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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2015 8:18:12 GMT -5
Not that I wouldn't have run it, but I find the utter lack of criticism of Russell Wilson kind of crazy. You can throw that ball away.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 2, 2015 10:45:18 GMT -5
Fair point, although we are talking about a 3rd year quarterback throwing a quick slant where I doubt he saw the DB until it was too late. Putting him in that position was a mistake.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 2, 2015 10:55:38 GMT -5
Have to believe that the Seahawks do not plan to resign Marshawn Lynch, and feared some blowback from the fan base if they didn't bring back the running back who scored the game winning touchdown in the final minute of the Super Bowl.
Is that a good enough reason to call that passing play? No. I can think of other plays that would have accomplished the same end while actually scoring (or at least mot turning the ball over): quarterback sneak (going low behind the line), fake the handoff to Lynch and keep the ball on an end run, roll-out option play where Wilson can pass, throw the ball away or run into the end zone on his own. . .and I'm not even an offensive coordinator.
Happy for those of you in Patriot Nation, but the Seahawks gave tho one away.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 2, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -5
Not that I wouldn't have run it, but I find the utter lack of criticism of Russell Wilson kind of crazy. You can throw that ball away. I agree it wasn't Wilson's finest moment. But even if you're going to call a pass play there, the one they called made no sense. Call a fade to the corner or at least something to the outside where he can throw the pass somewhere only his guy can get it. That play they ran has to be a hard thrown ball at a point on the field where there's lots of guys that can cause trouble. And one did. Compare it to the two plays the Pats called with Edelman lined up alone. Brady only completed one of them, but the plays were designed (and executed by Brady) in such a way that nothing terrible could happen. Wilson could have accomplished that, I suppose, by going to Lynch up on the top side, but that clearly wasn't designed to be his first read. Just way too risky a call. I'd also note that it probably made sense to play-action there if you're going to throw. I mean, the whole world thinks you're going to run, so why not make use of that? Maybe one of the corners bites and someone is wide open. I guess at the end of the day, if you're concerned you're not going to get three cracks at it if you run Lynch twice to start, but you think you can get three cracks at it if you throw first, that's fair enough. But call a pass play that at least makes it certain you're going to get ONE crack with Lynch if the pass fails. The notion that "we were trying to throw away a down there so that the clock would run" is absurd. If so, just run the play clock down and spike it! (Obviously doing that would have idiotic, which is the reason that excuse doesn't hold water.)
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 2, 2015 19:07:02 GMT -5
I think that after the interception all was not entirely gone, as Seattle had a chance for a safety, cut the margin to two and then get the free kick and get into FG region. Of course, that was all destroyed after the offside and the subsequent fight(s) and personal foul.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 2, 2015 19:21:05 GMT -5
Have to believe that the Seahawks do not plan to resign Marshawn Lynch, and feared some blowback from the fan base if they didn't bring back the running back who scored the game winning touchdown in the final minute of the Super Bowl. Is that a good enough reason to call that passing play? No. I can think of other plays that would have accomplished the same end while actually scoring (or at least mot turning the ball over): quarterback sneak (going low behind the line), fake the handoff to Lynch and keep the ball on an end run, roll-out option play where Wilson can pass, throw the ball away or run into the end zone on his own. . .and I'm not even an offensive coordinator. Happy for those of you in Patriot Nation, but the Seahawks gave tho one away. This is exactly what I told one of my friends last night. If you don't want to use Lynch on second down, fake it to him and run a bootleg with the best running QB in the league. Wilson can either walk into the end zone or throw the ball away. That call was horrifically putrid. If I were a Seahawks fan, I probably would have gone on a bender last night. They went from we are absolutely, positively going to win this game to what the #$%#$ was that?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 2, 2015 20:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 3, 2015 7:57:36 GMT -5
I think that after the interception all was not entirely gone, as Seattle had a chance for a safety, cut the margin to two and then get the free kick and get into FG region. Of course, that was all destroyed after the offside and the subsequent fight(s) and personal foul. Classic Pete Carroll undisciplined football team. A holdover from his Patriot days.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 3, 2015 10:30:06 GMT -5
Have to believe that the Seahawks do not plan to resign Marshawn Lynch, and feared some blowback from the fan base if they didn't bring back the running back who scored the game winning touchdown in the final minute of the Super Bowl. Is that a good enough reason to call that passing play? No. I can think of other plays that would have accomplished the same end while actually scoring (or at least mot turning the ball over): quarterback sneak (going low behind the line), fake the handoff to Lynch and keep the ball on an end run, roll-out option play where Wilson can pass, throw the ball away or run into the end zone on his own. . .and I'm not even an offensive coordinator. Happy for those of you in Patriot Nation, but the Seahawks gave tho one away. I would be shocked if their plans for Lynch entered their minds during the brief period between 1st and 2nd Down. Presumably they were much more worried about managing the clock and calling a good play.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 3, 2015 10:54:44 GMT -5
Have to believe that the Seahawks do not plan to resign Marshawn Lynch, and feared some blowback from the fan base if they didn't bring back the running back who scored the game winning touchdown in the final minute of the Super Bowl. Is that a good enough reason to call that passing play? No. I can think of other plays that would have accomplished the same end while actually scoring (or at least mot turning the ball over): quarterback sneak (going low behind the line), fake the handoff to Lynch and keep the ball on an end run, roll-out option play where Wilson can pass, throw the ball away or run into the end zone on his own. . .and I'm not even an offensive coordinator. Happy for those of you in Patriot Nation, but the Seahawks gave tho one away. I would be shocked if their plans for Lynch entered their minds during the brief period between 1st and 2nd Down. Presumably they were much more worried about managing the clock and calling a good play. Clearly they gave no thought to either calling a good play or managing the clock. The decision was then, and will ever remain, indefensible.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 3, 2015 10:55:48 GMT -5
I would be shocked if their plans for Lynch entered their minds during the brief period between 1st and 2nd Down. Presumably they were much more worried about managing the clock and calling a good play. Clearly they gave no thought to either calling a good play or managing the clock. The decision was then, and will ever remain, indefensible. Didn't say they were successful in managing the clock or calling a good play, but Lynch's contract status wasn't the reason they failed to give him the ball (or call a passing play that wasn't stupid).
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Post by kchoya on Feb 3, 2015 11:00:19 GMT -5
I think that after the interception all was not entirely gone, as Seattle had a chance for a safety, cut the margin to two and then get the free kick and get into FG region. Of course, that was all destroyed after the offside and the subsequent fight(s) and personal foul. Classic Pete Carroll undisciplined football team. A holdover from his Patriot days. I think that's going a little too far. Seattle just suffered the biggest gut punch imaginable, going from a 99% sure SB win, to a 99% sure loss. Their lack of discipline and composure at the juncture was understandable. I wouldn't pin that on Carroll.
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Post by MassHoya on Feb 3, 2015 12:45:19 GMT -5
I guess that explains Baldwin posing as if he had just pooped the football when he scored a touchdown and Irvin getting thrown out at the end of the game for fighting. Certainly understandable.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 3, 2015 14:53:57 GMT -5
Or for an actual football example, Michael Bennett jumping offsides and officially ending any chance of a safety or forcing Brady to choose between taking a knee in the end zone or diving into the line with a chance for Seattle to strip the ball.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Feb 3, 2015 15:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 4, 2015 12:30:56 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Feb 4, 2015 15:57:57 GMT -5
Or for an actual football example, Michael Bennett jumping offsides and officially ending any chance of a safety or forcing Brady to choose between taking a knee in the end zone or diving into the line with a chance for Seattle to strip the ball. Again, you're putting that on Carroll? You don't think 20 of 30 other NFL teams do something similar?
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Post by kchoya on Feb 4, 2015 15:58:48 GMT -5
I guess that explains Baldwin posing as if he had just pooped the football when he scored a touchdown Way to focus on something completely irrelevant.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 4, 2015 23:31:05 GMT -5
Or for an actual football example, Michael Bennett jumping offsides and officially ending any chance of a safety or forcing Brady to choose between taking a knee in the end zone or diving into the line with a chance for Seattle to strip the ball. Again, you're putting that on Carroll? You don't think 20 of 30 other NFL teams do something similar? No.
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Post by MassHoya on Feb 5, 2015 14:24:11 GMT -5
The point is that the lack of discipline and composure on the part of the Seahawks was evident at several points of the game, not just the ending. It seems unfair to Carroll to focus criticism on him. Even Belichick supports his decision and they are not that close.
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