hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 11, 2015 15:03:09 GMT -5
SF I can't claim to know more than you but he seems more offensively skilled than Brilly. From what I remember about Brilly's HS vids, he did a lot of finishing at the rim. Not much different than now. While Kaleb appears to hit a lot of mid range jumpers and floaters. I really can't think of a Gtown comparison but the videos remind me of Tayshaun Prince.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 11, 2015 16:57:05 GMT -5
I think B&G compares him to David Wingate....not that you young'uns would know who that is. I would gladly take another Wingate, although he looked a lot of Peak, actually.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 11, 2015 17:07:22 GMT -5
Beenaround, Wingate was between Ewing and Mourning right? I was born in '75 so Mourning is when most of my true memories begin.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 17:09:05 GMT -5
I think B&G compares him to David Wingate....not that you young'uns would know who that is. I would gladly take another Wingate, although he looked a lot of Peak, actually. If he's Wingate, I mean, yeah, that's pretty incredible. Take that in a heartbeat. I didn't see him in college except the old games I've watched now but I remember him from the NBA. Hoyazeke -- I see that in the highlights as well but all the scouting reports say his outside shooting is sketch, so I'm not sure what to think. Could people see him having a Peak-like freshman season? Shoot well from 2, play good D, not get as many minutes probably but contribute on the break and driving and miss everything from 3? Or is that too ambitious to be likely?
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 11, 2015 17:10:36 GMT -5
I looked it up. Wingate was on the Ewing teams. Just really remember what I see on Comcast classics.......lol
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 11, 2015 17:37:46 GMT -5
Wingate was a monster. Extremely versatile player who played outstanding defense. So much fun to watch.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 11, 2015 18:04:11 GMT -5
Beenaround, Wingate was between Ewing and Mourning right? I was born in '75 so Mourning is when most of my true memories begin. Wingate played with Ewing his last 3 years.. He was a very good player for Georgetown both defensively & offensively.. He was highly sought after coming out of HS, I remember reading about him in Eastern Basketball magazine.. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/d_wingate.htmMany folks like to tab Gene Smith as the best defensive guard in G'town history and they're probably right but Wingate was a close second imo, dude got after it.. If Kaleb can be half of what Wingate was we as fans will be very happy.. I'm hoping he can be a more offensive version of PE Jr. for JT3
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Feb 11, 2015 18:16:16 GMT -5
And don't forget the patented Wingate 10 ft bank shot that he always made. Total old school. The Wingater off the glass.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 11, 2015 18:52:54 GMT -5
Only on Hoyatalk can we make a late signing into one of the best Hoya players/NBA vet. Love it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 21:04:11 GMT -5
So, for the folks who know more about this than me, it seems like Kaleb is definitely a better prospect than Bowen coming in. His game is different than Trawick and he'll be a freshman, but in terms of overall talent level and general expectations, do people expect him to have a career similar to, better than or worse than Trawick? A lot of uncertainty with him because his game has really evolved in the last couple of years but I would say he is a poor mans Greg Whittington, or that’s what I think the staff is hoping they get out of him… Ceiling not as high but minus the negatives of course Kaleb like Greg played inside most of his HS careers. Just recently really started seeing the majority of his minutes on the perimeter. Shot has been questioned by many but games I saw he shot a high percentage from 3. MaxPreps (Always take with a mountain of salt) has him shooting over 50% for the year from 3 fwiw. Think as soon as he gets on campus the staff starts drilling into his head if you want minutes you need to be working towards being a lock down guy on D...
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 11, 2015 21:05:01 GMT -5
Only on Hoyatalk can we make a late signing into one of the best Hoya players/NBA vet. Love it. Yeah, this. Wasn't Wingate a top 5 recruit? And weren't he, Reggie Williams (some of you may have heard of him), Muggsy Bogues and Reggie Lewis (rip) all on the same high school team, Dunbar in Baltimore? Nothing at all against Kaleb, but if he's a poor man's Wingate, I'll be thrilled.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 21:08:18 GMT -5
So, for the folks who know more about this than me, it seems like Kaleb is definitely a better prospect than Bowen coming in. His game is different than Trawick and he'll be a freshman, but in terms of overall talent level and general expectations, do people expect him to have a career similar to, better than or worse than Trawick? A lot of uncertainty with him because his game has really evolved in the last couple of years but I would say he is a poor mans Greg Whittington, or that’s what I think the staff is hoping they get out of him… Ceiling not as high but minus the negatives of course Kaleb like Greg played inside most of his HS careers. Just recently really started seeing the majority of his minutes on the perimeter. Shot has been questioned by many but games I saw he shot a high percentage from 3. MaxPreps (Always take with a mountain of salt) has him shooting over 50% for the year from 3 fwiw. Think as soon as he gets on campus the staff starts drilling into his head if you want minutes you need to be working towards being a lock down guy on D... It's that last point that I'm intrigued by. I remember a lot of the scouting reports from locals on Greg were actually that he was a poor defender with bad lateral movement, but the instant he got to Kenner, he was known as a lock down guy (and accurately, aside from a few too many way-too-aggressive fouls). If he can lock guys down, shoot decent from outside and finish when asked, that's a GREAT piece to add to next year. The big piece for me: can he defend and handle well enough to play the 2?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 21:08:50 GMT -5
Only on Hoyatalk can we make a late signing into one of the best Hoya players/NBA vet. Love it. Yeah, this. Wasn't Wingate a top 5 recruit? And weren't he, Reggie Williams (some of you may have heard of him), Muggsy Bogues and Reggie Lewis (rip) all on the same high school team, Dunbar in Baltimore? Nothing at all against Kaleb, but if he's a poor man's Wingate, I'll be thrilled. In B&G's defense, I think he probably meant style, not overall quality. ETA: Looked back, B&G "saw some Wingate in him."
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Post by beenaround on Feb 11, 2015 22:41:34 GMT -5
Wingate was 6 ft 5, and was the unsung glue guy on those great teams. Did not do anything incredibly well on offense, but could shut down a guard or forward. ON offense, he had a good handle, solid midrange shot, and primarily slashed to the hole , especially on the break. Sorry...I take any excuse to remember the good old days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 23:07:03 GMT -5
A lot of uncertainty with him because his game has really evolved in the last couple of years but I would say he is a poor mans Greg Whittington, or that’s what I think the staff is hoping they get out of him… Ceiling not as high but minus the negatives of course Kaleb like Greg played inside most of his HS careers. Just recently really started seeing the majority of his minutes on the perimeter. Shot has been questioned by many but games I saw he shot a high percentage from 3. MaxPreps (Always take with a mountain of salt) has him shooting over 50% for the year from 3 fwiw. Think as soon as he gets on campus the staff starts drilling into his head if you want minutes you need to be working towards being a lock down guy on D... It's that last point that I'm intrigued by. I remember a lot of the scouting reports from locals on Greg were actually that he was a poor defender with bad lateral movement, but the instant he got to Kenner, he was known as a lock down guy (and accurately, aside from a few too many way-too-aggressive fouls). If he can lock guys down, shoot decent from outside and finish when asked, that's a GREAT piece to add to next year. The big piece for me: can he defend and handle well enough to play the 2? Yeah I don’t think we will know the answer to that until next year, he’s kind of in between positions right now. Definitely needs to work on his right hand, he seems overly reliant on his left. College level coaches are going to tell their guys to force him right especially in conference play. He has a solid foundation if he worked really hard I think he could get there, and he is really strong going left. Regarding next year I would be comfortable saying he could be a 3rd ball handler similar to what LJ does this year. He wouldn’t be a primary guy though unless major improvement happens with his off hand. No way to know if the shooting numbers are legit. Imo His shot doesn’t look broke but it doesn’t look pure either. D is also a question mark. He doesn’t have that rep right now, and one thing that made Greg was he had a lot of dog in him. Even as a freshman at 6’8 he sure did used to get low in his stance like a guard and take people on. You don’t see a lot of kids with his ability, but the staff does seem to be good about teaching big athletic kids to use their length to advantage. If he comes in with that defensive mentality like Tre did this year, even if he gets overly aggressive from time to time I could see that as a major plus. He also might be completely overwhelmed, it’s hard to say. Carlisle does play a National schedule, he has performed well in some big games and generally puts up really efficient numbers. One thing that might hurt him in the eyes of Scouts is his game is kind of awkward and quiet. It’s hard to explain but I’ve watched a couple Carlisle games and didn’t notice him at all then looked at the box-score and he had 20+ and 10+ rebounds while shooting 8-12 or something.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 23:42:49 GMT -5
Thanks, yaboy. Great info.
This year's class has been so great -- outperforming the already impressive recruiting rankings to my mind. It's been amazing that four of them are playing real minutes already and contributing at a pretty decent level or better.
We've had such thin teams over the last few years across the board that one thing I was really looking for the 2015 class was a strong class with quantity and quality back to back with 2014. We followed up 2011 with one great player and basically nothing else over the next 2 years. I don't expect a lot of Top 10 guys but the way we can compete is to bring 3 quality players a year.
I'm a big believer in Govan and Derrickson, but that's still 2 guys. I like what I hear in Agau, but his track record definitely brings questions. There's still Spring, but if Kaleb is a guy who can come in and contribute at Peak or Tre levels next year, I count that as a quality player and at least three in the class. And at least seven over two years. I don't think we've brought in seven quality players over two years EVER under III. This is assuming a lot, of course, and you've got to keep doing it year after year, but that would be huge.
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 12, 2015 0:13:31 GMT -5
Wingate was 6 ft 5, and was the unsung glue guy on those great teams. Did not do anything incredibly well on offense, but could shut down a guard or forward. ON offense, he had a good handle, solid midrange shot, and primarily slashed to the hole , especially on the break. Sorry...I take any excuse to remember the good old days. I would say he did the midrange bank shot incredibly well. Loved that shot.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Feb 12, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -5
Only on Hoyatalk can we make a late signing into one of the best Hoya players/NBA vet. Love it. Yeah, this. Wasn't Wingate a top 5 recruit? And weren't he, Reggie Williams (some of you may have heard of him), Muggsy Bogues and Reggie Lewis (rip) all on the same high school team, Dunbar in Baltimore? Nothing at all against Kaleb, but if he's a poor man's Wingate, I'll be thrilled. Yes. Wingate was also something like GU's 3rd all-time leading scorer when he graduated. Kind of a high bar we're setting here.
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Post by Filo on Feb 12, 2015 9:50:32 GMT -5
Wingate was 6 ft 5, and was the unsung glue guy on those great teams. Did not do anything incredibly well on offense, but could shut down a guard or forward. ON offense, he had a good handle, solid midrange shot, and primarily slashed to the hole , especially on the break. Sorry...I take any excuse to remember the good old days. With you on that! Nothing better than seeing Wingate covering Chris Mullin like a blanket. Lock down D. And, no, I don't see anyone here comparing KJ to Wingate or having similar expectations for him. YaBoy's post says it all: A lot of uncertainty with him because his game has really evolved in the last couple of years but I would say he is a poor mans Greg Whittington, or that’s what I think the staff is hoping they get out of him… Ceiling not as high but minus the negatives of course Kaleb like Greg played inside most of his HS careers. Just recently really started seeing the majority of his minutes on the perimeter. Shot has been questioned by many but games I saw he shot a high percentage from 3. MaxPreps (Always take with a mountain of salt) has him shooting over 50% for the year from 3 fwiw. Think as soon as he gets on campus the staff starts drilling into his head if you want minutes you need to be working towards being a lock down guy on D...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 6:15:51 GMT -5
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