nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Aug 28, 2014 15:43:00 GMT -5
Couldn't possibly agree more nychoya3. It really is the single lowest form of "political debate" when people get angry when the Other Team's president if they have the nerve to ever relax or travel as if he were an important man. When my guy is in Office the President is the MOst Powerful Man in the World and demanding of the utmost Respect for his Office. When the other guy gets a turn? All of the sudden we expect him to act like the head of a condo association and live like a common idiot. So pathetic. Wait...there might be one level more childish....Using insincere or made-up names whether "Barry" or "Bu Editedler." And this excuses his arrogant dismissal of Romney's Russia point how? You really do not wish to debate the manner I which the Obamas have been grabbing with both hands every perk and expensive junket they can get their hands on do you? Say what you will about Republican Presidents, none of them ever freeloaded at taxpayer expense like this crowd. So he was wrong on Russia years before they invaded the Ukraine, I'm failing to see how this is a critical problem. If we wanted Miss Cleo as president then we should vote in the physic party. Every candidate badly predicts how certain things will turn out, mostly because it's impossible to control the actions of other people.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 28, 2014 15:57:48 GMT -5
It wasn't simply the wrong prediction. It was the cavalier too cool for the room, late night comic wannabe empty suit manner in which he dismissed a very real threat.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Aug 28, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -5
"You really do not wish to debate the manner I which the Obamas have been grabbing with both hands every perk and expensive junket they can get their hands on do you?
Say what you will about Republican Presidents, none of them ever freeloaded at taxpayer expense like this crowd."
Except that's literally just made up. I've seen this talking point before and it is exactly the kind of thing that makes people cringe a bit in the context of all of a sudden our first black president is an arrogant freeloader (I mean this completely sincerely, I'm not accusing and don't think race plays a roll at all for you, but on many message boards that claim goes hand in hand with food stamp president, Michelle Obama's butt, Obama being a thug, etc...).
But back to the actual reality behind all this, is Russia now some existential threat to the United States?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 28, 2014 16:26:51 GMT -5
"You really do not wish to debate the manner I which the Obamas have been grabbing with both hands every perk and expensive junket they can get their hands on do you? Say what you will about Republican Presidents, none of them ever freeloaded at taxpayer expense like this crowd." Except that's literally just made up. I've seen this talking point before and it is exactly the kind of thing that makes people cringe a bit in the context of all of a sudden our first black president is an arrogant freeloader (I mean this completely sincerely, I'm not accusing and don't think race plays a roll at all for you, but on many message boards that claim goes hand in hand with food stamp president, Michelle Obama's butt, Obama being a thug, etc...). But back to the actual reality behind all this, is Russia now some existential threat to the United States? Well, after they're done taking the parts of Ukraine they're interested in, what happens when Russia, having received no real push back from their actions in Ukraine, decides to run the same playbook on Estonia, a member of NATO?
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Aug 28, 2014 16:33:50 GMT -5
Is there concern that this isn't so much just about Crimea/Ukraine but part of a larger move to expand Russia by annexing other countries?
Serious question.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 28, 2014 16:50:09 GMT -5
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 28, 2014 17:11:46 GMT -5
As the resident Russian, I feel like I have to say something... Obama was right that the notion of Russia as the United States "top geopolitical foe" is laughable and a throwback to the Cold War era. The US GDP is 8x larger than Russia's; the U.S. spends 7x what Russia does on its military and leads a formidable alliance of other robust states (close U.S. allies Britain, France, and Germany together spent twice as much as Russia, to say nothing of the rest of NATO), while Russia has a handful of lackey regimes like Belarus in its corner. As the immigration debate raging in this country makes clear, people the world over want to come to America. In the Motherland, on the other hand... Russians are leaving Russia in larger numbers than before, according to the official figures - and the official figures are likely much lower than reality. So no, Russia is not anything resembling a top geopolitical foe. An annoyance, sure; an opponent attempting to counter U.S. interests, yeah; a threat to regional political stability and security, by all means. But it is mostly a threat to itself, at present, and certainly not to the U.S. Putin has dug himself into a very deep hole and is furiously digging deeper to try to get out. What you are seeing now is not a show of Russian strength but incontrovertible evidence of its weakness.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Aug 29, 2014 0:57:01 GMT -5
Your arguments would be so much better if you didn't add the extra digs that take away from your point...Barry golfing, looting during riots, etc. Those extra points make you look partisan and part of the machine while the core of your post has some merit worth debating.
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 29, 2014 9:56:53 GMT -5
Your arguments would be so much better if you didn't add the extra digs that take away from your point...Barry golfing, looting during riots, etc. Those extra points make you look partisan and part of the machine while the core of your post has some merit worth debating. I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. Exactly what is "the core of [his] post" that has some merit worth debating? He's complaining about a one-liner from a debate two years ago that he's taken completely out of context. You give him way too much credit. The "extra digs" are his point and the core of his post, not some sideshow that muddles an otherwise interesting argument.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 29, 2014 11:56:48 GMT -5
Your arguments would be so much better if you didn't add the extra digs that take away from your point...Barry golfing, looting during riots, etc. Those extra points make you look partisan and part of the machine while the core of your post has some merit worth debating. I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. Exactly what is "the core of [his] post" that has some merit worth debating? He's complaining about a one-liner from a debate two years ago that he's taken completely out of context. You give him way too much credit. The "extra digs" are his point and the core of his post, not some sideshow that muddles an otherwise interesting argument. Seldom right and wrong again. The core of the post is that our President is very cool, very glib and usually very wrong. His "one liner" is his basic approach to his job. On a separate note, his revelation that he has no strategy against ISIS was remarkably candid, and equally deflating.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 27, 2014 9:39:22 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 27, 2014 10:18:55 GMT -5
Thank goodness he is smart enough to see how wrong he was as a candidate...
More importantly, he has established what he promised: the most transparent administration in history. The transparency of his situational ethics and occasional (very occasional) adherence to law is staggering.
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