple answer would have been of course his seat could get warm. By the way every coach in the world could have his seat get warm. It is more a matter of what will it take to heat it.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 13, 2015 7:27:34 GMT -5
The only way JTIII's seat gets warm is if it's chilly in the Verizon Center and he asks for a self-warming seat.
If there are any incendiary devices in the gym, I'd much rather use them on DSR's three-point shot right now.
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