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Post by professorhoya on Nov 29, 2014 12:11:09 GMT -5
I was thinking what about having White as the main ball handler like Kyle Anderson was for UCLA and move DSR to the shooting guard position? He's been bringing the ball up and handling it quite a bit in the last couple games, especially when DSR is on the bench.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 29, 2014 12:23:34 GMT -5
As good as PW's ball-handling is, it isn't as good as Kyle Anderson's.
Paul has true small forward, maybe even shooting guard kind of handle
Kyle has point guard handle
There's a difference
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 29, 2014 13:03:31 GMT -5
As good as PW's ball-handling is, it isn't as good as Kyle Anderson's. Paul has true small forward, maybe even shooting guard kind of handle Kyle has point guard handle There's a difference I respectfully disagree. What are you basing this off of? Technique or gut-feeling? Because I see Paul as having better fundamentals but I'll admit that I haven't seen much of KA since the period leading up to the draft. Just because KA dribbles much more often that doesn't necessarily mean he has better handle, they play different roles. Either way I don't think there's enough separation between the two for it to matter.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 29, 2014 13:09:10 GMT -5
As good as PW's ball-handling is, it isn't as good as Kyle Anderson's. Paul has true small forward, maybe even shooting guard kind of handle Kyle has point guard handle There's a difference I respectfully disagree. What are you basing this off of? Technique or gut-feeling? Because I see Paul as having better fundamentals but I'll admit that I haven't seen much of KA since the period leading up to the draft. Just because KA dribbles much more often that doesn't necessarily mean he has better handle, they play different roles. Either way I don't think there's enough separation between the two for it to matter. I've seen Kyle quite a bit, as well as Paul. Kyle has a better handle. You can't put Paul at the point full-time. You can with Kyle. There's a difference. But like I said before, that doesn't mean Paul isn't a terrific ball handler, because he is for his size and position. Just saying that it isn't as good as Kyle's, and it's not.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 29, 2014 13:16:33 GMT -5
So did anyone else notice the play when Paul rebounded the basketball and choose not to pass it to DSR who was calling for the ball. Instead PW dribbled it up the court and started the offense.
Yea...I would say he was full of confidence....ignoring the multiple threes he attempted during clutch moments..
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Post by yunghoya on Nov 29, 2014 14:25:02 GMT -5
As good as PW's ball-handling is, it isn't as good as Kyle Anderson's. Paul has true small forward, maybe even shooting guard kind of handle Kyle has point guard handle There's a difference I respectfully disagree. What are you basing this off of? Technique or gut-feeling? Because I see Paul as having better fundamentals but I'll admit that I haven't seen much of KA since the period leading up to the draft. Just because KA dribbles much more often that doesn't necessarily mean he has better handle, they play different roles. Either way I don't think there's enough separation between the two for it to matter. Paul has some pretty good handles for his size but KA handles are much better. I have been watching KA since he was a baby faced point guard at St. Anthony's. He's definitely on another level. He was a guard who grew 6 inches to 6'8 very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 16:16:54 GMT -5
Kyle has a better handle but he isn’t using it to blow by anyone so not sure what that means… definitely nifty with the ball
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 29, 2014 17:24:45 GMT -5
Kyle got by plenty of people last year. That's why he was a first round NBA draft pick
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 17:53:10 GMT -5
Kyle got by plenty of people last year. That's why he was a first round NBA draft pick The kid averaged 15 9 and 6.5 assists as a Soph. if he could beat his man off the dribble he would have went higher than 30 to the Spurs. Please Chk the 8:11 mark of this video. He can use his body to get an advantage but not blowing by anybody off the bounce... Edit: you have to watch on youtube though for some reason...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 29, 2014 18:21:38 GMT -5
Oh jeez. lol
The kid was the very best player in the Pac-12 and you're trying to nit pick him.
lol
ok.
fyi, he went 30th to the Spurs because he isn't athletic and he can't defend an NBA position. But I covered the Pac-12 the last two years. I've seen about 70 percent of KA's college basketball games. His ball handling ability allowed him to get by plenty of people, pretty much whenever he wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 18:24:50 GMT -5
Oh jeez. lol The kid was the very best player in the Pac-12 and you're trying to nit pick him. lol ok. fyi, he went 30th to the Spurs because he isn't athletic and he can't defend an NBA position. But I covered the Pac-12 the last two years. I've seen about 70 percent of KA's college basketball games. His ball handling ability allowed him to get by plenty of people, pretty much whenever he wanted to. LOL then you should know what I said was truth.. How am I nit picking him by pointing out what the scouts see in his game? The video is clear and if we pull up any of his pre draft analysis it will say the same thing. Mark Jackson got to where he wanted to on the court, he also was not blowing by anybody. There’s a difference.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 29, 2014 18:53:54 GMT -5
In my view, having a 6'9" point guard in the NBA is a huge plus for any team. However, Kyle is no Magic. Kyle, I always thought was slow and methodical. I bet you, White can even be more effective than Kyle in the position, especially with our speed up offense this year.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 29, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
I've been watching Kyle since before he was born and I can assure you he could dribble with his left hand even then.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 29, 2014 20:20:39 GMT -5
Oh jeez. lol The kid was the very best player in the Pac-12 and you're trying to nit pick him. lol ok. fyi, he went 30th to the Spurs because he isn't athletic and he can't defend an NBA position. But I covered the Pac-12 the last two years. I've seen about 70 percent of KA's college basketball games. His ball handling ability allowed him to get by plenty of people, pretty much whenever he wanted to. LOL then you should know what I said was truth.. How am I nit picking him by pointing out what the scouts see in his game? The video is clear and if we pull up any of his pre draft analysis it will say the same thing. Mark Jackson got to where he wanted to on the court, he also was not blowing by anybody. There’s a difference. I didn't say he was blowing past people like Russell Westbrook. Simply saying that he got past people off the dribble with great efficiency last season
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Post by tashoya on Nov 29, 2014 22:19:12 GMT -5
They're similar players but PW hasn't developed yet. He's not as good with the ball as KA (yet) and isn't the passer that KA was (yet) but he's both faster and quicker with better elevation on his jumper. Apparently, he's also aware of his limitations (to a degree) so far because he's put up a number of shot fakes to get a clear mid-range shot over threes for now. He's not there yet defensively and his rebounding has only been good in spots but he's definitely got a sense for the offensive side of things already that is helping him to get more and more minutes. He's a kid that you just know is only going to get better and, as a fan, that's ridiculously fun to watch.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 29, 2014 23:06:26 GMT -5
some ppl drank here too much hoya blue... comparing white to KA already... really? :0
when white becomes the best player in the BE and becomes a first round pick in the NBA, then come back again to sell your hoya blue plz.
discussion closed about KA vs. white
White is a fine player - very skilled and has high bballIQ. but let's not go too far just yet after seein 6 games of him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 1:22:09 GMT -5
some ppl drank here too much hoya blue... comparing white to KA already... really? :0 when white becomes the best player in the BE and becomes a first round pick in the NBA, then come back again to sell your hoya blue plz. discussion closed about KA vs. white White is a fine player - very skilled and has high bballIQ. but let's not go too far just yet after seein 6 games of him. People compared White to Otto and he went 3rd in the Draft.. Ike to Green and he went Lotto as well. I don’t understand why you think it is so Blasphemous for some posters to compare White to KA if they see similarities in his game when those other comparisons were made while those guys were still in HS.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 30, 2014 1:56:24 GMT -5
White is much, much more Otto than he is Kyle Anderson.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 30, 2014 5:48:11 GMT -5
some ppl drank here too much hoya blue... comparing white to KA already... really? :0 when white becomes the best player in the BE and becomes a first round pick in the NBA, then come back again to sell your hoya blue plz. discussion closed about KA vs. white White is a fine player - very skilled and has high bballIQ. but let's not go too far just yet after seein 6 games of him. People compared White to Otto and he went 3rd in the Draft.. Ike to Green and he went Lotto as well. I don’t understand why you think it is so Blasphemous for some posters to compare White to KA if they see similarities in his game when those other comparisons were made while those guys were still in HS. b/c we have only seen 6 games of White. i mean people were saying Peak was the next coming of Dwayne Wade after 4 games and now they don't even mention him because he had poor showings last 2 games. if white continues to improve throughout the season and somehow carries us beyond first weeknd of the NCAA tournament, mayb we can start comparing him to green, KA. but it's too early. as of only speaking of ball handling skills, KA is vastly superior to white ; KA was UCLA's PG and he will play that position in the pros as well. Whereas White has not even been given such assignment by JT3. And I doubt he will in our system. He will only play the 3 and 4 positions while he is with us.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2014 9:16:53 GMT -5
some ppl drank here too much hoya blue... comparing white to KA already... really? :0 when white becomes the best player in the BE and becomes a first round pick in the NBA, then come back again to sell your hoya blue plz. discussion closed about KA vs. white White is a fine player - very skilled and has high bballIQ. but let's not go too far just yet after seein 6 games of him. The discussion is, and was, about their handle. Try reading the posts before responding to them.
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