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Post by calhoya on Nov 28, 2014 21:26:43 GMT -5
The loss won't hurt us come tourney time. We have two more cracks at Butler and there's more non-con chances ahead. This loss is more disturbing as a bellweather. Our bad teams are never awful under III. Even when we miss the tourney we have big wins. It's the extra losses that kill us. If this team can't consistently bring it like they did against Wisconsin, it's not going to be a big year. This game is one data point, but it isn't in the right direction. Completely agree with this. This loss cannot be sugarcoated. Butler is obviously better than expected and they caught lightning in a bottle to beat UNC. However, today had less to do with how they played than how the Hoyas played. Pick your player, other than Copeland and possibly White, and no one played well. Forget the good loss mindset, what is more troublesome is the effort to redefine the opponent. Watched Butler play yesterday and they should not be within 10 points of the Hoyas. I hope it will be a learning experience, but there are some major issues to be addressed, including our foul prone posts, our poor outside shooting and FT shooting and the inexplicable turnovers. Several of these issues were evident during the opening three games.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 28, 2014 21:44:24 GMT -5
The loss won't hurt us come tourney time. We have two more cracks at Butler and there's more non-con chances ahead. This loss is more disturbing as a bellweather. Our bad teams are never awful under III. Even when we miss the tourney we have big wins. It's the extra losses that kill us. If this team can't consistently bring it like they did against Wisconsin, it's not going to be a big year. This game is one data point, but it isn't in the right direction. Completely agree with this. This loss cannot be sugarcoated. Butler is obviously better than expected and they caught lightning in a bottle to beat UNC. However, today had less to do with how they played than how the Hoyas played. Pick your player, other than Copeland and possibly White, and no one played well. Forget the good loss mindset, what is more troublesome is the effort to redefine the opponent. Watched Butler play yesterday and they should not be within 10 points of the Hoyas. I hope it will be a learning experience, but there are some major issues to be addressed, including our foul prone posts, our poor outside shooting and FT shooting and the inexplicable turnovers. Several of these issues were evident during the opening three games. Based on what are we, RIGHT NOW, 10 points better than Butler? I thought they looked like the better team all game and their best as looked better than our best. I think we have more potential, but right now they are better. Free throws and turnovers I will give you, but our shooting has been pretty good the last two games. Over 50% from three for both games and over 50% from the floor. Besides the turnovers and free throws, our offense has looked pretty efficient. I personally think people are being a bit to hard on the team. Outside a five minute stretch in the first half, I thought as a group they played pretty well. Not perfect or out of the world or to their ceiling, but not bad as a group either. They just lost to a better team that was more familiar of them than they were of Butler. Oh well, lots of time to improve and two more chances at them. Really what III needs to do is work on pushing it more against high major competition. There are opportunities there that they have been missing for silly reasons like catching an outlet pass the wrong way. Against the Butlers and Wisconsins of the world we need to make a more concerted effort to speed them up. I believe it is III's intention this year, they just need to get better at it.
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Post by guru on Nov 28, 2014 22:09:07 GMT -5
With the caveat that I did not see today's game, I don't think this is a terrible loss, or even a bad one. Butler beat a very solid UNC team, and even if they turn out to not be very good, we have at least 2 more shots to avenge this one. Hate leaving the tourney with two losses, but I absolutely love what I've seen from this team so far. I think this is the best we've been since 2010 (a team that I think had Final Four potential) and will be really good this year. Consistency may not set in until late in the season, but when it does look out!
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Post by bmartin on Nov 28, 2014 22:54:05 GMT -5
The key to the season is improving defense, rebounding, and reducing our fouls and turnovers. We did all those well to come back from down 13 but then it seemed that every time we tied or took the lead, Butler scored on two or three straight possessions. After we went ahead 52-50 with 5:48 to play, we gave up a 7-0 run in the next three possessions and had to chase the rest of the game.
We have offensive talent, but we can't count on outshooting teams. All three games in the Bahamas came down to key possessions in the last five minutes. Against Wisconsin and Butler when we needed stops we could not get them.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2014 23:10:18 GMT -5
The key to the season is improving defense, rebounding, and reducing our fouls and turnovers. And hitting FTs, esp. front ends of one-&-ones.
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Post by 3xhoya on Nov 29, 2014 1:48:09 GMT -5
I'm watching the game now, there are about 10 minutes left. I know what the outcome will be (usually I don't check but I gave in today, probably better for my sanity). There are a few takeaways from this game:
The positives are the freshman. Paul White once again had a great game. His midrange game is nice to watch, he has a very soft touch. He also handles the ball well for a freshman. Also, Isaac Copeland having a breakout game. I really liked his energy, he just hit what I believe is his second three and he is emotionally involved and fired up. Both Copeland and White have also played D fairly well from what I could tell.
The negatives: most of the upper classmen (this is too big of a generalization I know). Too many mental lapses, such as getting beat down the floor for consecutive layups just because we were lazy. Unforced TO's. FT"s. The FT thing is surprising to me. One of the leaders of this team is an excellent FT shooter and wakes up at 6 AM to shoot FT's. He needs to get his teammates to join him in this.
In-between: JT3 Love he switched the starting lineup at the half (DSR, Bowen, White, Cope, Hops). Called a quick time out after lazy transition D and showed emotion, hopefully no kids were lip reading at that time. The indifferent part is that he needs to get on these refs more. Should have gone for a technical today. Josh got called for a foul where he was standing still and the offensive player drove into his chest twice and bounced off a little abd Josh got called for the foul. Even Bilas thought it was a joke, said something to the effect "what is he just supposed to sit down?"
Hopefully this was a learning experience, typical Big East game. This team needs to bounce back for the next couple then take down Kansas at home.
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Post by NCHoya on Nov 29, 2014 9:34:36 GMT -5
The loss won't hurt us come tourney time. We have two more cracks at Butler and there's more non-con chances ahead. This loss is more disturbing as a bellweather. Our bad teams are never awful under III. Even when we miss the tourney we have big wins. It's the extra losses that kill us. If this team can't consistently bring it like they did against Wisconsin, it's not going to be a big year. This game is one data point, but it isn't in the right direction. Completely agree with this. This loss cannot be sugarcoated. Butler is obviously better than expected and they caught lightning in a bottle to beat UNC. However, today had less to do with how they played than how the Hoyas played. Pick your player, other than Copeland and possibly White, and no one played well. Forget the good loss mindset, what is more troublesome is the effort to redefine the opponent. Watched Butler play yesterday and they should not be within 10 points of the Hoyas. I hope it will be a learning experience, but there are some major issues to be addressed, including our foul prone posts, our poor outside shooting and FT shooting and the inexplicable turnovers. Several of these issues were evident during the opening three games. Everyone is excited by the possibility of what the freshman can bring, but we are not balancing it with the reality of where we are in the season. These guys are playing their 6th college game, and we "expect" them to beat one of the toughest teams they will face and be consistent from game to game? You can talk about how untalented Butler is and how they do not have the same caliber of athletes or skill players, but the fact is Butler has been extremely successful playing the "Butler Way". Sounds corny, but it is proven to work and these freshman, Trawick, Bowen, Smith are all susceptible to getting sucked in. They play right up in your face, exhaust you and frustrate. Butler's goal is to make it a fist fight rather than a basketball game. Bilas alluded to this on the broadcast, it is like being in the dentist office for 2 hours. We did not handle it well in the first half. I am much more willing to judge this team in another 4 weeks. IMO, they are not close to what they will be in 2 months. I do not think we are used to this as a fan base. We usually have success early and other teams catch-up, I am not so sure that is the way it will be this season.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 29, 2014 10:01:04 GMT -5
It's very hard to say that Brandon Miller let Butler down when he left, as he left due to medical issues over which he likely had no control. He has taken a twelve-week leave of absence under the Federal Family and Medical Leave Act, and although no one has commented publicly on why, other coaches against whom he was recruiting opined that he had become very withdrawn, and that no one has heard from him since the leave of absence started. The leave of absence will run through the end of December, and it appears unlikely (at least according to media reports in Indianapolis) that he will return when the twelve weeks have passed. It is anticipated that Chris Holtmann will stay as coach, have the interim tag removed, and the Bulldogs will move forward. In almost every other case of a coach leaving on medical absence the coach usually explains why he is going on leave. (such as when Patino had prostate cancer). But Brandon Miller left under mysterious circumstances and the fans, boosters and potential recruits have no idea why or when or if he is coming back. He should have explained why he was taking the absence or quit which would have allowed the Butler players to move on and Butler to get a good recruiting class instead of basically costing them this year's recruiting class. And it's been going on since early summer so it's not just 12 weeks which seems a little more palpable than over 6 months. At the same time he has a right to privacy and can excercise that right any which way he sees fit. This is America after all.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 29, 2014 10:03:19 GMT -5
In almost every other case of a coach leaving on medical absence the coach usually explains why he is going on leave. (such as when Patino had prostate cancer). But Brandon Miller left under mysterious circumstances and the fans, boosters and potential recruits have no idea why or when or if he is coming back. He should have explained why he was taking the absence or quit which would have allowed the Butler players to move on and Butler to get a good recruiting class instead of basically costing them this year's recruiting class. And it's been going on since early summer so it's not just 12 weeks which seems a little more palpable than over 6 months. With all due respect, professorhoya, you could not be more wrong. There have been implications that there are mental health issues involved here for Brandon Miller. You expect him, under those circumstances, to come forward and tell every one that he is stepping down due to those specific issues? Whose business is it anyway? Isn't his health more important than whether his stepping down adversely impacts recruiting? The school cannot disclose the reasons for the leave of absence without violating federal HIPAA laws. I only hope that you and your family would not have to confront those types of issues and then have to publicly announce why you, or a family member, are taking a leave of absence. Life, believe it or not, is more than basketball. Hopefully Miller can return in some capacity somewhere, and resume his career without the shadow of the reasons why he had to step down as head coach on a temporary basis. Took the words out of my mouth. This is an amateur sport, not the NBA. It's designed to protect its members, and for good reason.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 29, 2014 10:07:33 GMT -5
The people that need to know most likely do - administration, the program, maybe even recruits to some extent. Boosters and other fans have no need to know, nor any right to know. Obviously it is a matter that justifies the discretion, or I am sure more would be revealed.
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Post by Talos on Nov 29, 2014 11:07:54 GMT -5
I know a lot of posters don't like Bilas, but I thought he made a lot of good points the last few days and showed the Hoyas some love. I think he was right in pointing out we're a pretty good team now but will be much better in March with the development of the freshmen and being able to blend in with the upperclassmen. He was also spot on in his praise of White's versatility and skill. As others have said, he was exactly right in pointing out the refs have no idea how to officiate Smith either on defense or offense. And besides the occasional fat joke, he continually praised Smith's skill, hands, footwork, and passing ability.
As for the officials, not just in this game but all three games, I can't remember more perplexing and inconsistent calls. Calling fouls on one end for barely breathing on someone but no calls when a player gets absolutely mauled under the basket. Plus, they were consistently terrible in all three games on out of bounds calls. That being said, we still easily win this game without the ugly turnovers, missed FTs, missed layups, and failures to get back on defense.
Moving forward, I absolutely loved the play of White and Copeland. I think Isaac showed everyone why he was a top 20 recruit. But we really need to work on the free throws and unforced turnovers; we just can't turn the ball over so easily when we're not even being pressured. If we don't fix those two areas, we're going to have a hard time putting teams away and will possibly lose a lot of close games.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 29, 2014 11:22:19 GMT -5
Let me start out b saying Butler is a well coached team that plays for 40 minutes the a "Butler way". No matter how the refs are calling the game, they play the same way because they to a man know they have to play that way in order to have a shot at winning. The difference in whether they are getting blown out by an Oklahoma team or beating a UNC and Georgetown team is how the refs will let the game be played. If the refs allow them to play the "Butler way" throughout the game then they can be tough to beat because they execute their sets very well and they seem to get the max out of their players ability. Now what is the "Butler way"? On defense they are a smaller Villanova . They get right in the players chest and literally hold him(arm check) when the offensive player tries to make a move around him. Now if the offensive player manages to get by him a Butler teammate will rotate to take the charge and the offensive player with the ball cannot dump the ball off to his teammate the rotating defensive player just left because the offensive teammate is being held by a Butler defensive player. The holding for the most part is not grabbing but using the (illegal arm bar) or shoulder ram to prevent a player from moving to a spot. As I said these techniques are taught and to a man they adhere to them for forty minutes, no matter how game is being called. Now this is physical ball and that is nothing new to the Big East. In the past if refs were allowing a physical game the teams could adjust and play accordingly and if they were not the players could likewise adjust. What is new is when Butler is allowed to play the physical "Butler way", but the opposing team is not allowed to play physical. When the opposing offensive player uses his arm to brush away the Butler players illegal arm bar, that is whistled as an offensive foul, or when on defense when the player tries to use similar illegal arm bar against Butler player that is called a defensive foul. Players adjust as the game goes on if the refs are consistent with their calls, but if they are not and the fouls are just being called one way then they become tentative both on offense and defense. It's a high poker game bluff by the Butler coaches . They say to the opposing coach "we are going to keep playing this way no matter how refs are calling the game" now the opposing coach has to decide does he want some of his star players to get in foul trouble by playing physical or does instruct them to play normal. The Butler coaches and players are betting that the refs like in most Villanova games make the decision to not call a foul on every play on Villanova player in order to get the game played in less than 5 hours, and will not call the obvious Butler fouls because they are playing the "Butler way" but do call the fouls on the opposing team because they can play normal basketball. Commentators like Bilas calls it ugly basketball. We have in the last few years watched some ugly basketball when each team could not hit the side of a barn, but this is not just ugly basketball it is a team be allowed to subvert the rules to their advantage play recreation basketball defense and the other team not being allowed to do the same and get away with it.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 29, 2014 11:29:00 GMT -5
Missed FTs: the freshmen went 2-2 and DSR went 4-4; the rest of the upperclassmen shot 4 of 13. It's inexcusable and a huge weakness. These guys need to wake up early and go shoot with DSR.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 29, 2014 12:07:34 GMT -5
In almost every other case of a coach leaving on medical absence the coach usually explains why he is going on leave. (such as when Patino had prostate cancer). But Brandon Miller left under mysterious circumstances and the fans, boosters and potential recruits have no idea why or when or if he is coming back. He should have explained why he was taking the absence or quit which would have allowed the Butler players to move on and Butler to get a good recruiting class instead of basically costing them this year's recruiting class. And it's been going on since early summer so it's not just 12 weeks which seems a little more palpable than over 6 months. With all due respect, professorhoya, you could not be more wrong. There have been implications that there are mental health issues involved here for Brandon Miller. You expect him, under those circumstances, to come forward and tell every one that he is stepping down due to those specific issues? Whose business is it anyway? Isn't his health more important than whether his stepping down adversely impacts recruiting? The school cannot disclose the reasons for the leave of absence without violating federal HIPAA laws. I only hope that you and your family would not have to confront those types of issues and then have to publicly announce why you, or a family member, are taking a leave of absence. Life, believe it or not, is more than basketball. Hopefully Miller can return in some capacity somewhere, and resume his career without the shadow of the reasons why he had to step down as head coach on a temporary basis. I respectfully disagree. By not saying anything, he's left an air of mystery and people jump to all sorts of conclusions. You yourself have concluded that he has some sort of mental health issue based simply off rumor and in no basis of fact I assume. He has every right not to disclose but that's not going to prevent people from making these judgements based off these rumors. If anything I think most people would be sympathetic to him if he announced that he had some physical or mental health issue. That is what Pat Summitt did with her Alzheimer's. Chuck Pagano disclosed his Leukemiea and the team and fans used it as a rallying point. And when Urban Meyer took a leave of absence he explained that it was because of stress related mental and physical health issues without going into the exact details. Miller is in a high profile public position that entails alot of responsibility to alot of people. By not saying anything, he leaves the school, the assistant coaches, the fans, the boosters, the players and the recruits in limbo. Now he has every right to do that as he has chosen to do but that hasn't stopped people from jumping to conclusions and saying and spreading the rumor that he has some kind of mental health issue. I just don't see how that helps him in the long run by being diagnosed in the court of public opinion instead of addressing the issue as we have seen other coaches do many times.
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 29, 2014 12:36:13 GMT -5
Well, professorhoya, you and I are going to agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by vv83 on Nov 29, 2014 12:54:47 GMT -5
Let me start out b saying Butler is a well coached team that plays for 40 minutes the a "Butler way". No matter how the refs are calling the game, they play the same way because they to a man know they have to play that way in order to have a shot at winning. The difference in whether they are getting blown out by an Oklahoma team or beating a UNC and Georgetown team is how the refs will let the game be played. If the refs allow them to play the "Butler way" throughout the game then they can be tough to beat because they execute their sets very well and they seem to get the max out of their players ability. Now what is the "Butler way"? On defense they are a smaller Villanova . They get right in the players chest and literally hold him(arm check) when the offensive player tries to make a move around him. Now if the offensive player manages to get by him a Butler teammate will rotate to take the charge and the offensive player with the ball cannot dump the ball off to his teammate the rotating defensive player just left because the offensive teammate is being held by a Butler defensive player. The holding for the most part is not grabbing but using the (illegal arm bar) or shoulder ram to prevent a player from moving to a spot. As I said these techniques are taught and to a man they adhere to them for forty minutes, no matter how game is being called. Now this is physical ball and that is nothing new to the Big East. In the past if refs were allowing a physical game the teams could adjust and play accordingly and if they were not the players could likewise adjust. What is new is when Butler is allowed to play the physical "Butler way", but the opposing team is not allowed to play physical. When the opposing offensive player uses his arm to brush away the Butler players illegal arm bar, that is whistled as an offensive foul, or when on defense when the player tries to use similar illegal arm bar against Butler player that is called a defensive foul. Players adjust as the game goes on if the refs are consistent with their calls, but if they are not and the fouls are just being called one way then they become tentative both on offense and defense. It's a high poker game bluff by the Butler coaches . They say to the opposing coach "we are going to keep playing this way no matter how refs are calling the game" now the opposing coach has to decide does he want some of his star players to get in foul trouble by playing physical or does instruct them to play normal. The Butler coaches and players are betting that the refs like in most Villanova games make the decision to not call a foul on every play on Villanova player in order to get the game played in less than 5 hours, and will not call the obvious Butler fouls because they are playing the "Butler way" but do call the fouls on the opposing team because they can play normal basketball. Commentators like Bilas calls it ugly basketball. We have in the last few years watched some ugly basketball when each team could not hit the side of a barn, but this is not just ugly basketball it is a team be allowed to subvert the rules to their advantage play recreation basketball defense and the other team not being allowed to do the same and get away with it. Amen! This post perfectly articulates how I have felt about Butler going back to their Final 4 seasons. I respect their program's ability to figure out how to compete with more talented teams, how to take advantage of being perceived as the underdog, and to coach/execute this style. But the "Butler Way" really is a blight on college basketball from an aesthetic and competitive perspective. The personification of this style of play for me was Matt Howard. when he played for those Butler final 4 teams - every time he got the ball in the post - if he did not score, he threw his arms up and flopped to the ground, often drawing a phantom foul. The worst part is that the media won't call Butler on this, because the scrappy underdog makes a better story than "the team that is really good at trying to ugly up the game to even the odds". If any media member ever calls out butler for what they are really doing, that person will immediately become my favorite writer/broadcaster. And while I am on a roll - when is the media going to recognize that Kellen Dunham is not a particularly good shooter? He just fires up a lot of shots, and eventually some of them start to go in. Almost any decent team in the nation has a guy who would score as much off their jumpshot as Dunham if they were free to take that many contested shots. That being said - Butler knows how to execute their plan, and they beat us yesterday because they out-executed us for the vast majority of the game. They played ugly better than we played pretty (although there was a whole lot that was not "pretty" about our performance yesterday!) A deserving win for a tough team to play. But on the whole, I don't think it is a particularly good thing for college basketball that "the butler way" has been enabled into the kind of success they have achieved in recent years. Just an ugly way of making talent less important in the equation for victory than it should be.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 29, 2014 13:57:05 GMT -5
With all due respect, professorhoya, you could not be more wrong. There have been implications that there are mental health issues involved here for Brandon Miller. You expect him, under those circumstances, to come forward and tell every one that he is stepping down due to those specific issues? Whose business is it anyway? Isn't his health more important than whether his stepping down adversely impacts recruiting? The school cannot disclose the reasons for the leave of absence without violating federal HIPAA laws. I only hope that you and your family would not have to confront those types of issues and then have to publicly announce why you, or a family member, are taking a leave of absence. Life, believe it or not, is more than basketball. Hopefully Miller can return in some capacity somewhere, and resume his career without the shadow of the reasons why he had to step down as head coach on a temporary basis. I respectfully disagree. By not saying anything, he's left an air of mystery and people jump to all sorts of conclusions. You yourself have concluded that he has some sort of mental health issue based simply off rumor and in no basis of fact I assume. He has every right not to disclose but that's not going to prevent people from making these judgements based off these rumors. If anything I think most people would be sympathetic to him if he announced that he had some physical or mental health issue. That is what Pat Summitt did with her Alzheimer's. Chuck Pagano disclosed his Leukemiea and the team and fans used it as a rallying point. And when Urban Meyer took a leave of absence he explained that it was because of stress related mental and physical health issues without going into the exact details. Miller is in a high profile public position that entails alot of responsibility to alot of people. By not saying anything, he leaves the school, the assistant coaches, the fans, the boosters, the players and the recruits in limbo. Now he has every right to do that as he has chosen to do but that hasn't stopped people from jumping to conclusions and saying and spreading the rumor that he has some kind of mental health issue. I just don't see how that helps him in the long run by being diagnosed in the court of public opinion instead of addressing the issue as we have seen other coaches do many times. I think you're missing a huge part of the point. Just because he doesn't hold a press conference to disclose his personal health issues doesn't mean that his fellow coaches, players, and administrators aren't aware of his situation. Those are the only people he really owes anything to.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 29, 2014 16:03:42 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. By not saying anything, he's left an air of mystery and people jump to all sorts of conclusions. You yourself have concluded that he has some sort of mental health issue based simply off rumor and in no basis of fact I assume. He has every right not to disclose but that's not going to prevent people from making these judgements based off these rumors. If anything I think most people would be sympathetic to him if he announced that he had some physical or mental health issue. That is what Pat Summitt did with her Alzheimer's. Chuck Pagano disclosed his Leukemiea and the team and fans used it as a rallying point. And when Urban Meyer took a leave of absence he explained that it was because of stress related mental and physical health issues without going into the exact details. Miller is in a high profile public position that entails alot of responsibility to alot of people. By not saying anything, he leaves the school, the assistant coaches, the fans, the boosters, the players and the recruits in limbo. Now he has every right to do that as he has chosen to do but that hasn't stopped people from jumping to conclusions and saying and spreading the rumor that he has some kind of mental health issue. I just don't see how that helps him in the long run by being diagnosed in the court of public opinion instead of addressing the issue as we have seen other coaches do many times. I think you're missing a huge part of the point. Just because he doesn't hold a press conference to disclose his personal health issues doesn't mean that his fellow coaches, players, and administrators aren't aware of his situation. Those are the only people he really owes anything to. Apparently it isn't a mental health or physical illness according to the Butler insiders. Which is exactly my point, nobody seems to know for sure what the problem is so people are inventing things (like the mental illness) and everything could have been cleared up if he had addressed them when he took leave. butlerhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=731&page=24&p=43177&viewfull=1#post43177Apparently, the AD Collier was going to fire him but he took this federal medical leave and now they have to find Miller an equivalent position at the university when he comes back in January with his equivalent head coaching salary assuming they want to keep Holtmann as the new Butler head coach.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 29, 2014 16:37:51 GMT -5
I think you're missing a huge part of the point. Just because he doesn't hold a press conference to disclose his personal health issues doesn't mean that his fellow coaches, players, and administrators aren't aware of his situation. Those are the only people he really owes anything to. Apparently it isn't a mental health or physical illness according to the Butler insiders. Which is exactly my point, nobody seems to know for sure what the problem is so people are inventing things (like the mental illness) and everything could have been cleared up if he had addressed them when he took leave. butlerhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=731&page=24&p=43177&viewfull=1#post43177Apparently, the AD Collier was going to fire him but he took this federal medical leave and now they have to find Miller an equivalent position at the university when he comes back in January with his equivalent head coaching salary assuming they want to keep Holtmann as the new Butler head coach. The point is if he's facing health issues that have caused him to take a leave then I'm guessing he really doesn't care what people are making up, people will always talk and believe what they want to believe. I'm sure he's focused on his health and that's all that matters, who cares about heresay.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 29, 2014 17:45:22 GMT -5
The first time to see the Hoyas in the Butler game. I have been out of town and just got back,so I haven't read any comments on the tournament. So I am not prejudiced in the following comments:
For the Butler game: it was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Of course, the best was the coming out party for Ike and the continued great play by Paul. Too bad they had to lose this game after playing so well. Which brings us to the worst of times. I couldn't believe the first half foul shooting - pretty awful (sort of like Nevada Hoya's FT shooting until I used a jump shot at the FT line). Inability to finish underneath. This has been a mantra - finish well, but it still needs to be said. And, oh my, those two in a row incidents, where the whole team fell asleep on the D end. And throw in a couple of awful calls and there you have it.
I am sorry I didn't see the Wisco game. Maybe they have it archived on ESPN.
I hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving; I would really have been thankful for a 2-1 outcome from the tourney. Oh, well. I think they learn from these games. I don't think they will fall asleep for the rest of the year; coach was furious after these.
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