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Post by Elvado on Oct 21, 2014 10:29:18 GMT -5
So the Ebola situation has been handled well or poorly?
Please let me know.
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Post by guru on Oct 21, 2014 10:37:47 GMT -5
Do you get right-wing talking points just beamed into your head or do you wait for the morning newsletter? Mainlining Drudge. No thought required. (and I lean very conservative, but people like this, who regurgitate Drudge and Fox News talking points and headlines, don't help the cause)
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Post by quickplay on Oct 21, 2014 10:39:26 GMT -5
Handled well? By who?
I'd say keeping it contained to three cases in the US is handling it well, yes. Obviously the hospital in Dallas made some mistakes, but I'm not holding Obama personally responsible.
Do you think it has been handled poorly?
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Post by Elvado on Oct 21, 2014 10:57:33 GMT -5
I believe the CDC, and most specifically its spokesman, has looked hopelessly amateurish.
An organization such as CDC needs to inspire confidence and appear ahead of the curve. Their performance has been woefully lacking
I lay none of this mess directly at Mr. Obama's feet, but as President he is ultimately responsible for the actions of his appointees.
The mixed messages coming out of Atlanta are of grave concern.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 21, 2014 22:43:56 GMT -5
I agree with Andrew Exum: Apparently, we desire our presidents to only engage in super manly recreational pursuits, like clearing brush. No wonder Putin has so many admirers on the American right: he plays with tigers, rides horses barechested, wrestles bears with his bare hands, etc. No effete linksman, he! Anyway, I somehow missed the fact that Klain was actually teaching a class at Georgetown when he was appointed:
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 21, 2014 23:18:01 GMT -5
I agree with Andrew Exum: Apparently, we desire our presidents to only engage in super manly recreational pursuits, like clearing brush. No wonder Putin has so many admirers on the American right: he plays with tigers, rides horses barechested, wrestles bears with his bare hands, etc. No effete linksman, he! Do you think the problem is the recreational activity or the fact that he's participating in the recreational activity? I mean, since when is golf seen as effete? It's associated with rich people / the elite, but not manly? Since when?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 24, 2014 15:55:04 GMT -5
Do you think the problem is the recreational activity or the fact that he's participating in the recreational activity? I mean, since when is golf seen as effete? It's associated with rich people / the elite, but not manly? Since when? I mean, yes, obviously, in this instance the real target is the individual, not the activity. The activity is merely highlighted as a means to an end. Also relevant, to some extent, is the fact that Bush 43 made a thing of giving up golf because Iraq. So there is at least some school of thought out there that golf during wartime = unacceptable (no one bothered to tell the Zoomie brass who insist on having a golf course at every AFB), where presumably other pursuits like Segway-ridin', sports-watchin', and the aforementioned brush-clearin' are ok.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 24, 2014 16:30:37 GMT -5
Do you think the problem is the recreational activity or the fact that he's participating in the recreational activity? I mean, since when is golf seen as effete? It's associated with rich people / the elite, but not manly? Since when? I mean, yes, obviously, in this instance the real target is the individual, not the activity. The activity is merely highlighted as a means to an end. Also relevant, to some extent, is the fact that Bush 43 made a thing of giving up golf because Iraq. So there is at least some school of thought out there that golf during wartime = unacceptable (no one bothered to tell the Zoomie brass who insist on having a golf course at every AFB), where presumably other pursuits like Segway-ridin', sports-watchin', and the aforementioned brush-clearin' are ok. It's also probably about the amount of time participating in said recreational activity / how often said recreational activity is done. But good effort trying to make it about whether people think golf is manly enough for Obama. Honestly, he should probably spend less time on the golf course and more time either working on his jump shot or learning how to throw a baseball, because he needs work on both. go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/2013-04-01/obamas-hoops-two-for-22-so-much-for-home-court-advantage/
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 24, 2014 23:25:17 GMT -5
I think it's basically an iron law of partisanship that partisans will always find the other side's standard-bearer to be lacking in manliness (especially if it's a woman, hah), skill in athletic pursuits, etc. They will also inevitably find the opposition's standard-bearer to be devoting too much time to recreation and dawdling. Case in point: the criticism leveled against Bush 43 for his lengthy vacations. The truth - to the extent such a thing even exists or is at all relevant when we're talking about political takedowns - usually satisfies no one. To whit:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 11, 2015 21:52:42 GMT -5
In light of his looming departure from the post, which began with such debate over his suitability for it, it's worth taking a look back at Ron Klain's tenure and assessing how he performed. The Washington Post takes a stab:
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