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Post by kchoya on Sept 30, 2015 15:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 30, 2015 19:43:34 GMT -5
That's one great defense. "I'm not as bad as Larry Brown."
And "we tried to create an atmosphere of compliance?" "We were hopin' and wishin' and all, but we're too dumb to do it right." Yeah, that's the ticket.
I'm getting to the point that I feel that I need to bathe for forty-eight hours to remove all of the taurine excrement that Lower Canada Community College and its apologists throw out in support of Boeheim and how he runs the SU program.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 6, 2015 16:15:23 GMT -5
From Andy Katz today:
Um no, those other coaches didn't have a documented 10+ year trail of cheating. And it's not longer because of an arbitrary decision by the NCAA on the statute of limitation period.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 6, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
The sad truth is that Magoo likely will get a reduction due to the cozy relationship between the NCAA and the SU Alumni club Bristol division.
But for him to suggest that they tried and failed to promote compliance is pathetic. "We wanted a culture of compliance but my first thirty years of rampant cheating was just too hard to undo."
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 6, 2015 17:49:10 GMT -5
This is the rare occasion that I disagree with Elvado. I don't believe that the NCAA will give Boeheim any reduction in the noine-game ACC game suspension.
You can't use punishments given to the other coaches as a framework for this type of conduct. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
(ducks and runs)
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Post by tashoya on Oct 7, 2015 9:43:58 GMT -5
If only Boeheim invoked the Larry Brown comparison and, having considered the comparison, the NCAA decided to increase his suspension.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 29, 2015 12:08:45 GMT -5
In Syracuse for the day (don't worry, wearing the hazmat suit). Reading the sports section, an interesting aspect of the suspension I don't recall being aware of - not just unable to coach the 9 games, but from start of game1 to end of game 9, he literally can have zero contact with players - can't be at practice, or in his office during practice, can't even talk/text/contact any player.
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 29, 2015 21:57:43 GMT -5
Maybe Boeheim will simply take the opportunity to learn how to properly monitor his players' scholastic pursuits.
Naaaaah.
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 23, 2015 12:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 26, 2015 8:55:38 GMT -5
Punishment should have been maintained, but at least there was a confirmation of orange wrongdoing. The fine was reduced. I wonder if ESPN will pay it?
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2015 9:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 10, 2015 11:58:33 GMT -5
Boeheim: "I believe there should be some punishment to the program. Directly to me, I really don't buy that, because the rule says, if you monitor your program and something happens, and you've monitored it, you're not going to be punished. Well, they never tell you what monitoring means. They've never told us that, they've never told anybody that. And they have not told me that. So what does that mean? If you don't know what it means, what the hell are you supposed to do?" Also known as the "Sgt. Schultz Defense."
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Post by hoya95 on Dec 10, 2015 12:33:25 GMT -5
What a strange man. But the news here seems to be that Boeheim has some kind of secret exit plan that will take place in less than three years. God only knows what that's going to look like.
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Post by gutuna on Dec 10, 2015 12:53:01 GMT -5
Just another coach that reflects the current state of college basketball and football. He believes he is employed to 1. Win games and 2. Not worry about anything else. Which, in my view, is an accurate representation of the expectations his employer has for him. So he resents that he is being held to any other standard.
The expectation that sports at a university should be primarily focused on sport as a component of education has long been surpassed. Less public funding and extreme inefficiency in operating has left schools willing to justify anything in the quest to feed their need for donations. Big football and basketball is only one part of this problem.
Boeheim is focused on his small part of things, so he appears to the public to be clueless, indignant, and out of touch.
I am likely much worse. I see the massive contradictions in the system and the problems it causes. Yet I still want college athletics to be a part of educating a whole person. And I watch and pump money into the system as it is. I'm no better than John Feinstein as a fan.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 10, 2015 13:22:43 GMT -5
There are so many problems with the system, most of them tied to our antiquated notion of amateurism. The specific problem at the heart of many of the current scandals is that there really is no great way to deter behavior that goes against the rules (whatever those rules may be). Most of the time, punishing the kids doesn't work since a lot of issues comes to light after they're gone. Punishing the programs after-the-fact is goofy too, and usually only serves to impact people that had nothing to do with anything. Still, the theory is (and not wrongly), unless you punish someone, there is no deterrence.
If you don't hold very senior people responsible, then you run the very real risk that they'll simply turn a blind eye to bad behavior and never suffer any personal consequences. So, they've tried to go the other way and hold senior people responsible unless they can prove they didn't know or do anything wrong. But we're kidding ourselves if we really think that the most senior people always know what's going on and, thus, should be held responsible on that basis.
There's always been, and always will be, a "there but for the grace of God go I" feeling to so many of these reports.
I still think the whole system is going to come cratering down within the next 20 or so years. The bubble of television money will go away and schools simply won't be able to afford what they've done in the same way.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 10, 2015 19:25:15 GMT -5
What a strange man. But the news here seems to be that Boeheim has some kind of secret exit plan that will take place in less than three years. God only knows what that's going to look like. Double secret exitation.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 8, 2016 13:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 8, 2016 14:23:17 GMT -5
Wow. Sure sounds like Jimbo has learned his lesson. I guess he figures that if gets caught again, no biggie. . .he's retiring soon anyway.
SU has now had their first look at Mike Hopkins as the head-coach-in-waiting, and it's fair to say that there is concern in Lower Canada about how the program will proceed after Boeheim leaves for good.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 8, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -5
And the same lack of conscience
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