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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 10:03:54 GMT -5
With DSR and Jabril obvious(?) choices for 1-2 in minutes this year, who do you think will be #3?
NO EXPLANATIONS REQUIRED (or wanted). Just the name of the ONE guy you think will be 3rd in total minutes played by the end of the year. Factor in that freshman might not play as much early in the year or anything else, if you like -- but don't over-argue it in the response.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 17, 2014 10:12:52 GMT -5
With DSR and Jabril obvious(?) choices for 1-2 in minutes this year, who do you think will be #3? NO EXPLANATIONS REQUIRED (or wanted). Just the name of the ONE guy you think will be 3rd in total minutes played by the end of the year. Factor in that freshman might not play as much early in the year or anything else, if you like -- but don't over-argue it in the response. IC (short enough?)
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Post by hoyabinx on Sept 17, 2014 10:17:51 GMT -5
Hopkins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 10:19:00 GMT -5
Close.
Forgot mine.
Aaron Bowen.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 17, 2014 10:39:28 GMT -5
It's probably Isaac Copeland, but for s and giggles, I'm going to say Josh Smith.
Smith played almost as many mpg as Hopkins and Bowen last year (the two highest returning mpg). But Hopkins was buoyed by Smith's ineligibility and Bowen's and Hopkins' time will be challenged more but the frosh. Smith is lighter and will likely put up 25 mpg this year. If Copeland isn't at an Otto Porter level immediately, he may end up at slightly below that.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2014 11:10:14 GMT -5
I'm with you SF, I'll say Josh Smith.
(I'm going to break your no discussion rule too!) He seems like he has come back in shape and is ready to get to work. DSR is leading this team and has the work ethic to keep him in shape and even improve. From his comments, he has realized that this is his last year to make it into the league (without overseas or getting dragged down into the D-league). The kid was a McDAA in HS and could play both sides of the court, if he comes in motivated and ready to play, I don't think JTIII will be able to keep him off the court for Hayes very much.
As far as everyone else, too much clutter between the 2-4 positions. In fact, I could see Josh playing about the same or slightly more minutes then Jabril. Even though DSR, Jabril, Smith, and even Hopkins will be better this year, I hope that JTIII focuses our depth and utilizes the strengths of all possible lineups. We have a lot of game ready players this year and should have quality depth at least 10 deep (not including Campbell or Mourning).
Geez, when is Midnight Madness!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 17, 2014 11:12:20 GMT -5
Peak.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 17, 2014 11:38:29 GMT -5
Good question. Either Ike or LJ. I'll go with Ike because I think it's going to take a few games before 3 trusts LJ
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 17, 2014 12:17:24 GMT -5
Hopkins and I don't think it will be very close. Also, I'll take the under on Josh Smith averaging 25 mpg.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2014 12:37:37 GMT -5
>30 minutes 1. DSR 2. Trawick ---------- 15-20 minutes (w/foul trouble) 3. Smith 4. Hopkins 5. Bowen ---------- 10-15 minutes 6. Cameron 7-9. Copeland, Peak, Campbell ------------ 5 minutes 10-11. Hayes, White ------------ <1 min, with a big lead 12-13. Allen, Mourning 14. Williams
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 17, 2014 12:38:37 GMT -5
I really hope that Hopkins sees major minutes. Hopefully the refs will not be so absurd about fouls this season. If they are, III should get a couple of technicals. That garbage cannot be allowed to stand.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 17, 2014 12:40:03 GMT -5
DFW, I foresee Hayes and White getting more than five minutes a game. We shall see.
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Post by dungeon ball on Sept 17, 2014 12:41:59 GMT -5
Peak. We lost a ton of scoring with Markel graduating that we're gonna have to pick up somewhere, and I think LJ is best equipped to do that
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 17, 2014 12:43:58 GMT -5
I would tend to agree that Hopkins will likely get a fair amount of minutes - at least at the start of the season - but unless he shows substantial off-season improvement, I think White and Copeland need to be given a shot instead. Obviously, Hopkins is likely to be the main backup to Smith (something White & Copeland will not do), but I really do not want to see him getting many minutes at SF or PF unless he's improved. I would venture to bet that there's a high likelihood either White or Copeland are better than Hopkins offensively this year.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 17, 2014 12:44:13 GMT -5
Peak. We lost a ton of scoring with Markel graduating that we're gonna have to pick up somewhere, and I think LJ is best equipped to do that Agreed, but I think its going to be a few guys who take that on. Jabril is also on the short list....wouldn't be surprised to up his scoring to 14-15 ppg.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 17, 2014 15:19:54 GMT -5
>30 minutes 1. DSR 2. Trawick ---------- 15-20 minutes (w/foul trouble) 3. Smith 4. Hopkins 5. Bowen ---------- 10-15 minutes 6. Cameron 7-9. Copeland, Peak, Campbell ------------ 5 minutes 10-11. Hayes, White ------------ <1 min, with a big lead 12-13. Allen, Mourning 14. Williams IMO, DSR over 30 minutes. Isaac (too good) and Trawick (b/c fouls) are in the 20-30 minute-tier that's missing. White (too good) and Bowen at 10-15 mins (b/c too much talent in his position). Hayes, Cameron at 5 to 10 minutes. Campbell at 5 minutes. Peak, Hops and Smith agree.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 17, 2014 15:36:14 GMT -5
>30 minutes 1. DSR 2. Trawick ---------- 15-20 minutes (w/foul trouble) 3. Smith 4. Hopkins 5. Bowen ---------- 10-15 minutes 6. Cameron 7-9. Copeland, Peak, Campbell ------------ 5 minutes 10-11. Hayes, White ------------ <1 min, with a big lead 12-13. Allen, Mourning 14. Williams IMO, DSR over 30 minutes. Isaac (too good) and Trawick (b/c fouls) are in the 20-30 minute-tier that's missing. White (too good) and Bowen at 10-15 mins (b/c too much talent in his position). Hayes, Cameron at 5 to 10 minutes. Campbell at 5 minutes. Peak, Hops and Smith agree. Agree with everything except I might flip flop Peak and White. Peak is going to play a lot (too good and too ready).
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Post by whatmaroon on Sept 17, 2014 16:10:13 GMT -5
I'd like for it to be Joshua Smith, but I'll go with Hopkins.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 17, 2014 17:57:21 GMT -5
Have to admit I don’t envy III in trying to administer minutes for this crop of players but that’s why he gets the big bucks. If I could give advice that he would listen to it would be don’t try any foolishness with a short rotation unless he wants to risk losing a couple of guys for the following season.
First of all I think III may have to decide whether to redshirt Mourning. I am high on Trey’s potential as a scorer down the road, but as of now he may be the least ready to contribute of a group that also includes Copeland, Cameron, Hopkins and White. I worry that could lead to a wasted season on his part.
As for who should get the third most minutes (if DSR and Jabril end up taking the top two slots) I would go with Josh Smith at 25 minutes per. And, yes, I would prefer this even if Josh is in the best shape of his life and capable of playing 32 minutes a game. I want Josh as rested as possible. And I would like for him to be off the floor for about fifteen minutes per game in order for the Hoyas to play an aggressive man-to-man and press defense. Josh would only get in the way of that. When Josh in on the floor and if he is indeed much lighter on his feet than he was last season, then he should be getting a touch virtually every time the Hoyas are on offense. The team needs to take advantage of his abilities early and often for easier baskets and to get the other team in foul trouble for once. I trust Josh to make the right pass when the defense warrants it.
That being said even though I’m listing Josh as third in time I think his minutes should be roughly equal to Jabril’s. I think Jabril will set the tone this season but 25 minutes is all he needs, even if he is as improved as we saw after his return from his injury. There are just too many other talented wing/perimeter players on the roster for Jabril to swallow up any more time. I think he could average about 12 points a game in those minutes so long as he hits 35% or so from three.
Don’t want more than one player averaging 30 or more minutes and that one guy of course would be DSR. But even with him I wouldn’t go beyond 30. He can do his damage in that timespan especially if III picks up the pace and increases possessions for the team.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 18, 2014 11:19:40 GMT -5
Good points, MCI. I want guys with rested legs come March.
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