MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 10, 2005 0:16:12 GMT -5
Can't believe that a few years ago a handful of high school bbal experts were actually a little torn over who was the better player at the summer camps: Shavlik Randolph or Amare Stoudamire. Tells you all you need to know about some of these evaluations.
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ShimmyJr
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Post by ShimmyJr on Apr 10, 2005 16:13:01 GMT -5
shavlik randolph is a gaylord...easiest my most hated college bball player...
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Post by RDF on Apr 10, 2005 16:35:55 GMT -5
If you don't like "Shav" and you think JJ Redick is annoying, wait until you see the Lithuanian kid Duke signed for next year--he's beyond obnoxious and if his game was half as good as he thinks it is, he'd be in NBA now. He's got a lot of ability, but he's a guy who will easily join the list of most hated Dookies ever. His haircut alone makes you want to punch him in the mouth!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2005 16:57:18 GMT -5
Randolph better than Amare... wow. As much as I think he's an overrated hack in this world where suddenly everyone with a blog or a web page is a "journalist," Bill Simmons pointed out something VERY interesting during the NCAA's (he's good for a legit point every once in a while): with everyone drooling over Duke's success DESPITE their alleged lack of depth, consider the following: espn.go.com/dickvitale/vcolumn011002ShavlikRandolph-more.html
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 10, 2005 21:22:33 GMT -5
Edited.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2005 21:33:41 GMT -5
Shavlik Randolph is a no-talent [edited - synonym of 'Stiffus Tragicus']. I can't believe you just typed that. I'm currently watching "Office Space." Nice.
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rhman
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Post by rhman on Apr 11, 2005 5:50:00 GMT -5
His haircut alone makes you want to punch him in the mouth! The second coming of Cherokee Parks?? Now THAT was a bad haircut...
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 11, 2005 6:29:04 GMT -5
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 11, 2005 14:59:01 GMT -5
I can't believe you just typed that. I'm currently watching "Office Space." Nice. Haha. I love that film. I still stick by my *EDITED* post. I can't stand that guy. He can't do anything right.
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Post by NickHoya215 on Apr 11, 2005 16:30:32 GMT -5
wasn't this the team that came "out of nowhere" and won the ACC title. It boggles my mind to think that a couple of years ago they were singing high praises and saying thing like this: In fact, recruiting guru Bob Gibbons of High School Basketball Report rates this group the best he has seen in his 28 years of evaluating high school talent. then say things like they came out of nowhere and that this is coach k's best coaching job ever. That article just makes me want to hit Dukie V right in the balls!!!
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 11, 2005 18:39:36 GMT -5
Oh please, playing only 7 players through the ACC (or the Big East for that matter) is rough, no matter who is on the court. And Shav Randolph blows as we all known, so he shouldn't be counted as part of the "greats" they have. Dockery is pretty dicey, too. All it says is that those recruitment guru's don't know anything. You all would hate Pope JP II if it came out he was secret Duke fan ya uber-biased whiners.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 11, 2005 18:56:46 GMT -5
Oh please, playing only 7 players through the ACC (or the Big East for that matter) is rough, no matter who is on the court. Oh, c'mon, III coached a team seven deep with ZERO consensus Top 100 players almost into the NCAA in his 1st year.That's a coaching job. K only uses an 8 man rotation anyway. He had the junior class that was rated #1 when it came in -- over UNC with Felton, May, etc., and over Illinois'. He had them for three years in his system. He recruited poorly/failed to develop them/coached poorly this year. I don't care what you think it is, it is on him. There's no reason the media should be writing collective fawnings over his coaching job this year. this team failed the expectations set back when they were recruited.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2005 23:23:55 GMT -5
I think we need to let go of whatever hate you may want to have for Coach K. As many have pointed out, Rankings can be way off base. Shavlik better than Amare!??! I think Coach K and JTIII were equal in having the best coaching jobs this year. They both got the most out of their talent this year with teams that weren't deep in major conferences. While Duke did have talent, they weren't as talented as some may like to profess, particularly within their own conference. And while GU was undermanned, our team wasn't exactly a bunch of stiffs, we do have talent.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 12, 2005 1:38:12 GMT -5
Coach K is a tremendous coach, and aside from him being a bit sappy and a bit disingenuous about his ethics, I have no problem with the guy.
This was not a particularly good coaching job. If the class wasn't so good, then he did a crappy job evaluating the players. If the class was that good, he didn't do a good job developing them/coaching them.
The results this year were nothing like Duke expects, and his team was as veteran as any team can expect in the upper echelon of college basketball.
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Post by ptldhoya on Apr 12, 2005 2:44:20 GMT -5
I've got an unrelated Duke question...Has anyone noticed how Williams sets his screens by kind of squatting and spreadding his knees way out to get wider? I always thought that your knees couldn't be wider than your shoulders to legally set a pick...What's up with that and why don't we ever see it called? (Sorry for the random aggravation)
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 12, 2005 7:13:56 GMT -5
I think so few guys actually bother to set picks these days that when they do it, it just confuses the refs! ;D
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 12, 2005 8:18:56 GMT -5
Coach K is a tremendous coach, and aside from him being a bit sappy and a bit disingenuous about his ethics, I have no problem with the guy. This was not a particularly good coaching job. If the class wasn't so good, then he did a crappy job evaluating the players. If the class was that good, he didn't do a good job developing them/coaching them. The results this year were nothing like Duke expects, and his team was as veteran as any team can expect in the upper echelon of college basketball. I don't understand your logic. How was this not a good coaching job. The team made it to the sweet sixteen. People thought Duke was going to struggle this year. Nobody expected a sweet sixteen nor an ACC title victory. Yes Duke is a perrenial power, but this was a down year for them. You say if the class is good, he did a poor job developing players? How much has Shelden Williams developed? A lot. He has developed a low-post game and learned to play smarter without fouling as much. How much has Ewing developed. He went from playing small forward to point guard his senior year. And did a good job of it. How is that not development? J.J. Redick lost weight and improved his quickness in getting open for shots this past year. How is that not development? Sean Dockery went from a sparingly used guard to playing well at times during the year. So to say Coach K did a poor coaching job or his players aren't developed is not true. I mean I"m not a Coach K fan and Duke is not my favorite team. But lets call a spade a spade here. He did a great coaching job this year. Outside of JTIII,, I don't know if any other coach in the country got the most out of their talent this year through an entire season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2005 8:32:12 GMT -5
I don't understand your logic. How was this not a good coaching job. The team made it to the sweet sixteen. People thought Duke was going to struggle this year. Nobody expected a sweet sixteen nor an ACC title victory. Yes Duke is a perrenial power, but this was a down year for them. You say if the class is good, he did a poor job developing players? How much has Shelden Williams developed? A lot. He has developed a low-post game and learned to play smarter without fouling as much. How much has Ewing developed. He went from playing small forward to point guard his senior year. And did a good job of it. How is that not development? J.J. Redick lost weight and improved his quickness in getting open for shots this past year. How is that not development? Sean Dockery went from a sparingly used guard to playing well at times during the year. So to say Coach K did a poor coaching job or his players aren't developed is not true. I mean I"m not a Coach K fan and Duke is not my favorite team. But lets call a spade a spade here. He did a great coaching job this year. Outside of JTIII,, I don't know if any other coach in the country got the most out of their talent this year through an entire season. I'm ALMOST with you, _way (did I just write that?!). I think he did a GOOD job of coaching this season - but not the FANTASTIC job the talking heads would have you believe. This class was heralded as the best in the land when they came in (see the link I posted above), and they played to their potential, which obviously wasn't as high as people thought it would be. To that I say good job, Coach ShaChefsKey. Anything above that would be disingenuous.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 12, 2005 8:40:57 GMT -5
so Coach K either did a good job coaching and a bad job recruiting or a bad job coaching and a good job recruiting.
He did a good job on the bench if he got the most out of his players. In order for what he accomplished with this team to be the best he could do, that recruiting class must have been overrated, which means he did a bad job recruiting, as he ended up w/ a bunch of good but not great players in the last couple of classes, when he could have gotten studs (remember, it's Duke, they can basically pick who they want).
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That recruiting class wasn't overrated, but was in fact accurately scouted and all the players had the potential the gurus thought they did. In which case Coach K did a fantastic job recruiting and an average at best coaching job, b/c the way that class was hyped, they should have been able to win it all.
I don't really know which it was. Either way Coach K did a poor job, which is cool by me.
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 12, 2005 8:43:47 GMT -5
There was a wild rumor about his seeking to transfer (yeah, right ... just before his senior year?) ... but it was making the rounds last week. After nuking a bunch of threads about it, DevilsDen just finally decided to let one thread stand but did a lockdown. mb4.scout.com/fdevilsdenfrm1.showMessage?topicID=8774.topic
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