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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 13, 2015 15:27:07 GMT -5
I keep finding myself comparing Ike to Jeff and figuring out who looked better their freshman year. Then I realized that maybe Ike is actually more like Summers, with more of a perimeter/slashing game, than Jeff who could post up better and maybe pass better. Ike's actually more of the Summers we all wished Summers would be with the ability to rebound. Anyone else care to weigh in? Ike needs to miss more dunks.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2015 15:48:12 GMT -5
I keep finding myself comparing Ike to Jeff and figuring out who looked better their freshman year. Then I realized that maybe Ike is actually more like Summers, with more of a perimeter/slashing game, than Jeff who could post up better and maybe pass better. Ike's actually more of the Summers we all wished Summers would be with the ability to rebound. Anyone else care to weigh in? Nothing like Summers. Poor kid got to GU saying he was no Jeff Green. Ike is a lot more active and isn't afraid to mix it up inside. I'm going to play and say more like Otto Porter.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2015 15:49:01 GMT -5
I have thought about it too. I think Ike is more like Green, just not quite as strong at this point..so harder for him to play down low. Summers, (although not an all time Hoya great), was better than many on this Board acknowledge. But he was primarily a three point shooter and dunker, with great hops, of course. Ike can shoot the three, has the midrange game Summers did not, goes inside on occasion, and looks to be a more interested passer, to say the least. He seems to have Jeff's athleticism, as well. Main difference to me is that Jeff played a lot of 5 as a freshman (according to my old brain)...Ike isn't quite strong enough. yet My two cents.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2015 16:23:53 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken Ike is taller than Jeff. Don't even think of comparing him to Summers. That bar is way too low. By this time next year I think we will be comparing him to Otto and by his Junior year (if he stays) we will be comparing him to Kevin Durant.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 13, 2015 16:30:13 GMT -5
I have thought about it too. I think Ike is more like Green, just not quite as strong at this point..so harder for him to play down low. Summers, (although not an all time Hoya great), was better than many on this Board acknowledge. But he was primarily a three point shooter and dunker, with great hops, of course. Ike can shoot the three, has the midrange game Summers did not, goes inside on occasion, and looks to be a more interested passer, to say the least. He seems to have Jeff's athleticism, as well. Main difference to me is that Jeff played a lot of 5 as a freshman (according to my old brain)...Ike isn't quite strong enough. yet My two cents. Summers could jump high but wasn't very explosive or quick so basically needed a wide open lane and runway to dunk from the baseline. Issac appears to have quick twitch explosiveness plus vertical leap. His 2nd and 3rd jump are very fast.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 13, 2015 16:31:15 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken Ike is taller than Jeff. Don't even think of comparing him to Summers. That bar is way too low. By this time next year I think we will be comparing him to Otto and by his Junior year (if he stays) we will be comparing him to Kevin Durant. Ike looks alittle taller than at the beginning of the season. It's possible he's grown a little like Sam Dekker.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 13, 2015 16:37:23 GMT -5
I have thought about it too. I think Ike is more like Green, just not quite as strong at this point..so harder for him to play down low. Summers, (although not an all time Hoya great), was better than many on this Board acknowledge. But he was primarily a three point shooter and dunker, with great hops, of course. Ike can shoot the three, has the midrange game Summers did not, goes inside on occasion, and looks to be a more interested passer, to say the least. He seems to have Jeff's athleticism, as well. Main difference to me is that Jeff played a lot of 5 as a freshman (according to my old brain)...Ike isn't quite strong enough. yet My two cents. Summers could jump high but wasn't very explosive or quick so basically needed a wide open lane and runway to dunk from the baseline. Issac appears to have quick twitch explosiveness plus vertical leap. His 2nd and 3rd jump are very fast. This! Ike can get put back dunks, summers couldn't. Different type of athleticism. Isaac may already be more polished than summers was as a junior. With regard to Jeff, jeff at this point was ahead of where cope is. He played more of a true 4 where as Isaac seems more comfortable at the 3. Jeff was also far more consistent and was co-rookie of the year in a much more stacked BE.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 13, 2015 16:42:18 GMT -5
Jeff is taller than Issac by an inch or two.
I don't remember Jeff shooting as many jumpers as a freshman. His game was focused down low to start, and then he worked in an outside game/drives from the top of key over the next 2 years.
I think Copeland has the best looking jumper of the players mentioned above. We haven't had too many skilled big men as freshman show that he can come hard off a screen, set his feet, jump straight up with good vertical, and knock down deep jumpers with a good percentage.
Copeland is showing some rare ability.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2015 16:56:00 GMT -5
I keep finding myself comparing Ike to Jeff and figuring out who looked better their freshman year. Then I realized that maybe Ike is actually more like Summers, with more of a perimeter/slashing game, than Jeff who could post up better and maybe pass better. Ike's actually more of the Summers we all wished Summers would be with the ability to rebound. Anyone else care to weigh in? I think of Ike as Durant-lite. Skinny, lanky, great jump shot, a bit fan of the long 2, rebounds very well for a skinny dude, developing dribble game. Durant was obviously better in his one year at Texas, but Jeff as a freshman basically played center and Summers basically just chucked threes on offense (in his defense, he was the fifth option on that team).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2015 17:07:52 GMT -5
Bill Martin.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2015 17:40:40 GMT -5
Ike is a couple inches taller than Billy Martin, and I think more of an all around player...but still a lot of similarities..good one! Think/hope Ike has more upside/
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Post by Buckets on Feb 13, 2015 17:50:02 GMT -5
Thoughts in no particular order: -I was trying to think of the best comparison, I think it's a poor man's Harrison Barnes with a dash of Jeff Green -Freshman Copeland is giving like 20-30 pounds to freshmen Green and Summers -Copeland measured in at 6'9.5" in shoes two summers ago around the time he turned 18, same as Jeff at the NBA combine, Copeland is at least as tall if not taller -I think assuming the Copeland is going to be here in 2016-17 is optimistic, I think it's far more likely he's getting paid to play by then -DaJuan Summers GU career is criminally underrated
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2015 17:55:03 GMT -5
Isaac Copeland is going to be a better player than Harrison Barnes.
Summers would be remembered a lot more fondly if it didn't seem like he quit in his junior year.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 13, 2015 19:58:38 GMT -5
Martin did love that 15 footer from the baseline. Other than that....don't see a big similarity. I became a fan in '83, so I have no idea what Martins game was like as a freshman or sophomore.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2015 21:14:04 GMT -5
Martin did love that 15 footer from the baseline. Other than that....don't see a big similarity. I became a fan in '83, so I have no idea what Martins game was like as a freshman or sophomore. Baseline and foul line jumpers; he could get to the rim on occasion, but was not yet strong enough to do it too often. Was a decent rebounder, although with Patrick there was not a lot of need. Was also an athletic but sporadic defender. Those were the things that reminded me of Ike.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 13, 2015 21:43:02 GMT -5
Isaac Copeland is going to be a better player than Harrison Barnes. Summers would be remembered a lot more fondly if it didn't seem like he quit in his junior year. I remember him fondly but I also remember how infuriating I found it that he usually had no interest in rebounding and loved taking 3's when it wasn't the best shot available to him. Cope is taller than Jeff. But the player comparisons to other recent Hoyas is difficult. He's got a little of a few guys. I like the Durant type comparison more than most other both in terms of his raw skills and build. Isaac is going to struggle to gain a lot of muscle. But that's not the worst thing because of the things he can do. That said, his stroke looks better than it did early on and, as someone mentioned, the arc is much better. He looks like he'll be a really good FT shooter and he's got a really quick trigger and the height and lift and high release to get it off against almost anyone. He rebounds well for his slight stature and, as another poster mentioned, gets off the floor multiple times in a hurry. It's obvious that he's spent a lot of time in the gym not just on his game but on his body too. He's got a lot of potential and I look forward to the posts about all of it over the next year or two just to see where he started and where he ends up. Isaac is a guy that is really easy to get excited about seeing what he'll be able to do.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 13, 2015 22:31:49 GMT -5
What I like about the young man is his offensive rebounding. Earlier in the year he was flying in and getting a hand on the ball, but not able to secure the rebound. Now he is getting both hands on that same rebound and securing it. What amazes me is why more Hoya big men don't do the same. Other than Otto Porter in recent years you seldom see a Hoya big man flying in for a follow up dunk or put back. I am not talking about a rebound wher Hoya big was standing underneath the basket on the side ball bounced to, but that rebound that is in the middle or on the other side. Porter had that nose for the ball, and this young man seems to have it too. He and Agau next year should be fun to watch on the boards. Now if we can just get White back to the aggressive player he was in the beginning of the year. For some reason he is now playing way too tentative on offense and defense. It is amazing how the two players have flip flopped. Campbell was the tentative one and White the aggressive one earlier.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 14, 2015 0:27:59 GMT -5
What I like about the young man is his offensive rebounding. Earlier in the year he was flying in and getting a hand on the ball, but not able to secure the rebound. Now he is getting both hands on that same rebound and securing it. What amazes me is why more Hoya big men don't do the same. Other than Otto Porter in recent years you seldom see a Hoya big man flying in for a follow up dunk or put back. I am not talking about a rebound wher Hoya big was standing underneath the basket on the side ball bounced to, but that rebound that is in the middle or on the other side. Porter had that nose for the ball, and this young man seems to have it too. He and Agau next year should be fun to watch on the boards. Now if we can just get White back to the aggressive player he was in the beginning of the year. For some reason he is now playing way too tentative on offense and defense. It is amazing how the two players have flip flopped. Campbell was the tentative one and White the aggressive one earlier. I agree on Isaac reading where the bounce is going to go. A lot of the time, Hop is too far under the rim and pushing back or too late finding a man to pin and pushing in to see where the shot came from and where it's going to be. Josh is usually right under the rim and getting grabbed and pushed and also doesn't watch the shots. He sees them go up and turns to rebound but doesn't know where it's going until he sees it over his shoulder. Isaac is usually away from the rim and sees the shot go up and, because of that, knows if it's short or long, left or right. He finds an opening near the basket when everyone is already turned and looking for a rebound and he's very good at avoiding a box out. That's very important for this team because we, at times, take and miss a bunch of threes which lead to longer/stranger rebounds that the guys under the basket won't ever have a chance at. Rebounding wings and guards lead to instant offense if we're shooting from distance. It's part of why White and Cope can be such difference makers and why DSR's ability to rebound as a guard is so important.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 14, 2015 0:38:28 GMT -5
Jeff is taller than Issac by an inch or two. I don't remember Jeff shooting as many jumpers as a freshman. His game was focused down low to start, and then he worked in an outside game/drives from the top of key over the next 2 years. I think Copeland has the best looking jumper of the players mentioned above. We haven't had too many skilled big men as freshman show that he can come hard off a screen, set his feet, jump straight up with good vertical, and knock down deep jumpers with a good percentage. Copeland is showing some rare ability. Jeff is not taller, especially not by an inch or two.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Feb 14, 2015 9:49:43 GMT -5
Let's cool it on the Durant talk. It is completely unrealistic and unfair to compare any NCAA freshman to an NBA MVP and one of the best scorers of this generation.
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