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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 9:46:50 GMT -5
Please stop with the phony argument that III doesn't start freshmen when the situation calls for it. If the frosh are talented enough, smart enough and if there is a void to be filled then III will go ahead and put them in the starting lineup. Thanks for making my point. Absent a major void (and there isn't right now, unless you're writing off Cameron), the freshmen will wait their turn. How anyone can think that Mikael Hopkins - at least in the most recent iteration - isn't a "void" baffles me. Hope he proves me wrong and can develop a consistent free throw line zone-busting jumper, avoid fouling at a high rate, and be a strong finisher on what should be (I'm daydreaming so allow me) a more up-tempo Hoya team. |
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 5, 2014 9:50:16 GMT -5
Hello to my friends and people who totally ignore me!!!
They start the first game and maybe a few more. How much they play and who works his way into the lineup ( sooner or later) TBD quickly
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Post by calhoya on Oct 5, 2014 9:57:23 GMT -5
Hello to my friends and people who totally ignore me!!! They start the first game and maybe a few more. How much they play and who works his way into the lineup ( sooner or later) TBD quickly Smith Hopkins Bowen DSR Trawick Seems right to me with the first subs being Peak and Copeland for Bowen and Smith and moving Hopkins to center. The key is not to allow Smith to become a liability on the floor due to conditioning issues. White and Cameron should get plenty of time too. I think that a 9 man rotation with occasional appearances by Tre and Hayes is realistic. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 5, 2014 11:38:01 GMT -5
Unless Bowen has developed much greater consistency--and I mean in every facet of his game--I don't see him as a number one option. Bowen's athleticism is undisputed; however, he makes some mental lapses and tentative style of play that makes me nervous. He reminds me of Wingate back in the 80s, but lacking Wingate's poise and consistency.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 5, 2014 11:55:11 GMT -5
Unless Bowen has developed much greater consistency--and I mean in every facet of his game--I don't see him as a number one option. Bowen's athleticism is undisputed; however, he makes some mental lapses and tentative style of play that makes me nervous. He reminds me of Wingate back in the 80s, but lacking Wingate's SKILLS, poise and consistency. Fixed it for you.. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 5, 2014 15:06:59 GMT -5
Really?! Have you seen evidence of a new and improved AB? Don't get me wrong, I love AB, ruited for him, and really wants to see him do well.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 5, 2014 16:27:28 GMT -5
Did I really just heard someone else make the MJ comparison in reference to LJ. When I first said it I was taken to task. I am not going to let this board forget it either. Let's roll, Hoyas! Btw, I was the first poster to say that JT3 has never had a player like LJ Peak.  |
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Post by prhoya on Oct 5, 2014 17:06:20 GMT -5
I'm pumped that this discussion has included so many possibilities for a starting line-up. To me it means that we have what looks like and I believe is good/great depth, a luxury that we haven't had recently.
A couple of posters mentioned the need to improve our defense from last year and I agree. If we look at the roster, White might be the best defender that no one is talking about. Remember that White replaced Okafor in high school when Okafor got into foul trouble. Now, I'm not suggesting that he can be a regular substitute at C and I don't think we need him to be with Smith, Hops and Hayes. What he has shown is the ability to guard from the 1 to the 5 against the best high school competition. So, he might find himself looking at starter minutes because of his size and defensive/offensive versatility.
My take on the starting line-up for our first game is DSR-Jabril-Copeland-Hopkins-Smith. There are too many variables from here to March to say what it will look like then. Jabril needs to play like post-injury Jabril to keep his minutes. I think he will surprise this year.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 5, 2014 18:05:50 GMT -5
Did I really just heard someone else make the MJ comparison in reference to LJ. When I first said it I was taken to task. I am not going to let this board forget it either. Let's roll, Hoyas! Btw, I was the first poster to say that JT3 has never had a player like LJ Peak. We may have to get our moderator involved here to check the records. MODERATOR! |
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Post by prhoya on Oct 5, 2014 18:56:47 GMT -5
Btw, I was the first poster to say that JT3 has never had a player like LJ Peak. We may have to get our moderator involved here to check the records. MODERATOR! MGS, I never compared him to MJ, so that one is settled. |
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 5, 2014 19:07:52 GMT -5
I wonder if the opposing team might for a change dictate the lineup. In the past, there have not been enough great players to change who started. I wonder if the opposing team plays 3 guards if we will start DSR, Trawick and Peak while if the opposing team has a taller wing DSR, Trawick and Copeland or White depending on mastery of defense wins out!
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Post by FLHoya on Oct 5, 2014 19:35:08 GMT -5
Btw, I was the first poster to say that JT3 has never had a player like LJ Peak. We may have to get our moderator involved here to check the records. MODERATOR! Doesn't count unless you claim you were attacked for it.  |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 5, 2014 19:36:59 GMT -5
I'm pumped that this discussion has included so many possibilities for a starting line-up. To me it means that we have what looks like and I believe is good/great depth, a luxury that we haven't had recently. A couple of posters mentioned the need to improve our defense from last year and I agree. If we look at the roster, White might be the best defender that no one is talking about. Remember that White replaced Okafor in high school when Okafor got into foul trouble. Now, I'm not suggesting that he can be a regular substitute at C and I don't think we need him to be with Smith, Hops and Hayes. What he has shown is the ability to guard from the 1 to the 5 against the best high school competition. So, he might find himself looking at starter minutes because of his size and defensive/offensive versatility. My take on the starting line-up for our first game is DSR-Jabril-Copeland-Hopkins-Smith. There are too many variables from here to March to say what it will look like then. Jabril needs to play like post-injury Jabril to keep his minutes. I think he will surprise this year. Before Kenner and the explosion of LJ Peak, I was fairly convinced White would start simply because I think he's going to be a great team defender. It still could happen, but if he doesn't because III can't keep Peak or someone else off the court, that's good, too. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 5, 2014 19:38:31 GMT -5
We may have to get our moderator involved here to check the records. MODERATOR! MGS, I never compared him to MJ, so that one is settled. No, MGS still has the lock on crazy. (And if you're wondering why that other post doesn't get crazy, it's because the person hedged immensely that they didn't mean greatest-of-all-time Jordan but rather just a similar skillset to a freshman Jordan. I'm not sure he's right about that, but that's a reasonable statement.) |
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Post by tashoya on Oct 5, 2014 20:23:13 GMT -5
Thank you for the links Dan. Much appreciated. |
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Post by tashoya on Oct 5, 2014 20:27:51 GMT -5
I'm pumped that this discussion has included so many possibilities for a starting line-up. To me it means that we have what looks like and I believe is good/great depth, a luxury that we haven't had recently. A couple of posters mentioned the need to improve our defense from last year and I agree. If we look at the roster, White might be the best defender that no one is talking about. Remember that White replaced Okafor in high school when Okafor got into foul trouble. Now, I'm not suggesting that he can be a regular substitute at C and I don't think we need him to be with Smith, Hops and Hayes. What he has shown is the ability to guard from the 1 to the 5 against the best high school competition. So, he might find himself looking at starter minutes because of his size and defensive/offensive versatility. My take on the starting line-up for our first game is DSR-Jabril-Copeland-Hopkins-Smith. There are too many variables from here to March to say what it will look like then. Jabril needs to play like post-injury Jabril to keep his minutes. I think he will surprise this year. Great post. And I'm with you on the excitement part due to having some depth and possibilities as a result. Add to that, the ability to do some offense/defense substitutions as well. I'm pumped for this year. |
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Post by sleepy on Oct 5, 2014 21:21:02 GMT -5
Unless Bowen has developed much greater consistency--and I mean in every facet of his game--I don't see him as a number one option. Bowen's athleticism is undisputed; however, he makes some mental lapses and tentative style of play that makes me nervous. He reminds me of Wingate back in the 80s, but lacking Wingate's poise and consistency. What... how can you even begin to use Wingate in any kind of comparison. Wingate had a handle,could shoot had one of the best bank shots in the game at the time. He was a better on ball and off ball defender than perhaps anyone guard who went through the program. clearly a top 5 defensive player in the programs history. AB is a better athlete but there is no other close comparison. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 5, 2014 22:36:38 GMT -5
I love this great early season controversy YUP cant make up our minds YES hmmmmmm means great possiblities AND depth OH MY yup but as some said WHO CAN PLAY D THATS THE KEY hmmm like that D's THE KEY hmmm D"S the key.. GO HOYAS the newbies WILL be something might be tough in the bahamas but OH MY just you wait here we go... excited SOON let the games begin. well lets Pracitce get going at least BABY STEPS>
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Oct 6, 2014 12:02:11 GMT -5
JTIII has not been afraid to start impact freshman in the past. Therefore, I don't believe he will feel compelled to start Bowen over Peak or Hopkins over Copeland/White in game 1 based on seniority.
My guess:
Smith
Hopkins
Peak
Brilly
DSR
I think Hopkins very well could be displaced by Copeland/White in the starting lineup on Day 1 also, depending on how well they've performed in practice.
I think players like Hopkins and Bowen can be very effective role players from the bench on a good team. Bowen in particular, is a very nice defensive substitution when we want to ratchet up the press and get longer and more athletic in spurts. Hopkins, too, could shine in a 12-15 minute role spelling Smith and playing off good post passers.
Plus, I don't think JTIII has any designs for increasing the roles for Hopkins and Bowen, especially since he probably had to sell Georgetown to incoming freshmen like Copeland, White, and Peak with the promise of immediate playing time. Thus, I'd look for Peak and Copeland/White to take starting roles very early, if not on Day 1.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 6, 2014 13:03:59 GMT -5
Bowen will probably be at his most effective in small bunches, where we can expend the max amount of energy on defense, making hard cuts and on the offensive boards without any concern for getting tired. His disruption and penchant for forcing turnovers is his strongest asset, followed closely by his athleticism finishing and offensive rebounding. Getting a regular, but regulated amount of time will likely make him more effective especially since it won't force him to be something he's not/
Hopkins needs to be ready to play backup to Smith, for the obvious reasons. Starting him actually puts us in a bad spot (unless Hayes is ready to take on 15+ minutes) as Hopkins absolutely needs to stay out of early foul trouble. If Hopkins NEEDS to be on the court for 7-10 minutes a half when Smith is in foul trouble or winded, we CAN'T have him picking up early fouls while Smith is on the court. If he's in foul trouble, and Smith is winded/in foul trouble, who plays the those 10 minutes?
Hopkins needs to be on the bench while Smith starts each half simply so that he understands how aggressive to play when he goes in. And he needs to save his fouls.
This need is lessened if Hayes is really ready, but I suspect there will be some matchups we don't want Hayes anywhere near.
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