TC
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Post by TC on Nov 11, 2014 13:56:16 GMT -5
I believe that, were the Democrats/Obama to accept that the border be closed first, the Republicans would agree to follow that with some sort of amnesty for those already here. They would avoid using the word, amnesty, but it would be de-facto amnesty. So you believe if the Democrats and Obama solve some a problem that really can't be solved - especially to the satisfaction of the people demanding it, that Republicans would go along with something that might threaten their political power (really the only thing that matters to them).
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 11, 2014 19:20:31 GMT -5
I believe that, were the Democrats/Obama to accept that the border be closed first, the Republicans would agree to follow that with some sort of amnesty for those already here. They would avoid using the word, amnesty, but it would be de-facto amnesty. So you believe if the Democrats and Obama solve some a problem that really can't be solved - especially to the satisfaction of the people demanding it, that Republicans would go along with something that might threaten their political power (really the only thing that matters to them). I disagree with your statement. The southern border can be closed if we really want to do it with some combination of added border guards and hi tech solutions, like drones and electronic surveillance. Only the will to do it is lacking. As for your comments on Republicans, maybe you ought to have Democrats look in the mirror to see if they actually want solution or an issue.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2014 19:50:41 GMT -5
Let's look at the craven realities of the politics here. The vast majority of those to whom the President wishes to offer a "Path to Citizenship" will soon be, if they are not already, enjoying the type of government largesse that will place them solidly in the Democrat Party for years if not generations to come.
Barack Obama promised to fundamentally change America and he is doing his damnedest to keep that promise.
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TC
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Post by TC on Nov 11, 2014 21:27:35 GMT -5
So you believe if the Democrats and Obama solve some a problem that really can't be solved - especially to the satisfaction of the people demanding it, that Republicans would go along with something that might threaten their political power (really the only thing that matters to them). I disagree with your statement. The southern border can be closed if we really want to do it with some combination of added border guards and hi tech solutions, like drones and electronic surveillance. Only the will to do it is lacking. As for your comments on Republicans, maybe you ought to have Democrats look in the mirror to see if they actually want solution or an issue. Given that Democrats lost their majority because they actually gave us a solution to something they fought for for 80 years, and Republicans have run against it for the last 6 years without any semblance of an idea or solution, I'm okay with the look in the mirror. But I do love when Republicans accuse Democrats of the kinds of craven manipulation and machinations that only the Republican Party and conservatives are truly capable of.
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Post by quickplay on Nov 12, 2014 8:33:53 GMT -5
Let's look at the craven realities of the politics here. The vast majority of those to whom the President wishes to offer a "Path to Citizenship" will soon be, if they are not already, enjoying the type of government largesse that will place them solidly in the Democrat Party for years if not generations to come. Barack Obama promised to fundamentally change America and he is doing his damnedest to keep that promise. How much of this is a sincere belief and how much is rhetorical wrapping? I see this kind of claim all the time from the right, that blacks or Hispanics are just lazy parasites who the Democrats feed for votes. Is this a serious belief?
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2014 8:40:55 GMT -5
You may place your own bigotry as an overlay to my post if you like. If you are unwilling to admit that Democrats view amnesty as a registration drive you are fooling yourself. Ready it is a simple pitch: we will make you citizens and afford you all the benefits you don't have in your own country.
This is pure politics. Create an entire new block of voters who owe their citizenship to the Democrat party.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Nov 12, 2014 8:52:08 GMT -5
My own bigotry?
I'm sure Democrats see this as a huge registration drive, and I have no doubt a large push for immigration reform is their belief that Hispanics will vote Democrat.
My question is about why. I hear conservatives say things all the time about how blacks and Hispanics are lazy takers, living off the largesse of government as you put it. How serious a belief is this?
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2014 8:56:13 GMT -5
If you come from a country with no infrastructure and you are instantly able to get education, healthcare and public assistance, you are getting government largesse. It is not a racial calculus; rather, it is an economic calculus.
I sincerely believe that the Democrats will use amnesty to create a new block of voters who will essentially feel indebted to those who opened the door for them to stay and have this better life.
This analysis goes for illegal immigrants of every ethnic and racial stripe.
As for my comment about your own bigotry it was an inartful way of saying don't ascribe bigotry to me where there is none. Unless of course, it is my sincere bias against the Democrat Party.
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