FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Sept 18, 2014 17:47:59 GMT -5
Seems likely. Openness and honesty is a hallmark of the Georgetown athletic department.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 18, 2014 21:41:28 GMT -5
Seems likely. Openness and honesty is a hallmark of the Georgetown athletic department. I mean, opacity is par for the course for the University period, not just the AD. On the other hand, things can change - the campus planning and facilities programming effort these days is infinitely more open, public, and responsive than it was when I showed up on campus. I don't know Sgarlata personally, but I feel like, if there's anyone who would lead a glasnost movement while at the helm of the football program, it would be a confirmed Georgetown lifer like him.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 18, 2014 22:36:44 GMT -5
Guys, I think you'd prefer not to hear anything honest from Healy, because for people who like football, you wouldn't like what you would hear.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 19, 2014 7:50:48 GMT -5
Guys, I think you'd prefer not to hear anything honest from Healy, because for people who like football, you wouldn't like what you would hear. I've never come across any "anti-football" animus coming from 2nd Healy (or 3rd or 4th, for that matter). Remember, Jack DeGioia played this sport here. Football is what basketball was in the 1960's: a program that works within the boundaries Georgetown sets for it and recruits the kind of players whose off-field conduct doesn't wake up college presidents in the middle of the night. No one is worried a quarterback is going to be shoplifting crab legs at a grocery store or cussing out students in the Leavey Center. That's not the M.O. of the program. In that sense, football is like baseball, rowing, lacrosse, or 20-odd sports other than basketball--GU doesn't "need" it but it's worth the investment put into it and the reward is a better campus experience for everyone. Strategically, it lacks direction. That's Georgetown's fault to some degree but it's more of an issue of the Patriot League's swerve on scholarships. It's like joining a country club and the rest of the members vote to triple the dues. You like the club, but it's not the club you joined. There are other clubs out there but those are decisions GU is not in a hurry over.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 19, 2014 22:05:28 GMT -5
Guys, I think you'd prefer not to hear anything honest from Healy, because for people who like football, you wouldn't like what you would hear. I've never come across any "anti-football" animus coming from 2nd Healy (or 3rd or 4th, for that matter). Remember, Jack DeGioia played this sport here. Football is what basketball was in the 1960's: a program that works within the boundaries Georgetown sets for it and recruits the kind of players whose off-field conduct doesn't wake up college presidents in the middle of the night. No one is worried a quarterback is going to be shoplifting crab legs at a grocery store or cussing out students in the Leavey Center. That's not the M.O. of the program. In that sense, football is like baseball, rowing, lacrosse, or 20-odd sports other than basketball--GU doesn't "need" it but it's worth the investment put into it and the reward is a better campus experience for everyone. Strategically, it lacks direction. That's Georgetown's fault to some degree but it's more of an issue of the Patriot League's swerve on scholarships. It's like joining a country club and the rest of the members vote to triple the dues. You like the club, but it's not the club you joined. There are other clubs out there but those are decisions GU is not in a hurry over. Easy on the assumptions there hoss. I never said anti-Georgetown. In fact, I never said anything. I think apathy is the status quo, and the program will go away before any significant investment is made by Healy 2.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 19, 2014 22:29:59 GMT -5
There is surely *some* anti-football animus out there - not so much from Healy 2, but from the faculty and cadre of lifer staff. On the other hand, that animus is mostly directed toward the college football enterprise as a whole; Georgetown's manifestation of it is pretty low-footprint and inoffensive, as such things go. There's several other teams on campus that have worse reputations from a 'problem children' standpoint. On the other hand, that reflexive feeling toward football does mean that any of the proposals for rapid program enhancement floated around these parts on occasion are all non-starters.
DFW is broadly correct - in many sustainment respects, the football program is not much different from half of the sports at Georgetown. That only seems like "apathy" and "neglect" because it is not a position within the athletics pecking order that football teams typically find themselves in. They are by and large too big, too expensive, too prominent to get kept on a low simmer, resource-wise. In that respect, the "Georgetown Model" is certainly an unusual one.
The program won't go away because it's primary goal and measure of success is simply to exist; it is something of a self-licking ice cream cone in that way. To achieve any sort of on-field success beyond that low bar, however, will - I think - require greater transparency about said Model.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 22, 2014 22:41:05 GMT -5
In that sense, football is like baseball, rowing, lacrosse, or 20-odd sports other than basketball-- GU doesn't "need" it but it's worth the investment put into it and the reward is a better campus experience for everyone.Not to Edited on the parade here - I really truly happy that the team beat Brown handily to even their record at 2-2, and the 50th anniversary festivities looked great. However, in quoting your words, DFW - how is it worth the investment put into it? What measurable data is there to say that? You keep stating that GU Football is relatively well-funded compared to our other sports - so where are the results? And where have they been for the last 10-15 years? Secondly, how is it a better campus experience for everyone? I can see it being a better experience for the players, who are able to get a top notch education and play a sport that they love, but for the rest of the campus? One could argue the program as it is currently structured creates a worse campus experience because many students and alums view it (and the unfinished state of the MSF) as an embarrassment for an elite university like Georgetown. I know these are harsh words, but I think this is how the majority of Georgetown alums feel about the football program. And hell, I'm a flag-waving, GU-loving, follow the basketball team like it's my religion alum who is president of his regional club in San Francisco. And sadly, I must admit I have fallen into the majority on this issue. That said, I hope I'm proven wrong and that football can succeed at Georgetown, I just haven't really seen it yet in my 10+ years affiliated with the University. Saturday's game was a good sign though - I hope it's just not a blip (I've seen many positive blips in the past), and that they can build on it against Colgate and in future games.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 5, 2015 13:36:38 GMT -5
Here's what the man at the top has to say on the topic. I've bolded the part that makes the point I've made many times - there is no institutional will for scholarship football at Georgetown.
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Post by TC on Oct 5, 2015 13:51:12 GMT -5
Good answer and that was an outstanding interview.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 27, 2016 12:19:35 GMT -5
Some additional insight on what Georgetown's overall athletics model looks like comes from Lee Reed's last blast email:
Impressive growth... but not all that much to spread around as many sports as Georgetown maintains...
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