beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Jun 21, 2017 10:50:03 GMT -5
I have to remind myself that he's a kid, but this kid checks almost every red flag. Questions with talent, attitude, academics, etc. Quit on his high school team mid-year. Who knows why he bailed on TCU, but that's another red flag. He teases with talent but underdelivers with results. Everything you say may be true (I have no clue.) But at this point, with the team and recruiting pretty much in a rock bottom, start-up mode...why not role the dice on someone who could have a great upside, if properly motivated? Again...two years from now..hopefully as a program we wouldn't need to take such chances.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 21, 2017 10:55:25 GMT -5
I agree. The Hoyas need talent at this point. If he passes the background check I assume Coach Ewing will impose- both personal and academic- then sign him up and give him a chance.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 21, 2017 11:11:25 GMT -5
Fits the Georgetown tradition somewhat. Give a guy a second chance aka AI.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 21, 2017 12:06:24 GMT -5
I've heard that his decommitment was related to academic eligibility concerns and that he was considering reclassifying to 2018 to resolve it. I'll trust that the staff thinks they can make him eligible if they want him but at the same time, I don't want to turn into a Greg W scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:11:49 GMT -5
He teases with talent but underdelivers with results. Well then, he should fit right in!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 21, 2017 16:58:11 GMT -5
I've heard that his decommitment was related to academic eligibility concerns and that he was considering reclassifying to 2018 to resolve it. I'll trust that the staff thinks they can make him eligible if they want him but at the same time, I don't want to turn into a Greg W scenario. This is one of those situations where it's really impossible to know the "right" move since we don't know the kid and know a lot less than the staff does. If the staff feels like they can handle Rafus and he's a good kid, they should sign him up. If not, they can move on. The tough thing about guys and "motor" and academics is that it's tough to predict what will happen. Yes, people did question Greg Whittington's motor/academics, but it's notable that he did stay eligible for an entire year before having problems. I don't for one minute doubt his ability, but applying that ability is another story (same thing with Josh Smith). But you also get guys like Mikael Hopkins. People on HoyaTalk said things like, "Hopkins seems disinterested at times while playing in games. If things aren't going well for him, Mikael tends to pout a bit" and things that lead you to think the guy didn't have a high motor, yet at Georgetown while we may have doubted his abilities, I don't think anybody doubted his motor or effort. It's really tough to know how teenage guys (boys) are going to mature, and change as they get into college. Much like non-athletes, some kids really grow up in college and change a lot, and others don't. That's why the staff needs to make the informed decisions and we just speculate behind our keyboards!
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Post by practice on Jun 22, 2017 13:17:10 GMT -5
Assuming he's just a little immature ... give the kid a chance, he's 17 or 18 years old!
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 22, 2017 13:50:43 GMT -5
Assuming he's just a little immature ... give the kid a chance, he's 17 or 18 years old! It asways seemed during his recruitment that he like the Hoyas and wanted to be part of the program but the staff was unsure if he fit what they wanted. At this point the new staff needs to let him know what is expected from him to be part of the program, not only on the court but also off the court and in the classroom, and if he still wants to be part of the program, let's sign him up. This team needs shooters and he sounds like he can shoot the ball!!
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 22, 2017 14:44:33 GMT -5
Maturity is something a good coach can handle. A good coach can make even the most self-obsessed players buy into a collective vision and play for the team rather than themselves. I don't know what the deal with Rafus is as an individual, for all I know he could be the nicest guy since JFK. But I think he will be a good test for Ewing's mettle as a coach.
Also more importantly, how often have we had 6'10 shooters on roster? Those guys don't come a dime a dozen. If he can work on his handle and start driving hard to the basket, there is no limit for this kid. We need bodies, and kids with that kind of ceiling are exactly the type.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 22, 2017 14:44:36 GMT -5
He's bounced around different schools, quit on teams, decommitted, changed his lists so many times. Kept listing Kentucky and Kansas when they weren't interested. None of this makes a kid a bad person. Potentially a bad teammate? Yes. It really is immaturity. I wouldn't want him but since we are starting from ground zero you can't begrudge the staff for pursuing him.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 22, 2017 15:13:52 GMT -5
I am willing to give the kid a shot. I just hope he's not Whittington 2.0. I think Pat will tolerate less crap than JT3.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 22, 2017 17:45:00 GMT -5
It doesn't appear to me that JTIII tolerated much crap.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 22, 2017 19:38:18 GMT -5
It doesn't appear to me that JTIII tolerated much crap. The Josh Smith experience ring a bell? JT3 was soft as Charmin, as were most of his teams.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 22, 2017 19:44:22 GMT -5
It doesn't appear to me that JTIII tolerated much crap. The Josh Smith experience ring a bell? JT3 was soft as Charmin, as were most of his teams. Josh Smith was declared ineligible and Whittington was thrown off the team after being declared ineligible. I'm not sure how that's soft. And in both instances JT3 could've used both players. It's probably safe to say that if either one was playing for Jim Boeheim they'd probably have never been ineligible.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 22, 2017 20:37:08 GMT -5
I don't know if squeaky clean image wins championships.
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Post by justsaying on Jun 22, 2017 21:20:41 GMT -5
I trust coach E's judgement to get the type of players he can work with, mold into winners, and to represent GU and himself. I hope he can get the most talented available and start his pipeline to the pros. We should not make his job more difficult by slamming players he is after for sometimes the rival teams fans whose team is also after some of these same players check opposing sites for negative comments about players and try to relay that information so that players can see that they are being slammed already by fans of a school before they even commit. Let us help coach E and not make him having to work even harder to get commits. Not every young man is going to complete the college team cycle without some issues.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 23, 2017 6:58:45 GMT -5
The Josh Smith experience ring a bell? JT3 was soft as Charmin, as were most of his teams. Josh Smith was declared ineligible and Whittington was thrown off the team after being declared ineligible. I'm not sure how that's soft. And in both instances JT3 could've used both players. It's probably safe to say that if either one was playing for Jim Boeheim they'd probably have never been ineligible. Did JT III have any discretion in terms of what to do with either Whittington or Smith? My understanding is that there was little choice in either case as to what to do given NCAA and Georgetown requirements. Not sure that soft is a word to characterize several of his teams, including those recently led by players like Jabril Trawick. Just did not have enough leaders in my mind and made some very poor decisions in recruiting toward the end. The only word that ever comes to mind when I think of JT III and Josh Smith is "desperate" in that he ignored almost every red flag out there in an effort to revive his failing program. It will always represent to me the beginning of the end of his tenure.
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Jun 23, 2017 8:21:27 GMT -5
You know.......back in March, I developed a theory that Eagle was a second username for an already regular poster. A username specifically developed with the purpose to be a little bit more obnoxious in the charge to remove JTIII. Since the firing, Eagle has vanished as there was never more need for him. I could be wrong about my theory. Personally, I think Eagle is someone who has been posting on this thread......
Mystery on Hoyatalk!
As far as Rafus, let's get him!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 23, 2017 8:40:39 GMT -5
You know.......back in March, I developed a theory that Eagle was a second username for an already regular poster. A username specifically developed with the purpose to be a little bit more obnoxious in the charge to remove JTIII. Since the firing, Eagle has vanished as there was never more need for him. I could be wrong about my theory. Personally, I think Eagle is someone who has been posting on this thread...... Mystery on Hoyatalk! As far as Rafus, let's get him! Hoyaresurrection
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 23, 2017 15:45:28 GMT -5
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