JB5
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Post by JB5 on Aug 27, 2014 7:33:12 GMT -5
Since this is a Georgetown board, shouldn't we be discussing who's been the best defensive player of JT3's time?
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Aug 27, 2014 8:01:08 GMT -5
NRC..having watched that game in person, that is probably the reason I voted Wallace number 1. That is the least I can do for the man! BTW...if we had a vote for best clutch shooter, who might miss his first ten shots before hitting the big one,,,,we can go for Jessie Sapp.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 27, 2014 10:03:44 GMT -5
here is 2 players that everyone may be forgetting,ashanti cook and daryl owens.can someone please find there stats? owens seemed to always hit 3,s and cook. thanks. go gu. A quick and cursory review of their stats shows that Cook, while an excellent shooter, is not in the same class as the others being discussed. An argument can be made for Owens. He was a sniper, taking more threes than twos for his career. He shot great from two, 58.8%, and really well from three, 38.7% (43.7% his second yr) during his time at Georgetown.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 27, 2014 20:20:02 GMT -5
DSR's first two seasons compare very closely and favorably to Juan Williams of Maryland fame. It appears I'm on a roll with my errors. I could have sworn I wrote Juan Dixon but instead I was informed that I ended up comparing DSR to a well-known political commentator. Come back tomorrow when I'm sure I'll list Bradley Hayes as Shawn Bradley.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 27, 2014 20:53:12 GMT -5
DSR's first two seasons compare very closely and favorably to Juan Williams of Maryland fame. It appears I'm on a roll with my errors. I could have sworn I wrote Juan Dixon but instead I was informed that I ended up comparing DSR to a well-known political commentator. Come back tomorrow when I'm sure I'll list Bradley Hayes as Shawn Bradley. Well, the Hayes/Bradley comparison is about as accurate as the DSR/Williams one.
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Post by bmartin on Aug 27, 2014 22:00:33 GMT -5
Besides the threes, Wallace also hit a lot of clutch free throws to close out close wins in 2007 and 2008. Freeman had similar stats overall but he has to be to discounted for so many poor postseason games. Hollis had a higher 3-pt percentage but missed too many free throws for a great shooter.
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Post by thebin on Aug 28, 2014 11:52:59 GMT -5
JWall.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 28, 2014 14:56:50 GMT -5
Until someone passes him, it is clearly JWall, taking into account % makes, volume, team success, pressure, spot light, big games, etc.
Plus, he hit the biggest shot of JTIII's tenure (UNC game Elite 8). Dagger in the biggest of pressure cooker situations.
He was the best in the JTIII era until someone passes him. DSR could, I suppose, but he has a lot of work to do.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 28, 2014 14:59:29 GMT -5
Wasn't Roy 100% from 3?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 28, 2014 15:07:07 GMT -5
Wasn't Roy 100% from 3? 3 for 3.
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Post by emkmd on Aug 28, 2014 15:11:30 GMT -5
By the numbers clearly Wallace is the man. However, Freeman had great effortless form on his shot. I expected every one of his shots to go in. Wallace had that high arc which sometimes made it more surprising when he made a three.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 28, 2014 20:19:57 GMT -5
By the numbers clearly Wallace is the man. However, Freeman had great effortless form on his shot. I expected every one of his shots to go in. Wallace had that high arc which sometimes made it more surprising when he made a three. I found it more surprising when he missed them. Especially wide open. Dude was money.
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 28, 2014 21:54:57 GMT -5
If some think we should discount Wallace's shooting % since he rarely shot when not open, does that imply we should add something to Jeff Green's since he was always the focal point of the opposing D? I am surprised no one has mentioned how he went from star to superstar with all those hyper-clutch, game-winning shots like the impossible step through two (three?) defenders to score the game ending bucket v Vandy that got us to the Regional Final v UNC?
Besides, Jeff just hit a HUGE shot with his million dollar gift to GU. What a family. Jeff's mom was at every game and was the most popular player's mom I can remember. And his dad was also a great guy and boyhood friend of Craig "Big Sky" Shelton and Johnny "Ba Ba" Duren. That 2007 team was magical. Even Rivers and Macklin made contributions that year. Seeing Pat Jr get to the Final Four with his dad sitting in attendance? Priceless.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 28, 2014 22:15:07 GMT -5
If some think we should discount Wallace's shooting % since he rarely shot when not open, does that imply we should add something to Jeff Green's since he was always the focal point of the opposing D? I am surprised no one has mentioned how he went from star to superstar with all those hyper-clutch, game-winning shots like the impossible step through two (three?) defenders to score the game ending bucket v Vandy that got us to the Regional Final v UNC? Besides, Jeff just hit a HUGE shot with his million dollar gift to GU. What a family. Jeff's mom was at every game and was the most popular player's mom I can remember. And his dad was also a great guy and boyhood friend of Craig "Big Sky" Shelton and Johnny "Ba Ba" Duren. That 2007 team was magical. Even Rivers and Macklin made contributions that year. Seeing Pat Jr get to the Final Four with his dad sitting in attendance? Priceless. SirSaxa, fair points, all. But I don't picture only open threes for JWall. He was keyed on by defenders. But he did take mostly smart shots. Some were pressured but very rarely so much so as to call it a bad shot. Even the UNC game that I posted, he had a closer. He was incredibly good at knowing just how much space he'd need to make a decently contested shot for most not as well contested for him due to the arc on his jumper. Having said that, you're dead on about Jeff. No argument or quibble on that at all. While Jeff was knocked at times for being too passive, it's exactly the elevation in his play, and his play through traffic, that proved him worthy of his draft position (not that the FF didn't help). I wouldn't call him a better shooter than JWall. But he was as deadly in the clutch as anyone under JT3. JWall may not match him there but he's not far off. The three against UNC and the three free throws against Marquette cemented his legend. That may color some of our judgment (my own, clearly, included) but that kid was a heckuva pressure player.
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Post by Just Cos on Aug 29, 2014 0:16:58 GMT -5
Austin by a land slide and I hope DSR takes that title. His lapses are recorded but his shot was great from all aspects of the hardwood. Just wish his defense wasn't so bad.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 29, 2014 5:54:57 GMT -5
Wallace just over Freeman but if we're handicapping, what DSR did with Moses Lubekins in the front court last year was pretty remarkable. He could definitely move up the ranks.
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Post by bmartin on Aug 29, 2014 18:47:31 GMT -5
Looking at some of the Wallace moments in 2008 reminded me of the ridiculous defensive and offensive heroics during that Big East season:
Beat UConn on Hibbert 3 - trailed by 6 with 3+ minutes to play: 11-2 run to close out win (Wallace 3, Sapp 3, Ewing 2, Hibbert 3)
Beat Syracuse by 2 in OT - trailed by 7 with 4+ minutes in regulation: 9-2 run to tie in regulation; 4-2 OT (Sapp scored last 5 in regulation & first 2 in OT; Rivers great defense on Flynn at end of both regulation and OT)
Beat WVU by 1 on the road - trailed by 5 with 2:30 to play: 9-3 run to close out win (Sapp 3 with 7 seconds left; Ewing blocked Butler at the buzzer)
Beat Villanova by 2 on Wallace free throws with 1 second left; Nova cut our lead to 1, Wallace 3, but then they tied it and had the ball; Rivers forced Reynolds turnover, Stokes bumped Wallace out of bounds
Beat Marquette by 2 in OT - trailed by 7 with 6 minutes in regulation: 9-1 run to take lead, but then 4-8 to trail by 3; Wallace fouled on corner three at buzzer, hits 3 ft to go to OT; they scored 3 in OT then Wallace 3 started 6-0 run
Beat Louisville by 3 to clinch BE regular season - trailed by 1 with 2 minutes to play, then closed 5-1 to win on Summers 3 with 39 seconds left
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Aug 31, 2014 8:10:11 GMT -5
Wallace was absolutely deadly when he had a clean look from 3 and at the FT line. As mentioned, on top of the 3 against UNC in 07, he closed out a lot of games at the stripe. Freeman was similar, in that if left open, (as Bilas once said) "it's basically a layup". DSR could very well take the crown with two more years and presumably more open looks than last year.
For me though, I'm going with Otto as the best overall shooter under JTIII. It wasn't long into his freshman season before we realized his 15-18 ft. baseline jumper was automatic. By the end of the his freshman year he was a pretty deadly midrange shooter. While he didn't shoot the 3 well that year, boy did he improve his sophomore year to the tune of 42% from 3. And during his unconscious stretch late in the season, he knocked down more contested shots than anyone I can remember under JTIII. Didn't matter where he was on the floor or who has guarding him, it was going in. Career 55% from 2, 75% from the FT line. He gets my vote.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 31, 2014 9:55:29 GMT -5
Wallace was absolutely deadly when he had a clean look from 3 and at the FT line. As mentioned, on top of the 3 against UNC in 07, he closed out a lot of games at the stripe. Freeman was similar, in that if left open, (as Bilas once said) "it's basically a layup". DSR could very well take the crown with two more years and presumably more open looks than last year. For me though, I'm going with Otto as the best overall shooter under JTIII. It wasn't long into his freshman season before we realized his 15-18 ft. baseline jumper was automatic. By the end of the his freshman year he was a pretty deadly midrange shooter. While he didn't shoot the 3 well that year, boy did he improve his sophomore year to the tune of 42% from 3. And during his unconscious stretch late in the season, he knocked down more contested shots than anyone I can remember under JTIII. Didn't matter where he was on the floor or who has guarding him, it was going in. Career 55% from 2, 75% from the FT line. He gets my vote. This is pretty much my take as well with Free coming in second. Unfortunately Otto only has two seasons for us to judge him by but I'm certain if he had stuck around another season or two more people would lean towards him in this debate.
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Post by royski on Sept 15, 2014 17:27:44 GMT -5
Wallace and Freeman are the only ones in consideration imo, and I think it's probably Wallace.
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