Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 10, 2014 16:23:30 GMT -5
Georgetown came in with a tie for 21st with Emory this year.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 11, 2014 15:33:55 GMT -5
Wash U way overrated at #14. GU should come in at #16 over Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Cal and Wash U. Maybe, even #15 over Hopkins.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 12, 2014 15:06:55 GMT -5
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 12, 2014 15:29:44 GMT -5
Wash U way overrated at #14. GU should come in at #16 over Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Cal and Wash U. Maybe, even #15 over Hopkins. Look we're all homers here...but while I agree with Vanderbilt, Rice, ND and Washington....I can't get upset about Cal Berkeley or Hopkins which in so many ways are more world-class as institutions in the ways that matter than GU (read: quantifiable excellence in the natural sciences and many decades track record of ground-breaking hard science research.) I'd put both schools ahead of Cornell and Brown for that matter. If Cal were private it would be well within top 10. To smart high school students in California Cal and Standford have long been considered very nearly equals. If I were a Carnegie alum I might well think we're over-rated. USC and BC are egregiously over-rated. Have been for a while. I've attended classes and have family history at both BC and UC San Diego and BC doesn't belong in the same category as UCSD, to say nothing of being ranked above it. Its not in my interest to say so but public schools seem roundly to be jobbed by US News. (UVA, UCLA, Texas, Mich, UCSD, even UNC seem underrated.) |
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Post by Just Cos on Sept 13, 2014 4:20:53 GMT -5
No frustration. Ask the question a different way and you get a different answer. College is hard enough to get into these days as it is. The key is who gets in and that is becoming harder everyday with the college inflation rate.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 13, 2014 5:39:21 GMT -5
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 22, 2014 14:38:21 GMT -5
Wait....Ensigns make an average of $80k per year for first five years as the most junior officers in the Navy?
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 22, 2014 16:16:14 GMT -5
Wait....Ensigns make an average of $80k per year for first five years as the most junior officers in the Navy? The survey suggest a median (not average -half make more, half make less) salary of $80,000 over the first five years. You'd have to dig deep into the survey's methodology but being a former Navy officer in the 1980s, I recall that the tax free portion of my compensation package, BAQ, now called BAH and BAS (quarters and subsistence when the Navy could not house me on base) probably boosted my salary by 30% because I was stationed in a high cost area (DC). And I assume you will be promoted to LT by your 5th year in the service with the concomitant increase in base pay. For example, in DC for 2014, an Ensign w/o dependents receives $1896 per month for housing, and $2205 w/ dependents and it is tax free. 2015 base pay - an Ensign with over 4 years service will be paid $3692 per month. A LT over 3 years will make $5479 per month w/BAH of $2343 per month w/o dependents. BAS around $250 per month. Additionally, I am guessing the survey takes into account the other military benefits such as 100% health care, etc.. So taking a WAG, I can see that the median salary could be $80,000 over five years www.defensetravel.dod.mil/pdcgi/bah/bahsrch.cgiwww.navycs.com/charts/2015-military-pay-chart.html |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 22, 2014 18:13:44 GMT -5
Wait....Ensigns make an average of $80k per year for first five years as the most junior officers in the Navy? In addition to what SSHoya said, keep in mind that pretty much everyone is promoted from Ensign (O-1) to LTJG (O-2) when they hit 2 years in the service. Promotion to full Lieutenant (O-3) usually comes when you hit 4 years time in service, so someone who has been in for 5 years will have spent 2 years at Ensign pay, 2 years at Lieutenant, Junior Grade, and 1 year as a Lieutenant. |
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 23, 2014 6:41:30 GMT -5
Wait....Ensigns make an average of $80k per year for first five years as the most junior officers in the Navy? In addition to what SSHoya said, keep in mind that pretty much everyone is promoted from Ensign (O-1) to LTJG (O-2) when they hit 2 years in the service. Promotion to full Lieutenant (O-3) usually comes when you hit 4 years time in service, so someone who has been in for 5 years will have spent 2 years at Ensign pay, 2 years at Lieutenant, Junior Grade, and 1 year as a Lieutenant. Correct, virtually 100% are promoted to 0-2, and less than 5% fail of selection to 0-3. usmilitary.about.com/od/navypromotions/l/blofficerprom.htm |
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 23, 2014 11:08:45 GMT -5
Doesn't that more or less require LTJGs or even first year LTs to be making $100K+ anyway for the 5 year mean to be near $80K? You guys clearly know more about this than I do so I'm certainly taking your word for it, but its far higher than I thought junir officers make. (Not more than I think they SHOULD make mind you.) I can certainly see how expensive training, housing, full benefits etc can mean that's what the US govt is PAYING to employ these guys...but that's different than salary. It looks to me like possibly the 5th year guys may be making $80 something per year. Something still seems a bit off as a 5 year mean. That kind of looks like the 5 year mean of someone out of a top 50 law school. But then I never was a math guy.
Anyway, thanks guys. Good to hear.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 23, 2014 19:39:03 GMT -5
Doesn't that more or less require LTJGs or even first year LTs to be making $100K+ anyway for the 5 year mean to be near $80K? You guys clearly know more about this than I do so I'm certainly taking your word for it, but its far higher than I thought junir officers make. (Not more than I think they SHOULD make mind you.) I can certainly see how expensive training, housing, full benefits etc can mean that's what the US govt is PAYING to employ these guys...but that's different than salary. It looks to me like possibly the 5th year guys may be making $80 something per year. Something still seems a bit off as a 5 year mean. That kind of looks like the 5 year mean of someone out of a top 50 law school. But then I never was a math guy. Anyway, thanks guys. Good to hear. A first year LT will make aroud $88k his first year as a LT, exclusive of the value of any other benefits such as health care. Similarly, a "first year LTJG (0-2) will make around $72k as an LTJG with over 2. Right out of the USNA, an 0-1 would make around $60K. While neither the LTJG or LT pay is near $100k as you posit, depending upon the methodology used to determine pay, it is not out of the realm of possibility that the 5-year median is $80k. My back of the envelope calculations may be skewed a bit since I am using BAH from a high cost area (DC) but you'd also have to factor in that BAH and BAS are tax free, and I also used BAH for officers w/o dependents. Additionally, those in flight school/aviataion are going to receive flight incentive pay, surface warfare officers. submariners may be elgibile for sea duty incentive pay and submarine duty incentive pay, which may add up to $2k per year. I never was a math guy either, but the 5-year $80k median pay seems plausible. After I left the Navy, I worked for the feds as a GS employee and every year I'd receive a statement of pay and compensation which was typically several thousands of dollars more than my actual salary, since HR calculated in the value of the govt contribution to my health insurane premiums, govt' contribution to my pension etc. If the methodology for the pay survey was similar its even more likely that the five-year $80k median salary for USNA grads is close to the mark, especially if those conducting the survey went to the PAO at the Navy for the figures -- don't want to be seen skimping on pay and benefits of our guys and gals in the service!! |
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Post by thebin on Sept 23, 2014 20:32:12 GMT -5
Glad to hear it. They certainly earn it. Thanks for the info.
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