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Post by AlexanderClaude on Nov 19, 2015 19:51:28 GMT -5
My guess is we're focusing more on 2017. Seems like we have a decent shot with some really good pgs. Is it groundhogs day? Heard this about 2015 and 2016 as well...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 20:02:25 GMT -5
You saw the "clips"... nuff said.... Coaches are lazy definitely not scouring the earth for talent... if you believe that how do you explain Ottos and Gregs lack of HM attention? Otto selected Georgetown over offers from Kansas and a couple other high majors. Greg selected Georgetown over offer from UMd and a couple other high majors. DayDay selected LA Tech (great women's program) It's not about whether I've watched clips or seen him play. It's about high major programs not showing enough interest in signing DayDay. Facts are stubborn things. Ok but at this stage going into their Senior years they had none... so again if aau does not matter and coaches scour the earth leaving no stone unturned how did they miss 2 6"9 kids with nba talent??
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Post by dense on Nov 19, 2015 20:09:43 GMT -5
My guess is we're focusing more on 2017. Seems like we have a decent shot with some really good pgs. Is it groundhogs day? Heard this about 2015 and 2016 as well... errr 2015 class looks pretty good.
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Post by deacon on Nov 19, 2015 20:11:08 GMT -5
Otto selected Georgetown over offers from Kansas and a couple other high majors. Greg selected Georgetown over offer from UMd and a couple other high majors. DayDay selected LA Tech (great women's program) It's not about whether I've watched clips or seen him play. It's about high major programs not showing enough interest in signing DayDay. Facts are stubborn things. Ok but at this stage going into their Senior years they had none... so again if aau does not matter and coaches scour the earth leaving no stone unturned how did they miss 2 6"9 kids with nba talent?? You know why, I know why. If people don't want to hear the truth, let them be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 20:15:12 GMT -5
You're right Deacon I'll shut it....
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Post by AlexanderClaude on Nov 19, 2015 20:42:29 GMT -5
Is it groundhogs day? Heard this about 2015 and 2016 as well... errr 2015 class looks pretty good. The 1 guard we got in that class looks shaky on the ball....
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Post by dense on Nov 20, 2015 0:03:40 GMT -5
errr 2015 class looks pretty good. The 1 guard we got in that class looks shaky on the ball.... Kaleb has a great handle for a 6'7 kid. I'm not worried about him at all.
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Post by dense on Nov 20, 2015 0:05:00 GMT -5
You're right Deacon I'll shut it.... Because we are 0-2 people are just lashing out.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 20, 2015 0:16:08 GMT -5
My guess is we're focusing more on 2017. Seems like we have a decent shot with some really good pgs. Is it groundhogs day? Heard this about 2015 and 2016 as well... What's groundhogs day?
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 20, 2015 12:15:49 GMT -5
I just find it weird that people continue to indirectly bash Jagan (a Hoyas) and pump up this kid when he's not even a Hoyas. I mean how many of you have even welcomed Jagan Mosley in the Jagan Mosley thread? People have no idea how good Jagan is already or how much upside he has especially as a lead guard. This kids potential is thru the roof. A 6'3" highly athletic PG with a 6'9" wingspan who is currently being coached by arguably the best high school coach in the country. Too many people are concerned with the number of stars that's next to his name on these ridiculous ranking sites. Jagan is a much better prospect (college and pro) then Woods (and it's not even close IMO) but most on this boards were so enamored with Woods because of the stars behind his name and a highlight video from 3 years ago when Woods dunked on a 5'10" kid. If you break down their abilities, they are very similar right now. Both have to improve their perimeter shooting to be impactful as freshman and are very good defenders at the high school levels. Woods might have a slight ball handling advantage but Jagan has a significant length advantage (height and wingspan). Jagan has the potential to be really really good. A lot of people compare him to Russel Westbrook because of build and skill set, who coincidentally was a 3 star guard like Mosely and after thought when he committed to UCLA. Back to Bracey, I find it so funny that so many people are disappointed that DayDay committed elsewhere when a couple months ago it seemed like YaBoy and myself were the only ones trying to tell everyone he would be a very good get if he committed to the Hoyas. I read everything on here debating his ability to play for Georgetown like "he is to short, he is not playing against any competition off of the shoes circuit, and he is only a 3 star with very few major offers to be able to help Georgetown". Now I'm reading this ridiculous conversation about the fact that he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech is proof he couldn't play at a high major and we dogged a bullet. First of all I blame Bracey for why he is not a Hoya. I'm pretty sure that if he would have committed back in February or even March, he would be a Hoya now. He decided to announce that he would make his decision in September, a whole 8 months after he was initially offered by JT3 and staff. Ty Frost committed really quickly after getting his offer and he will be a very good Hoya when he gots on campus. I don't want to here the ridiculous comment that he didn't have a commitable offer when he was on campus so often last winter and spring you would have thought he was already enrolled in classes and the coaching staff was checking in on him all spring and summer long. Back to this utterly ridiculous conversation about Bracey not being good enough to play at a high major because he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech. If Bracey wanted to play at a "High Major" he would have committed in the spring signing period instead of the early period. If he had done so, he would have been a heavily sought after commodity in the mold of Devonte Graham at Kansas and countless other players who may get overlooked in the early signing period. I don't blame him for taking the opportunity at La Tech. If you read the tweets from their fan base, they know they got a huge steal whereas this fan base including the write up on casualHoya and a high majority of the comments this board weren't very excited to say the least about his potential commitment. You ask any of these high school prospects what there number one priority is and most of them will tell you it's to be wanted! YaBoy is absolutely right that coaches are extremely lazy in recruiting. They are also afraid to be wrong when it comes to recruiting. If they are wrong to often on recruits, it can cost them their job. I think that was the main reason (outside of Brennan) that JT3 changed the staff a couple years ago. Most of the early early recruiting is done by the assistants and the head coach makes the final decision but in Bracey's case I know JT3 was heavily involved. I was at a game in January between Gilman and St. Francis Academy and JT3 was there in the front row early watching the game and that was after it was publicly known that Bracey had an offer. At the end of the day, Bracey is not a Hoya because he didn't take advantage of the opportunity for whatever reason, and that left the door opened for Mosely who when was offered the opportunity said yes within a couple weeks of the initial offer. I'm with you a 1000% on Jagan Mosely 4ever, the kid has a high upside.. Imo Bracey never had a solid offer from G'town, I think that when he was initially offered he was told something like "work on your game & we'll talk again after the aau season/summer".. To me that's why he set his announcement date so far out.. When you look at who the staff targeted this spring, kids like Cassious Winston, Tony Carr, Temple Gibbs, Jaylen Fisher, Alterique(sp?)Gilbert ect.. That's not even mentioning combo kids like Woods, Brown, Norvell & Jones.. It was obvious they were looking for a lead type player and it was also obvious by the lack of movement in Bracey's recruitment with other schools that he was fixed on G'town.. At the end of the aau season the staff had either missed or were long-shots for most on that list so in late July or early August the staff could have easily put a heavy move on Bracey then to lock him down but they didn't. The staff went after Mosely instead and got him.. About a week after that Bracey announced that he was delaying his commitment date.. We have to assume he spoke with the staff who informed him they were going a different direction.. If they wanted him in Feb or March as you suggest then what would have been different in late July? I feel as though other programs took the loud chatter that Bracey was a lock for G'town as truth so they didn't waste any effort recruiting him.. I also think it was a bad mistake by his advisors to let that happen, they should have been promoting him to other programs so that he could have options.. I didn't think Bracey was ideal for JT3's system but I do believe he's a skilled kid who can play at any college level.. Best of luck to him @ La Tech.. Unless he play G'town of course..
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 20, 2015 12:56:46 GMT -5
Ok but at this stage going into their Senior years they had none... so again if aau does not matter and coaches scour the earth leaving no stone unturned how did they miss 2 6"9 kids with nba talent?? You know why, I know why. If people don't want to hear the truth, let them be. Of course AAU matters, but coaches do scour and they find diamonds in the rough all the time. JTIII and staff are actually pretty good at it (Wallace, Hibbert, etc.). High majors didn't miss 2 6'9" kids in Otto and Greg. In fact, once Greg and Otto were discovered, high major offers came in. Regarding DayDay, he had been discovered by Georgetown outside of the AAU circuit, and in fact the Hoya staff attended many of his games extensively scouting DayDay and others on his team and in his league. St. France Academy has probably been one of the most highly scouted teams in the D.C./Baltimore area for the past several years given the talent level. I'd be surprised if a minimum of 20 different high major teams didn't attend games in which DayDay was playing the past 2 seasons. AAU is important but let's not pretend high major programs don't scout players outside of that system. Otto and Greg played on much lower profile, lower classified teams. St. Frances is a Top 10 state program playing in a beasty, high profile league. This is not about lack of AAU exposure. This is about many High Majors, including Georgetown, Maryland, Villanova, etc. taking a look at the guy and passing. Hence, LA Tech.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 13:37:40 GMT -5
The coaches scoured the earth and the High Majors have spoken.. You're right Ranch.. Cheers
Now let's beat Wisconsin today...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 20, 2015 13:54:28 GMT -5
Cheers to that.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 21, 2016 11:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah...we couldn't use him next year. Let's just hope we have learned from our mistakes and somehow convince Chris Lykes to come aboard. Sorry, I'm feeling real salty about this season so I had to pour some in the open wounds that is this season.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 21, 2016 12:46:43 GMT -5
Yeah...we couldn't use him next year. Let's just hope we have learned from our mistakes and somehow convince Chris Lykes to come aboard. Sorry, I'm feeling real salty about this season so I had to pour some in the open wounds that is this season. If Bracey becomes a classic mid-major star PG, and we continue to struggle with poor PG play - things will get even uglier around here. He really does look like a player, I hope he has a fine career.
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 21, 2016 12:56:45 GMT -5
Lykes is much better.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 21, 2016 13:58:29 GMT -5
No is questioning that. You know I know Lykes is absolutely a beast and much better but as much as I'm championing the cause on this board to get Lykes, we have to hope and pray he comes to Georgetown when Bracey was all but locked up at one point. I hope Bracey has a great college career and we never play against him in his 4 years. I pray we get Lykes! If we get Lykes then not getting Bracey or Woods etc. would be absolutely worth it.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 21, 2016 14:14:58 GMT -5
Lykes is probably better, but by the time Lykes is college ready and productive (my guess is his sophomore year) all our current sophomores will have graduated. Would've been nice to have Daquan immediately.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2016 14:52:35 GMT -5
No is questioning that. You know I know Lykes is absolutely a beast and much better but as much as I'm championing the cause on this board to get Lykes, we have to hope and pray he comes to Georgetown when Bracey was all but locked up at one point. I hope Bracey has a great college career and we never play against him in his 4 years. I pray we get Lykes! If we get Lykes then not getting Bracey or Woods etc. would be absolutely worth it. It has taken a long road and various losses for JT3 to realize that guards under 6' can play HM basketball. Welcome, Lykes!
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 21, 2016 15:57:39 GMT -5
No is questioning that. You know I know Lykes is absolutely a beast and much better but as much as I'm championing the cause on this board to get Lykes, we have to hope and pray he comes to Georgetown when Bracey was all but locked up at one point. I hope Bracey has a great college career and we never play against him in his 4 years. I pray we get Lykes! If we get Lykes then not getting Bracey or Woods etc. would be absolutely worth it. Ok. Understood. We know that the staff cooled on him a little, what we don't know is if Bracey didn't cool on the Hoyas. It is a tough sell to a smaller player who needs the ball in his hands.
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